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Imran
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:12:00 -
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A person posted on this a few days ago, alas...*****ing in the only way to get a point accross.
Please add some worthwhile game content to low sec, give players a fkn reason to risk their ship/pods by venturing into lower sec zones. Add BS spawns, add better ore, give corps a reason to mine together instead of going afk in highsec and sucking on veldspar.
Better NPCS Better Ore Better Missions
And im not writing this just because i want more targets (snicker ^^). It'll make the game a bit more fun, for everybody.
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:20:00 -
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I agree, besides more LP and the (very few) better complexes, there's no real incentive to go to low sec.
There needs to be a middleground between empire and 0.0, and the current low sec is not it.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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Kage Getsu
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:22:00 -
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I'm a low security pirate, and it sometimes makes me laugh that I murdered people over some lame courier mission where they had to deliver 15 metal scraps or something. I think that the missions and rewards should be proportionate to the risk, and low security is more dangerous than anywhere else in EVE, except for a few chokepoints in 0.0 space. I shouldn't have to murder people for some metal scraps :(
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:25:00 -
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Well what do we have here. Three pirates asking for low sec boosts?
The irony is so strong I think I might drown in it.
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Well what do we have here. Three pirates asking for low sec boosts?
The irony is so strong I think I might drown in it.
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day.
Yea we pirates never fight in 0.0 
And when i say *fight* i mean blob.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:30:00 -
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In CCP's defence, they can only calculate risk/reward based on what they program. They cannot calculate with us players added in there.
And seen from a completely "solo" point of view, low sec provides excatly what it needs to.
That a lof of ebil piwates infest the region, is not in CCP's control. Well they could add concord and more sentry guns, but that would defeat the purpose of low sec.
All in all, I think low sec is the way is should be.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:45:00 -
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The low sec complexes are fine, you can make ALOT of mins whoring the drone complexes, and the pirate complexes (4-5/10) are easy!.
However low sec needs better npc's on a general basis. Perhaps some 500k battleships here and there?
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day.

You're pathetic.
0.4-.1's are much more dangerous than 0.0.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 28/08/2006 18:55:42 Edited by: Galk on 28/08/2006 18:54:43 Boost low sec mining for sure.
I was bored earlier, so i decided to drop a couple of jetcans of hem and kernite.
Used a eos with 7 up top and a covetor, so it was a pretty decent set.
It's pitiful it realy is... constant danger, if some loser had decided to come blow my cans it would have been gameover and waste of an hour in a blink.. basicaly i just get lucky that nobody does decide to attack me or blow the cans.. so i decide not to carry on pushing it and stop.
I pull back and hit the refine button, i get 400 something zyd, 8k nox, about 20k iso, with 80 odd k mex.
Now what i was thinking to myself.. to collect that basicaly (and i was looking more at the mex) all it takes is to loot a couple of ds areas of cans after running a mission in the time it takes to mine that.. and i get virtualy the same amounts of minerals with non of that risk or protential setbacks.
Plus iv'e probaly earned 10-15 million from bounty and agent rewards at the same time.
It's not a statement of overdoing it on lv4's.... it's just a compare as to why nobody bothers and could use a boost.
One of two things.... better hauls from roids of basic minerals (such as mex) also maybe dark ochre/gneiss.
Im not sure, but mining low sec atm is virtualy pointless. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Kage Getsu
Lordless Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Well what do we have here. Three pirates asking for low sec boosts?
The irony is so strong I think I might drown in it.
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day.
I pirate low security space because it's easier. I'm a big fan of the whole "Risk versus Rewards" thing as long as the risk is low and the rewards are high. What, do you think I kill people and take their stuff for a challenge?
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Imran
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake Well what do we have here. Three pirates asking for low sec boosts?
The irony is so strong I think I might drown in it.
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day.
Buhu go npc plz and use alliance mates as fodder.
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:58:00 -
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Low sec = playground for people, who want higher risk and for outlaws. Outlaws means, they don't care much about the law. If some alliance guy in low sec. told me as a pirate to go to 0.0, I'd ask him to leave my home or I'd call the police !  -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111 |

Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 28/08/2006 19:03:50 Low sec piracy = you vs sentry guns vs everyone and their kid brother having the option of firing at you because of your negative sec vs alliance blobs passing through vs merc corp etc etc.
