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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1372
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Posted - 2014.11.19 12:45:06 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:I would avoid any type of force field around any type of deployable. What I would do is create a buffer zone around certain deployable a that would either remove the ship from dscan and increase the sensor strength to help it resist probing.
A shield of protection is bad for this small space. I'd defer to resistance to being probe over some pos shield.
Actually that is a much better idea. A mobile depot with this feature is a great idea.
It would need careful thought to prevent it becoming an overpowered object out of the wormhole in k space, maybe need the W-R system effect to function?
+1 to the amended deployable.
This is the beauty of the forums, one comes with an idea, and amongst all the garbage, somebody comes out with an idea from left field that makes it much better.
Thanks.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Winthorp
2883
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Posted - 2014.11.19 12:57:20 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:I am looking forward to these frig systems. I will be nice to try new things and new meta's (you can break away in frigs so kiting may be a thing)
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp
The Bastion
372
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Posted - 2014.11.19 13:16:14 -
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As a non-holer:
What's the purpose of these system going to be?
It can't be habitated, so why would you go there?
There's noone who will form a defense-fleet in those holes. There's noone who'll form an invasion fleet for those holes.
There's no shiny kills and glorious fights to be had in those holes.
It looks to me like they'll be damn empty all the time until there are so many sites that someone actually forms a AF fleet to run it.
Theoretically, could a single AF (Let's say, a Retribution) run a C3 site solo in there with all the system effects applied?
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1372
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Posted - 2014.11.19 13:26:01 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:As a non-holer:
What's the purpose of these system going to be?
It can't be habitated, so why would you go there?
There's noone who will form a defense-fleet in those holes. There's noone who'll form an invasion fleet for those holes.
There's no shiny kills and glorious fights to be had in those holes.
It looks to me like they'll be damn empty all the time until there are so many sites that someone actually forms a AF fleet to run it.
Theoretically, could a single AF (Let's say, a Retribution) run a C3 site solo in there with all the system effects applied?
There is a temptation, when thinking of wormhole space to only consider the PVP aspect and take a macho attitude of believing the only additions to wormhole space should keep this as a laser focus.
Unfortunately if one does that, one ends up with the space gradually becoming sterile.
Eve is an organic structure in a sense a biome, where the food chain is not there just to support the top predators, but all the stages in between.
These holes are fantastic PVE holes, we will of course need to see the whole delivery of the feature to know exactly how they will be used, and imaginative people will do very interesting things with them.
If they were balanced exactly the same as existing space but with a small entrance, then they would struggle to provide the opportunities for new play techniques. What is being given to us though is really quite interesting and has great potential.
It is often better to travel hopefully than to arrive. And we do not know the destination, as it is yet to be discovered.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
271
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Posted - 2014.11.19 15:03:48 -
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Hayley Enaka wrote:Meditril wrote: At the moment every freaking wormhole is habituated by someone. Do you live in a different w-space to the rest of us? Where are these inhabited wormholes and how do I find them?
Try adding Force Fields to your overview
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1275
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:20:20 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Yeah, no. POSs in frigate only wormholes would be a bit OP. First person inside can never be evicted by the hordes of blappable Enyos which would wash up ineffectually on the POS defences (namely, a DG Large with 40 small blasters and 10 DG web batteries).
Domination web batteries you mean, which have 36mm scan res. Drone frigate fleet could EASILY defang the webs on your small blaster pos from 60km, then bring in bombers and wipe it up.
"Hurf durf no, the webs would still hit the drone boats 60km"
Right, but the blasters wont, nor will they actually target drones on their own. Unmanned, it would be relatively simple to take out any pos setup with a frig fleet.
More on topic though; I don't like these frigate only shattered systems, but someone might, so w.e., more content is good, I guess. Dont think you should be able to live long term ANYWHERE you want though. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
1926
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:35:30 -
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OK, good luck RFing a tower with sentry Asteros.
J's before K's.
Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew.
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Disavowed.
156
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Posted - 2014.11.24 22:35:40 -
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Stuff to do in frigate s is the most important thing here.
It gets people in the new frig space, wich then can be hunted.
It is essential in the new frig only holes!
But also the other w-space systems need more stuff to do in frigates so that the frig holes would be more usefull.
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Jackson Olacar
Codename-47
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 01:24:56 -
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Kyra Kurai wrote:Imagine scanning your way into a hole with nothing more than a few combat frigs, a bunch of ventures, and no infrastructure.
You live out of small depolyables to start; Mining with your ventures, setting up minimal PI that has to be launched to space.
Eventually, you construct your first small tower. Your bubble goes up for the first time with a bit of fuel you slipped in with your cargo-fit exploration ships.
Now you can really get going.
etc.
I like any ideas that can breathe more life into w-space. And opening up w-space to low sp pilots who can complete all the content with frigates would be a spawning ground for future w-space corps that would one day be milling around in hac's, t3's, and caps. And the whole haven and hearth meets eve aspect is pretty cool. But there are quite a few balance issues that need to be worked through. As many have mentioned, the first person in would be immovable.
Still, rolling into a hole where you could have a small fleet fight with newbros in af's and logi frigs would be a nice way to spice up a night. |
Ilaister
Task Force Proteus
Protean Concept
130
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Posted - 2014.11.25 01:58:48 -
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I don't think its laziness on Fozzie, or anyone else at CCP's part that we have the frigholes we have or are due to get.
We can be pretty sure that it's been run past Corbexx and he's been a revelation (personally speaking) in terms of keeping our interests at the forefront of the Devs' minds.
They know they can't make more adjustments in the short term to how jump mechanics work and how that favours brawly T3s so the easiest way to stop us being lazy and flying the same tired **** everywhere and gangraping newbros in frigates is to prevent us from bringing them in entirely, and make the effect interesting enough that we are keen to create different comps for the environment.
I can get Frig pew in FW pretty much in every chain without thinking about it and can bring w/e I want. If we need to traverse/gank something in a frighole we at leat have to think about what we're piloting before we jump the stat. |
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