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tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:31:00 - [1] Carebear - Someone who avoids any situation that may lead to a PVP confrontation. Well.. I've been trying this to some extent. Over the last 2 years i've flown about the eve universe killing, looting and generally being a *sshole. So, it was time for a change. I have not shot anyone for exactly 2 months, and instead spent time lvl4 mission whoring. The reason for my post is just to open eyes of anyone who is pure PVP based and wants to know about the gains to be had from this line of work. Playing I guess a couple of hours a day I've made around 3.5bill isk.... not alot I suppose and a figure that certainly could be achieved with some careful gate camping / ransoming. I have only had one loss and that was on first day of whoring when I met two carriers in my lvl4 system... but apart from that it's been a quiet grind up the sec levels to a point where I'm no longer a outlaw. It's a strange feeling.... I bumped into two gate campers the other day and I was willing them to attack me knowing that any average mission setup would BBQ them with the sentrys on my side. What I find hard to understand is when I was camping gates mission runners died in their 1000s, yet, with a average mission setup you should be ideally fitted to take out any wannabe gate camper... really, fight back mission runners, you have nothing to fear really. (unless outnumbered heavily) One more thing, these mission whoring carebears all harp on about how tough it is... it aint, lvl4 as it currently stands is a joke and anyone with half decent BS skills and a raven will have no trouble at all. Am I gonna continue this grind... no way, it's getting dull beyond belief, but it's served it's purpose of making isk, mending my sec and giving me a insight into another aspect of the game... ps: anyone wanna give me a HAC BPO so I can try manufacturing ? o/ Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:58:00 - [2] When I where doing my level 4 missions in Jel (you know Egghelende hehe), I have lost many ships including battleships at gatecamps there to your guys.. quite possible also to you Thing is that when I where there caught in gatecamps it was on my way from Jel to Egghelende I got ganked, not the other way around as instant bookmarks save you there. Also a very important thing is that usually gatecampers are not alone... 3-4 and even more sitting there in their battleships. So they sit there dealing exactly the damage you are not tanking because they think hey you might do serpentis mission, lets not shoot with ammo that deals that kind of damage right ? So you end up being completly wrong tanked. Now since I have switched system where I do missions and is now living in low sec I have learned more about how to survive and have not lost any combatships well one but that was more to my stupidity... the ships I have lost however have been ships I have lost while looting and ****. But there are systems where missionrunners do fight back and my corp have once been wardecced because we help out defending our missionsystems. I'm no pvp'er ... I hate shooting at people who have not really done anything against me, I did enjoy killing a pirate from Turby ... was also my very first confirmed kill, later I where in a group where we killed well he was negative sec... but aparently no pirate anyway THAT felt bad. I usually have no problem being in gangs of people doing pvp if it is organized... Oh well... suppose I'm a born carebear I actually likes the productionside of this game, I can be found sitting in a belt in my covetor mining my brains out.. or just trading... if I get bored of doing that I go and do some missions for a while.. or join anti-pirates in their job... BTW... don't need a HAC to try yourself on the manufacturing side of the game, I think it is more fun trying to compete on the tech 1 market where there is alot of competitions. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:01:00 - [3] Well I deffo now see the appeal of missions, and it seems almost purely isk driven, playing for the next reward, the next officer mod etc etc Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:09:00 - [4] tiller, if you or me do lvl 4 missions in a raven its a piece of cake but do not forget our roots... we have not always been the battlehardened ultracool ironballed cowboys that we are now. some people use something else than a raven, some ppl dont have the skills for a raven:-) do not underestimate the skills that you must have after 2 or more years training do also not underestimate that a well known outlaw like you will know the campers tactics better than a "carebear" - not to mention your decent pvp experience that carebears obviously lack. live and let live - enough fun for all of us in this wonderful game U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webhosting
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:15:00 - [5] Edited by: tiller on 28/08/2006 13:15:39 Originally by: zoolkhan tiller, if you or me do lvl 4 missions in a raven its a piece of cake but do not forget our roots... we have not always been the battlehardened ultracool ironballed cowboys that we are now. some people use something else than a raven, some ppl dont have the skills for a raven:-) do not underestimate the skills that you must have after 2 or more years training do also not underestimate that a well known outlaw like you will know the campers tactics better than a "carebear" - not to mention your decent pvp experience that carebears obviously lack. live and let live - enough fun for all of us in this wonderful game It's been a refreshing change to experience another side of the game. Now where di d I park my barge Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Verone	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:24:00 - [6] Originally by: tiller It's been a refreshing change to experience another side of the game. Now where did I park my barge !!111one!11 BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Verone Originally by: tiller It's been a refreshing change to experience another side of the game. Now where did I park my barge !!111one!11 We all saw the pilgrim vid, k?
