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Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Isky Edited by: Mr Isky on 29/08/2006 08:53:20 Edited by: Mr Isky on 29/08/2006 08:52:11
Originally by: Rikkard Strofeldt PVP arenas eh?
Have you even been out to 0.0?
Yeah, blobs, fleets sniping fleets, unending gate camps, 10-20 jumps or more from a new ship should i need one, sound like soooooooo much fun
I'm talking about samll scale gang pvp, if i wanted to sit there focus firing and insta poppong ppl i'd go back to the alliance grind.
I'm sure there are small scale fights to be had in 0.0 but in my experiance not many. I've never understood the fleet attraction, so much fire power that targets last only seconds after being called primary, no skill, no thrill, just point and click.
Tbh, it sounds like you haven't much experience in 0.0 . There's small scale fights everywhere all the time, gangs constantly butt heads all over the place, alliance fleets butt heads also and i certainly don't find them boring. It's fkin awesome tbh, we have small fight's daily, big fight's quite often and not once have i ever found it a grind or boring. Have you ever actually pvp'd coz from your post it doesn't sound like it.
If all fc and there men just did what you said, point clik fire etc, they will die horribly if they aren't alert to changes in the battlefield, flanked, o sht, dictor drop, 1st few to decloak have super tank to absorb horrendous firepower and give your fleet time to get a headstart killwise. there is soo much to think about and if you or your guy's do fighting like how you think we all do it, you must be bloody dreadful.
As for no thrill, you definately havent done fleet action then, gettin out in time if your are primary is a hoot, if your tackled, you have to take action fast or die. Safety of a planet, nah mate, enemy saw you warp off on fire and follow, got to fight your way out and repair in warp. There is so much to it that i could soend all day talkin and buzzin about it, fly with some more competent people.My personal favourite, bein in support and dogfighting with other support while tryin to get a tackle on the enemy or keep the friendly bs clear, about as intense as it gets.
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:29:00 -
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The Caldari Tournament. And that's quite enough.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:40:00 -
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I'd have no problems with arenas...
But in the arena you'd suffer the same losses as in any other PvP except pod killing...
I think they would be great fun, to have an audience take bets, etc...
But alas, too many are short sided, and worried about not having enough "targets"
Arena's, tournaments, prizes, gambling... It would be awesome IMO... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/08/2006 10:44:03 I think it would be better with missions that pit player teams against eachother. Why fight boring npc's when you can fight people? Just one real player battleship kill will give you at least 10 mill.
Im not totally against pvp arenas myself, as long as they follow the core mechanism of real loss and win.
Agents giving out real missions where pilots fight for their faction against similar [player] teams would be awesome fun. Unfortunantly I think factional warfare will only be against even more npc's as I understand it. :p
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 29/08/2006 10:50:50
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/08/2006 10:44:03 I think it would be better with missions that pit player teams against eachother. Why fight boring npc's when you can fight people? Just one real player battleship kill will give you at least 10 mill.
Im not totally against pvp arenas myself, as long as they follow the core mechanism of real loss and win.
Agents giving out real missions where pilots fight for their faction against similar [player] teams would be awesome fun. Unfortunantly I think factional warfare will only be against even more npc's as I understand it. :p
That's cool too, but having 1v1 battles all sunday long in a tournament style with the contract system accepting bets & stuff... Pure fun IMO...
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
That's cool too, but having 1v1 battles all sunday long in a tournament style with the contract system accepting bets & stuff... Pure fun IMO...
I think it would be fun for a while, but much like WoW it will lose its appeal after a short period of time. The interesting thing about Eve is that its not the actual battle that is the most fun - its the chase and the looking for targets. :)
Perhaps pvp combat will become boring if everyone has access to it all the time. Im just throwing the idea out there.. I could be wrong.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 29/08/2006 11:01:04
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Bhaal
That's cool too, but having 1v1 battles all sunday long in a tournament style with the contract system accepting bets & stuff... Pure fun IMO...
I think it would be fun for a while, but much like WoW it will lose its appeal after a short period of time. The interesting thing about Eve is that its not the actual battle that is the most fun - its the chase and the looking for targets. :)
Perhaps pvp combat will become boring if everyone has access to it all the time. Im just throwing the idea out there.. I could be wrong.