*gate snipers exluded*
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Buterphly
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:03:00 -
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0.4-0.1 is only more dangerous for miners/mission runners. It's much safer for pirates. No concord and no experienced players to hand them there butts. Thats why you never see any of these lame 'pirate corps' make runs in 0.0. And when they do try, they all go home in pods after their short vacation. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but i see many more big alliances having successful lone gankers or small gangs deep in 0.0 than these hardcore pirate corps.
But on topic: the missions are the same, since they axed courier. run them in empire if you are afraid to undock and jump to the acceleration gate or deadspace.
The ore in lowsec is just as good as it is in quite a few 0.0 regions. Look at Stain VS Derelik for example. Hemorphite/Hedbergite is MUCH better than veld. You can make 12mil/hour without tanking 3x battleships. Seems balanced to me.
Spawns are smaller because its a higher sec system! Want BS spanws? Run lvl3 or lvl4 missions. Or do a 5/10 plex. Or....go to 0.0.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:10:00 -
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No, goto 0.0 if you want to earn lots of money. ____________________________
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:18:00 -
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I agree, in a way.
I think 0.5+ needs to be nerfed; with L4 kill agents (and L3's) needing to be moved to low sec. Ore in high sec should suffer a lower respawn rate, with some of the ores such as kernite being removed from 0.5 and up.
Then 0.0 needs to be boosted, I think all systems in 0.0 getting a -0.1 true sec rating decrease would help (increases amount of systems in 0.0 with high ends, boosts currently used systems, increases the number of higher end NPC spawns).
That would balance it all out. No need to boost, low sec empire - just need to nerf high sec, the amount of money you can make with little risk is still far, far too high. --------
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Imran
Blind Vengeance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: coldplasma No, goto 0.0 if you want to earn lots of money.
Yes go into 0.0, by either joining a lame ass alliance, or spend more time managing a stupid pos than playing the game.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: coldplasma No, goto 0.0 if you want to earn lots of money.
The topic is boost low sec, not make it better than 0.0.
Currently the problems that low sec are experiencing arn't all that different from the problems 0.0 had at the back end of 04 begining of 05.
Many of the aspects of it just arn't worth bothering with it relation to what you can do for little or no risk elsewhere.
My example of mining was a perfect one, it just isn't worth it, tbh i could mine far greater profits in 0.0... and i know it having been there and done it, and ofc sucking roids in a 0.5 is allways an easier option for base.... over sucking high yeilding (but sparse) rocks in lowsec that i can never exploit the way i can with a 2-3 barges in high sec for 20 hrs constantly
Low sec is quite crowded now to what it used to be...(same with 0.0 i spose.. but with deep communal groups free to exploit riches in near peace, that largely negates standard problems and risk low sec miners face)
It's easy to make a call for a bit of a redesign given the increased numbers in low sec and the greater risks that go with it. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:33:00 -
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There is far too much risk in low sec to justify the reward at the moment.
I should know, I AM the risk.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Imran
Originally by: coldplasma No, goto 0.0 if you want to earn lots of money.
Yes go into 0.0, by either joining a lame ass alliance, or spend more time managing a stupid pos than playing the game.
Reality sucks, doesn't it? ____________________________
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 28/08/2006 19:43:11
Originally by: The Enslaver I agree, in a way.
I think 0.5+ needs to be nerfed; with L4 kill agents (and L3's) needing to be moved to low sec. Ore in high sec should suffer a lower respawn rate, with some of the ores such as kernite being removed from 0.5 and up.
Then 0.0 needs to be boosted, I think all systems in 0.0 getting a -0.1 true sec rating decrease would help (increases amount of systems in 0.0 with high ends, boosts currently used systems, increases the number of higher end NPC spawns).
That would balance it all out. No need to boost, low sec empire - just need to nerf high sec, the amount of money you can make with little risk is still far, far too high.
You don't agree at all.
You say no change to low sec (in your own words), aside pointing out boosting 0.0 in a totaly extreme unbalanced way (which will never happen.. mainly because it would destroy all the things you allegedly fight over) and total nerfs of 0.5 up which would completely screw the fragile balance of the game.