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Verone Originally by: tiller It's been a refreshing change to experience another side of the game. Now where did I park my barge !!111one!11 Yea errm V so when are we getting our shares from the last corp mining op? CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Verone Originally by: tiller It's been a refreshing change to experience another side of the game. Now where did I park my barge !!111one!11 Go ransom him, you know you want to.
Commoner Caldari The Foundation of Free Traders The Core Collective	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:55:00 - [10] i know why i die to campers...i freak out
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.08.28 18:16:00 - [11] Originally by: tiller Carebear - Someone who avoids any situation that may lead to a PVP confrontation. Well.. I've been trying this to some extent. Over the last 2 years i've flown about the eve universe killing, looting and generally being a sshole. So, it was time for a change. I have not shot anyone for exactly 2 months, and instead spent time lvl4 mission whoring. The reason for my post is just to open eyes of anyone who is pure PVP based and wants to know about the gains to be had from this line of work. Playing I guess a couple of hours a day I've made around 3.5bill isk.... not alot I suppose and a figure that certainly could be achieved with some careful gate camping / ransoming. I have only had one loss and that was on first day of whoring when I met two carriers in my lvl4 system... but apart from that it's been a quiet grind up the sec levels to a point where I'm no longer a outlaw. It's a strange feeling.... I bumped into two gate campers the other day and I was willing them to attack me knowing that any average mission setup would BBQ them with the sentrys on my side. What I find hard to understand is when I was camping gates mission runners died in their 1000s, yet, with a average mission setup you should be ideally fitted to take out any wannabe gate camper... really, fight back mission runners, you have nothing to fear really. (unless outnumbered heavily) One more thing, these mission whoring carebears all harp on about how tough it is... it aint, lvl4 as it currently stands is a joke and anyone with half decent BS skills and a raven will have no trouble at all. Am I gonna continue this grind... no way, it's getting dull beyond belief, but it's served it's purpose of making isk, mending my sec and giving me a insight into another aspect of the game... ps: anyone wanna give me a HAC BPO so I can try manufacturing ? o/ such elitism. one day i hope to grow up and be as big an a*hole as you are
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.28 18:32:00 - [12] Edited by: tiller on 28/08/2006 18:34:20 Originally by: Red Ochre Originally by: tiller Carebear - Someone who avoids any situation that may lead to a PVP confrontation. Well.. I've been trying this to some extent. Over the last 2 years i've flown about the eve universe killing, looting and generally being a sshole. So, it was time for a change. I have not shot anyone for exactly 2 months, and instead spent time lvl4 mission whoring. The reason for my post is just to open eyes of anyone who is pure PVP based and wants to know about the gains to be had from this line of work. Playing I guess a couple of hours a day I've made around 3.5bill isk.... not alot I suppose and a figure that certainly could be achieved with some careful gate camping / ransoming. I have only had one loss and that was on first day of whoring when I met two carriers in my lvl4 system... but apart from that it's been a quiet grind up the sec levels to a point where I'm no longer a outlaw. It's a strange feeling.... I bumped into two gate campers the other day and I was willing them to attack me knowing that any average mission setup would BBQ them with the sentrys on my side. What I find hard to understand is when I was camping gates mission runners died in their 1000s, yet, with a average mission setup you should be ideally fitted to take out any wannabe gate camper... really, fight back mission runners, you have nothing to fear really. (unless outnumbered heavily) One more thing, these mission whoring carebears all harp on about how tough it is... it aint, lvl4 as it currently stands is a joke and anyone with half decent BS skills and a raven will have no trouble at all. Am I gonna continue this grind... no way, it's getting dull beyond belief, but it's served it's purpose of making isk, mending my sec and giving me a insight into another aspect of the game... ps: anyone wanna give me a HAC BPO so I can try manufacturing ? o/ such elitism. one day i hope to grow up and be as big an a*hole as you are As I said, I've been a <<SNIP>> for 2 years, but even though I look ok now, I will always be a <<SNIP>> at heart. Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Tecam Hund Minmatar The Buggers	Posted - 2006.08.28 20:45:00 - [13] We seem to have the same agent to fix security status with. Saw you in the same station with me couple times :) Trying to fix my security myself... For the third time now, and hopefully for the last time. As for level 4 missions. They are indeed easy as pie. Running them in a Tempest myself with t2 1400mms and my gunnery skills are far from perfect.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.08.28 21:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Red Ochre such elitism. one day i hope to grow up and be as big an a**hole as you are I disagree with you there, Tiller only play the game as he finds funny and that is how it is suppose to be. Infact the way he does it makes the game more interesting for the rest of us. It is exiting to be in low sec knowing there are pirates hunting you, even if you are trying to do some mining... It it where not for the fact that I feel very bad shooting at people that have not harmed me ... I could easy have been a good pirate too. But since I have no problem shooting at pirates... the choise is simple, I would be a better anti-pirate than a pirate I have as CEO said to several of my members that they are to follow their heart, if they want to do piracy then by all means do that... just not in this corp's name, also if they want to leave corp to try more pvp .. no problem at all I support them every way. Are still friends with players who have left to see more battles and stuff, even when they have gone piracy !!! And for members since we are freelancers they are allowed to help out local "law enforcements" in protecting systems.. they are just not allowed to do piracy. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.28 22:10:00 - [15] Its good to see how carebears think...so that you may kill them more effectively.
Kriz Lupin Krookid	Posted - 2006.08.28 23:46:00 - [16] Ravens are the best PVE ships out there. You would struggle to to any LVL 4s, without warping out, in any other race bs. You can do 7/10 plexes solo in a raven, no other bs can do that. Caldari need a nerf? I dont care tbh, only ship that can beat a t2 raven is a t2 nos domi. Even then it is close.
Vladimir Norkoff	Posted - 2006.08.29 00:13:00 - [17] Quote: such elitism. one day i hope to grow up and be as big an ahole as you are err... How is he being elitist? I mission *** all the time myself, and I gotta admit it can get real dull.. I'm beginning to wonder why missions are even in the game.. The fact that they can be completed by a solo person kinda detracts from the whole point of a multiplayer game (at least IMHO).. And if one rereads his post, you will notice that the entire point of it is "to open eyes of anyone who is pure PVP based and wants to know about the gains to be had from this line of work".. Plus he is actually encouraging mission runners to stand up for themselves and fight back when attacked instead of just rolling over and admitting defeat.. Seems to me like he is actually trying to do the reader a servcie rather than just be a bloated male organ..
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.08.29 08:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Kriz Lupin Ravens are the best PVE ships out there. You would struggle to to any LVL 4s, without warping out, in any other race bs. You can do 7/10 plexes solo in a raven, no other bs can do that. Caldari need a nerf? I dont care tbh, only ship that can beat a t2 raven is a t2 nos domi. Even then it is close. True the Raven is probably the best missionship if you are thinking of doing lvl 4 missions solo. However I know that one of my former members is doing lvl 4 missions in a T2 fitted Apoc and aparently doing very well so I don't know... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.08.29 08:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Red Ochre Originally by: tiller Carebear - Someone who avoids any situation that may lead to a PVP confrontation. Well.. I've been trying this to some extent. Over the last 2 years i've flown about the eve universe killing, looting and generally being a sshole. So, it was time for a change. I have not shot anyone for exactly 2 months, and instead spent time lvl4 mission whoring. The reason for my post is just to open eyes of anyone who is pure PVP based and wants to know about the gains to be had from this line of work. Playing I guess a couple of hours a day I've made around 3.5bill isk.... not alot I suppose and a figure that certainly could be achieved with some careful gate camping / ransoming. I have only had one loss and that was on first day of whoring when I met two carriers in my lvl4 system... but apart from that it's been a quiet grind up the sec levels to a point where I'm no longer a outlaw. It's a strange feeling.... I bumped into two gate campers the other day and I was willing them to attack me knowing that any average mission setup would BBQ them with the sentrys on my side. What I find hard to understand is when I was camping