Nah, I envision it turning some of the current EVE players (mainly agent runners) into tournament junkies, as well as bringing in a lot of new players who like that kind of PvP...
I know I'd have a character for it! And I'd do it when everything else in EVE is boring me, then when I get bored with that, move on to something else in EVE I have not done in a while...
Not everything can be about corp/alliance politics, as it's a game, and I really get sick of the politics sometimes, as it reminds me of RL work...
It would be good for EVE IMO... Might create more PvP'ers getting used to loss as well...
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voxen
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: voxen on 29/08/2006 11:13:10
Originally by: Cattraknoff
Originally by: Valkazm YAY more reasons for people to avoid low sec and sit in arena all day lol love the no risk part fitts perfectly with high sec space .. i can imagine it now king of the arena never leave high sec space and smacks everyone else and challenges them to enter with no risk he has the most uber gear i see corp spawning up just for the arena corp making loads of isk of fighting in it ,, i see WoW
And this is why CCP wont do it, no risk, all reward, it goes against everything CCP stands for and what eve is.
Says who? As far as I know, Eve is a free for all, create your own destiny game. the responses really read like written by 'omgwtf look at me being all king of the hill in my .0 and lowsec systems'. Why would you object to something like a (voluntary!!!) arena in which new players can practice PvP duels? It's not like they won't come to your area when they can do it in high sec... Yes, it could very well get boring, but is that your problem? don't think so. And concerning the "no risk all reward" thing; the only reward is the price money the players have agreed to pay to the winner. Again; so what?
You'd rather have new players run into .0 unexperienced so they're easy catch for your gatecamps?
edit: I could even see it part of a voluntary beginners tutorial. it'd get people into pvp very easily
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Arthegon
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:15:00 -
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No arenas please. Especially ones were there is nor risk of loss of equipment/isk.
EVE is and should always be a game of consequence. Your decisions should influence your chances of getting the reward balanced out by relative risk involved.
For testing setups etc, use the testserver.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arthegon No arenas please. Especially ones were there is nor risk of loss of equipment/isk.
EVE is and should always be a game of consequence. Your decisions should influence your chances of getting the reward balanced out by relative risk involved.
For testing setups etc, use the testserver.
So how is losing your ship and all it's mods to the victor not a consequence?
Some of you are so short sided it's amazing...
You're constantly trying to keep EVE in the past, always resisting change that would improve game play for many, and may actually bring in more players for obvious selfishness on your part.
If you didnĘt like arena's, all you would have to do is ignore them, pretty simple...
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:45:00 -
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oh god... someone make these sharding/riskfree pvp/pvp arenas/no loss/no risk vs reward posts stop...
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:50:00 -
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Guildwars is probably a better reference than WoW. Guildwars is fun and balanced, I play there when I want true PvP instead of ganking.
What I love in EVE is when a fight is balanced but it is a very rare occurence, it's more a matter of outblobbing or safespotting. I rarely go fight solo anymore (being Caldari maybe doesn't help) because it takes me ages to find a fight that is over in 10 seconds.
If they were arenas in EVE, I'd play them. And if you don't like the idea of arenas, don't play them. Nobody forces you to mine EVE, right? Still mining exists. The level of selfishness and immaturity on these boards is appaling, lately...
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 29/08/2006 11:53:10
Originally by: Verone
oh god... someone make these sharding/riskfree pvp/pvp arenas/no loss/no risk vs reward posts stop...
Was the tournament BoB won risk free?
Quote: The level of selfishness and immaturity on these boards is appaling, lately...
And it's from the same ppl over and over again, those who feel that everyone in EVE should be a target for them, if they lose the ability to gank some targets they get all threatened and upset...
It is true selfishness, well put...
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.29 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 12:32:07 Bhaal I think you're missing the point here...
What the OP asks for is not an Arena kind of thing for pre-arranged fights where you lose your ship, he asks for an Arena where you do not ahve any losses.
And tbh thats just boring, totally not thrilling...
I mean, if I fill in I wanna fight a Megathron 1on1, and I use that actually as prereq for the fight, Ill fit 2 Gallente Jammers and the fight is over.
The fun in Eve's PVP is the unexpected, and the loss you suffer.
For those that say it would actually create more pvpers etc, no it wouldnt...