I presume that post was a joke ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 28/08/2006 19:43:11
Originally by: The Enslaver I agree, in a way.
I think 0.5+ needs to be nerfed; with L4 kill agents (and L3's) needing to be moved to low sec. Ore in high sec should suffer a lower respawn rate, with some of the ores such as kernite being removed from 0.5 and up.
Then 0.0 needs to be boosted, I think all systems in 0.0 getting a -0.1 true sec rating decrease would help (increases amount of systems in 0.0 with high ends, boosts currently used systems, increases the number of higher end NPC spawns).
That would balance it all out. No need to boost, low sec empire - just need to nerf high sec, the amount of money you can make with little risk is still far, far too high.
You don't agree at all.
You say no change to low sec (in your own words), aside pointing out boosting 0.0 in a totaly extreme unbalanced way (which will never happen.. mainly because it would destroy all the things you allegedly fight over) and total nerfs of 0.5 up which would completely screw the fragile balance of the game.
I presume that post was a joke
How don't I agree?
Moving the L4 agents out of high sec, moving the more profitable empire roids out of high sec... That is a serious boost to the number of people that would move into low sec.
And you should do some research into what I suggested, it isn't a massive boost at all. It just makes more areas (perhaps one constellation per region) viable for outposts/high end mining/etc. Obviously that is an area that you are ill informed in. --------
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Rylet VanDorn
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 28/08/2006 20:25:59 How is low sec a risk?
I have instas for every gate in the system, as well as an insta for the station I run missions out of, and from that station to every gate... I'm always aligned for warp so in case someone does manage to scan me out I have a way out prepped, in addition to a way off-plane safespot for a log out in case I'm being hunted.
Not sure what risk you're all referring to.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Well what do we have here. Three pirates asking for low sec boosts?
The irony is so strong I think I might drown in it.
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day.
I pirate low security space because it's easier. I'm a big fan of the whole "Risk versus Rewards" thing as long as the risk is low and the rewards are high. What, do you think I kill people and take their stuff for a challenge?
You just became the only pirate I respect. Not because what you do is respectable, but because you have no illusions about what you do.
The rest of you are cowards in wolfs clothing.
___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Lord Vanduke
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:32:00 -
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I owudl go into low sec if i oculd but there are always gate camps which i can get past.
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Valkazm
Amarr Cursed Spawn Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Locke DieDrake Well what do we have here. Three pirates asking for low sec boosts?
The irony is so strong I think I might drown in it.
Why don't you guys grow a pair and move out to alliance space. Lots of juicy ships to shoot at. And it would have the effect of balancing low sec because you asshats wouldn't be camping a .4 gate 23 hours a day.
I pirate low security space because it's easier. I'm a big fan of the whole "Risk versus Rewards" thing as long as the risk is low and the rewards are high. What, do you think I kill people and take their stuff for a challenge?
You just became the only pirate I respect. Not because what you do is respectable, but because you have no illusions about what you do.
The rest of you are cowards in wolfs clothing.
/signed
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Weps
Azule Wolves
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:49:00 -
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[offtopic] I recall a mod where players would get slapped when camping... [/offtopic]
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Wrayeth
Omerta Syndicate Pure.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Weps [offtopic] I recall a mod where players would get slapped when camping... [/offtopic]
I think that's called "Frustrated Girlfriend", or the tech II version known as "Wife". -Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.28 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
How don't I agree?
Originally by: The Enslaver
I agree, in a way
No need to boost, low sec empire
Ill just leave it at that, i made credible posts as to why lowsec needed a boost, you just choose to highjack the thread with yet another nerf highsec call without even bothering to address low sec issues. Instead you just diluted it with arguements as to why highsec should be nerfed to make lowsec more credible...
Rather bizarely calling for a totaly unrealistic 0.0 boost at the same time
The best ore's/npc's in every system.... 
I agree officers and faction gear, mega and zyd for everybody.....
Nice and cheap
______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:06:00 -
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Level 3 missions should be lowsec only, level 4 missions 0.0. (Though I would prefer to see all level 3 and 4 missions completely removed from the game).
And no NPC stations in 0.0. Hell, maybe even no NPC stations in lowsec. Then the game would get interesting.
Now you just got a bunch of gatecamping lowlifes who can scamper off and hide whenever a stronger force comes by.