gates mission runners died in their 1000s, yet, with a average mission setup you should be ideally fitted to take out any wannabe gate camper... really, fight back mission runners, you have nothing to fear really. (unless outnumbered heavily) One more thing, these mission whoring carebears all harp on about how tough it is... it aint, lvl4 as it currently stands is a joke and anyone with half decent BS skills and a raven will have no trouble at all. Am I gonna continue this grind... no way, it's getting dull beyond belief, but it's served it's purpose of making isk, mending my sec and giving me a insight into another aspect of the game... ps: anyone wanna give me a HAC BPO so I can try manufacturing ? o/ such elitism. one day i hope to grow up and be as big an ahole as you are He won Eve with proof, Did you ? Makes him more Elite than you Alliaanna* DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Nagissa Kaworu Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.08.29 10:42:00 - [20] Nobody can withstand the dark side Tiller you'll be back to pirating, just a matter of time. Nag
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.08.29 11:07:00 - [21] The Darkside is 2 strong and isk isn't everything its the Rush i play for and well NPC's just don't do it for me baby !!! been there done that !! now show me your pod :-)
Verone	Posted - 2006.08.29 11:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Verone Originally by: tiller It's been a refreshing change to experience another side of the game. Now where did I park my barge !!111one!11 We all saw the pilgrim vid, k? ... ...Busted. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.29 12:29:00 - [23] EvE without a pirate-tiller? I¦m gonna cry God damit........stop that carebearing bull**** and go and kill ppl!!ONEONE Common.....u know, u want to Imagine.........haulers full of zydrine passing egghelende by the time u not pirateing........ Me? I¦m just another guy in Local......but better u pay attention.....
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.08.29 14:23:00 - [24] suggest thread title change -> : Being a carebear like tiller. <3 ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
mechtech	Posted - 2006.08.30 01:33:00 - [25] Don't quit it yet tiller! there is more to being a carebear. The market is what carebearing means to me. Production can be fun, so can playing with the market trying to make isk. There are also many other odd businesses that you can run. You are right about one thing though, its all isk driven. (yes, I still hate you for killing my 1st wolf and saying merry christmas....christmas is a time of joy! and no, it wasnt me being a scrooge with that badger selling all the free snowballs for huge profits )
Allna	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Tecam Hund We seem to have the same agent to fix security status with. Saw you in the same station with me couple times :) Trying to fix my security myself... For the third time now, and hopefully for the last time. As for level 4 missions. They are indeed easy as pie. Running them in a Tempest myself with t2 1400mms and my gunnery skills are far from perfect. So I'm dying to know (I see you guys all the time, I live near where you both have been mission running), are you both going to keep your sec status above 0, or are you returning to your previous lifestyles? :)
Rigsta Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:48:00 - [27] Originally by: zoolkhan do not underestimate the skills that you must have after 2 or more years training That's true. An experienced player with combat skill points can fly Lv2s in a tech 1 frigate easily, but the average just-in-a-destroyer newbie couldn't dream of it. ----------------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC! And let slip the combat drones! To meander aimlessly towards your target... Perhaps stopping for a picnic along the way... And then turn
Fondas FW Inc	Posted - 2006.08.31 07:31:00 - [28] Quote: One more thing, these mission whoring carebears all harp on about how tough it is... it aint, lvl4 as it currently stands is a joke and anyone with half decent BS skills and a raven will have no trouble at all Raven(best pve ship)+ best faction or T2 modules + 2 years worth of skill points + 2years worth of experience+repetative nature of missions... if the above are true then I have to agree :lvl4 missions are a joke on the other hand, not all mission runners meet the above requirments Just think of a 3mil sp character in a T1 fitted Domi, entering Angel Extravaganza ... releasing his/her drones !
Dryxonedes Sae TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:48:00 - [29] Can't speak for tiller, but tecam will :) It's "for the third time" for a reason Just give him crap about going soft often enough and he'll shoot :) ** Where's the problem? It's called natural selection - The bottom of the **ing food chain. -Denis Leary

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