Someone that enjoys this arena-type pvp would never actually go out and fight with real losses, it doesnt help you with fittings as you'd go whining because there was something else coming than you expected.
Another argument someone used was it gives young players an apportunity to pwn the vets, again, no need for a arena to do that, it happens every day if you are smart enough.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 12:31:00 -
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I think the players should arrange a mini version of the alliance tournament.
It would be the arena idea, but with loss and no artificial game mechanics, and no waiting around for someone to fight.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.08.29 12:39:00 -
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Anything you want in this way, you can, and should organise yourself. All you cannot do is enforce the rules or the trust of the other person through some "higher power". You have to do that yourself.
All the tools are in place, you are just too lazy to use them.
There should also ALWAYS be a chance of being betrayed.
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bldyannoyed
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.29 12:42:00 -
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Bhaal, stop calling people short sided ffs, its short "sighted".
And back on topic, the kind of Roman gladiator colloseum arena fights being proposed here are not what the OP wanted. The OP wanted risk free PvP, which absolutley should not be allowed.
However, a colloseum is actually a pretty neat idea. People could use the new conract system to bet, winner takes a purse, and the loser goes home in their pod, if theyre lucky. Again tho, this doesnt need any extra stuff added by the devs. The contracts wil probably be able to manage the betting and winners purse side of things, and all it takes is players to organise it in low-sec or 0.0 if u don't want the sec hit. Doing it in low sec also fits the game cos Concord are hardly gonna support this kind of bloodsport.
These rsik free arenas tho are a total waste, They add nothing to the Universe, their outcomes having no consequence, and would waste Dev time and server power when they could, u know, be doing something usefull. A risk free PvP arena is litle more than Singularitys fight club on TQ, and there is no justification for something like that.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 13:00:00 -
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I never said I was in favor of what the OP wanted.
I was responding to those that don't think arena's of any kind belong in EVE...
If that's the case, CCP needs to stop the alliance championships now! They are ruining the game!
Arena's could work, and would be a great addition. Yes they would have to include loss of every kind, even pod killing if some demand that...
A system where the arranged fight can play out, WIHOUT ganking or blobbing form anyone else... Where the victor gets his loot, and all the gamblers get their ISK from the contract system... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: tuikyuo Not sure if this has been asked before but will there ever be arenas in-game for pvping on the same grounds?
Like everythings pre-arranged what's allowed what isnt (such as T2 Ammo certain ships) and how many people can be on both sides. (1vs1 5vs5 to like 500vs500) And the goal is to either kill everyone or kill the King (like in chess).
It can have either hardcore mode where the ship and everything is destroyed or the moment your ship goes into 10% hull you're kicked out and cant return. And the winner will get whatever they wagered between the particpents.
Just like not have it in a heavy crowded area make it an unreachable area where you cant warp in, so if people warp out or get d/c'd, they are out for good.
I think it'd be fun to have organized pvp instead of gank fest not sure if the game mechanics would handel it since i've only been playing for 3-4months but if they make a way where the ship isnt destroyed and you can both agree on what items arnt allowed to be used, and save those settings individually like bookmarks so you dont have to do it everytime, it'd be a great part of eve.
I can see and sypathise to a degree with you as i can see why you would want this but to say the truth it wont really fit in with eve as this would create a sort of instance zone which has so far been avoided thanks to prudent planning from the developers. However there sre ways you can do planned PvP in a similar fashion.
1. make a special arena safespot with spectator safespots say 150km away either side.
2. Talk to prospective combatant corps who may be interested in a friendly private PvP tournement.
3. arrange a decent first prize a second and a third.
4. sort out some sensible rules ie no tech 2 for example or no battleships.
5. If at all possable arrange a seperate corp to join in to act as referees and pay them a wage for a good jobe done whan tournement is finished.
6. now you dont have to do this but this can be a way of making money if your venue is good enough arrange entry fees for the audiance to pay.
Now you have a actuall PvP arena now and its one that i think you will find fits in with eve and is suported by the eve community and is one that is not an instanced zone. -----------------------------------------------
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St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal I never said I was in favor of what the OP wanted.
I was responding to those that don't think arena's of any kind belong in EVE...
If that's the case, CCP needs to stop the alliance championships now! They are ruining the game!
Arena's could work, and would be a great addition. Yes they would have to include loss of every kind, even pod killing if some demand that...