Risk/reward in lowsec is skewed because too many bottomfeeders live there.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Weps [offtopic] I recall a mod where players would get slapped when camping... [/offtopic]
I think that's called "Frustrated Girlfriend", or the tech II version known as "Wife".
   well i agree that low sec space need boosting
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:09:00 -
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Fighting for an alliance is boring is hell... wait 2-5hrs, blob, lag, lag, lag, fire, die, repeat.
No thanks, not anymore. Had a year of that crap :P -=====-
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Ill just leave it at that, i made credible posts as to why lowsec needed a boost, you just choose to highjack the thread with yet another nerf highsec call without even bothering to address low sec issues. Instead you just diluted it with arguements as to why highsec should be nerfed to make lowsec more credible...
Nerfing high sec - boosts low sec. Simple as that.
One boost I would suggest would be to boost sentry guns range to the entire grid; sitting off a gate sniping all day is rather pathetic and not exactly as things are meant to be. Nerf the snipers, but allow those who will 'camp' gates properly - within the range of the sentries, to carry on.
Quote: Rather bizarely calling for a totaly unrealistic 0.0 boost at the same time
The best ore's/npc's in every system.... 
I agree officers and faction gear, mega and zyd for everybody.....
Nice and cheap
This is what clearly demonstrates that you know relatively little about what you are talking about. See the boost I suggested - look up the facts surrounding it, then you can talk, until that point, you haven't a leg to stand on. Fact of the matter is, only 10% of 0.0 is worth inhabiting - my idea boosts that to about.. 15%. --------
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.28 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
I think all systems in 0.0 getting a -0.1 true sec rating decrease.
Originally by: The Enslaver
Fact of the matter is, only 10% of 0.0 is worth inhabiting - my idea boosts that to about.. 15%.
So how exactly does making it all -0.1 (in your own words) make it about 15%?
Mr enslaver, i am well aware of the small enclaves of 0.0 space that contain the best ore's, best npc's, the -0.1 systems, constantly trying to insult my inteligence by spouting i don't know what im talking about does not in anyway convince me at all, as i frequented a region for over a year where i visited those systems on a daily basis....
Futhermore i am also aware of those systems that i used to frequent now have an outpost parked on them and are used by many more players than when i was around (my in local all day alone with maybe 2-3 guys coming in would not happen now... i see 10-15 in those systems on the map)
Maybe thats why you call for it (all -0.1) i made simular observations as to why low sec needs to change given amounts of players now active in low sec.
I fail to see how making all of 0.0 space have the best npc's and ore would promote a balance...
Ok you changed it to 15% later on, but i reacted to your original post, not your change of heart 15%.
Im done anyway, we arn't talking about low sec anymore, i suggest you read my original posts, they were more constructive on the issue. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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The Enslaver
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
So how exactly does making it all -0.1 (in your own words) make it about 15%?
Mr enslaver, i am well aware of the small enclaves of 0.0 space that contain the best ore's, best npc's, the -0.1 systems, constantly trying to insult my inteligence by spouting i don't know what im talking about does not in anyway convince me at all, as i frequented a region for over a year where i visited those systems on a daily basis....
Futhermore i am also aware of those systems that i used to frequent now have an outpost parked on them and are used by many more players than when i was around (my in local all day alone with maybe 2-3 guys coming in would not happen now... i see 10-15 in those systems on the map)
Maybe thats why you call for it (all -0.1) i made simular observations as to why low sec needs to change given amounts of players now active in low sec.
I fail to see how making all of 0.0 space have the best npc's and ore would promote a balance...
Ok you changed it to 15% later on, but i reacted to your original post, not your change of heart 15%.
Im done anyway, we arn't talking about low sec anymore, i suggest you read my original posts, they were more constructive on the issue.
Again, read what I said. Again.
I said lower all current systems by -0.1. So for instance, a system with -0.35 would become -0.45.
-1.0 is the lowest, which has all the high end ores and the best NPC's. --------
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Larkonis Trassler
g guild
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Posted - 2006.08.28 22:25:00 -
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I agree, people make too much money mission running for 0 risk in High Sec (myself included). I would love to see all level 4 agents moved into low sec areas, but I can't see it happening as too many folk would moan about it so I can't see it happening any time soon.
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