A system where the arranged fight can play out, WIHOUT ganking or blobbing form anyone else... Where the victor gets his loot, and all the gamblers get their ISK from the contract system...
Lol didnt see this this is a good idea too. -----------------------------------------------
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon
Originally by: Bhaal I never said I was in favor of what the OP wanted.
I was responding to those that don't think arena's of any kind belong in EVE...
If that's the case, CCP needs to stop the alliance championships now! They are ruining the game!
Arena's could work, and would be a great addition. Yes they would have to include loss of every kind, even pod killing if some demand that...
A system where the arranged fight can play out, WIHOUT ganking or blobbing form anyone else... Where the victor gets his loot, and all the gamblers get their ISK from the contract system...
Lol didnt see this this is a good idea too.
I know, hence the arguments I was making...
I never supported the OP's risk free version, but do support arena's in general, and have a bone to pick with those who think they are a bad idea, that's all... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Vanlade
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:20:00 -
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no - Vanlade
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tuikyuo
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: tuikyuo on 29/08/2006 16:32:56 Gah! Remeber i'm still kinda a new player, if you guys would like the idea better with ships being destroyed so be it, remeber i'm just suggesting an idea here so that it could be molded and changed to a universal understanding. I can see why ships gettng destroyed would be way more fun, you'd be able to fight the hardcore people who deck out their ships vs the people who just use cheap equipment and tech 1 ships so they dont have that much of a loss! Please dont do the "What the OP wanted was so and so" what I want is just an idea that the community can talk about lol. I still believe in risk vs reward, I do like the fact that when you die you lose your ship and your implants and such, has happened to me a few times when I cut to 0.0 space to do missions and such.
I know you can do this on your own, the point would be simply to fight total strangers with more trust behind the fight instead of having to leave your current corp in favour of a more pvp oriented one and such. Remeber just a suggestion.
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Kahor
Minmatar Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kahor on 29/08/2006 16:49:58 Why not organize this arena yourself, you got the tools, if you want it so much, no prob there, I know of several corps that organize tournaments...
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arbitrary
Bad luck Clover Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:13:00 -
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It needs to be player driven and within the gameworld (like complexes) and not an instance on the outside.
You need to be able to gank it etc.
So if some corp would arrange for fights like this in EVE I would be all for it, as we have what we need now.
I you want CCP to add some kind of safe PVP arena? well it would kill part of EVE for me.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii To whoever said you can capture the flag in CS, STFU nubbincakes
I'm a proud CS player from Beta1 and I can assure you no beta or current release of CS or CS:S has ever included "apture the flag" maps... so nagh *sticks out tongue*
Of and to the Op, Your idea sucks.. go play WoW
Alliaanna
Yes, there is a capture the flag mode in CS. Has been since what was it, beta 3?
The flags look like people, and there are 4 of them.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:36:00 -
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Well i don't see what would be wrong in a duelling option, i see lots of people on this forum that go like 'omg come get sum!!!' well with this u could, this guy annoys u? challenge him to a duel (sorta like a gang invite) when the other accepts u can both fight each other till ship destruction without concord or corpmates interfering.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kahor Edited by: Kahor on 29/08/2006 16:49:58 Why not organize this arena yourself, you got the tools, if you want it so much, no prob there, I know of several corps that organize tournaments...
Because it's a time sink, that those who would be interested in, don't have the time for silly...
If it was a game mechanic, where the "gladiators" could fight on a daily basis, day in and day out, and gamblers could use the contract system to bet on the fights with assurance that they will receive their winnings, you would have much more participation...
As it stands right now, someone would organize the tournament, all the gladiators, spectators & gamblers would come to the system, and then you'd probably have BoB show up, lock down the system and kill everyone who didnĘt log off...
So you'd have one event, and no one would never trust to sign up for another one ever again...
One of the problems with this game is timesink du eto organizational duties...
Being able to schedule yourself for a fight, show up, fight, win and go home with your modules knowing that no outside influence can screw with the event is what the whole damn purpose is...
Same thing for all the gamblers... More security, means smore gambling, higer payouyts... Very simple... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:49:00 -
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Arenas in a no warp out zone would be great (huge bubble ?), always a ship exploding and a pod killing guaranteed sounds good to me, best man/woman wins :)
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