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Dominicus Pneuma Ivory Vanguard 4	Posted - 2014.11.18 13:18:06 - [1] - Quote This information and situation is being given to you in confidence, because like myself, I know you are prone to "follow the rules" *cough - inconspicuous whistle -- Listen, I have good people, good crews that work for me on board and planet side. Yes, many are slaves, however, that is by title only. These PEOPLE, work hard, industrious and loyal. A great many have their own families to care for, children to educate for the future and so on. You get the point. Under my care and protection I can only provide so much without sending up a red flag to the Holders. Even if I dare give them what they deserve in ISK, which we all know really isn't a lot, someone's little crony would turn me in for funding an uprising in return for scraps of their masters plate. Here's the short of the long of it. I need to get my hands on a stack of cold hard currency. A continuous supply that can't be traced. Thanks, Dom P.S. Are there other like minds in the Empire, besides us few here?
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 200	Posted - 2014.11.18 14:34:29 - [2] - Quote Monsieur Pneuma, Surely you understand the Empire has eyes on these forums as well, non? "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Karmilla Strife Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 244	Posted - 2014.11.18 14:40:51 - [3] - Quote I would be happy to provide you with a continuous supply of untraceable currency. My fee is 100 million ISK.
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2014.11.18 14:44:39 - [4] - Quote Defect to the Republic, you can pay your crews whatever you see fit. No more worrying about if the empire is going to accuse you of treason for it.
Deitra Vess Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2014.11.18 15:06:53 - [5] - Quote I think the republic doesn't look too kindly on staffing your crew with slaves...... might... you know... wanna let them go first. But be sure to let everyone know you harbor slaves! I'm sure you'll get a warm welcome after all...
Anslo Scope Works 22093	Posted - 2014.11.18 15:11:38 - [6] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Defect to the Republic, you can pay your crews whatever you see fit. No more worrying about if the empire is going to accuse you of treason for it. Yeah what he said. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2014.11.18 15:12:12 - [7] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Defect to the Republic, you can pay your crews whatever you see fit. No more worrying about if the empire is going to accuse you of treason for it. In other words, just get someone to escort your people out. Also, might want to consider investing in dirt-side and station-side security. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Vulxanis Viceroy Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage 168	Posted - 2014.11.18 19:17:16 - [8] - Quote There are far more legal and appropriate ways of providing what your charges need that will last longer than individual paychecks they cannot use in the immediate future. At some point, perhaps, but there is a journey to get there. Feel free to contact me if you are interested. Sincerely, Lord Draconis Fide et honore. Curious about Roleplay in EVE? Message me & I'll help you! (IC note: Vulxanis only responds to "Lord Draconis".)
Shae Mataar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.11.19 05:15:44 - [9] - Quote dom. i do hope you're intelligent enough to realize that vulxi's offer above is not quite all it appears? okay, good. Elmund Egivand wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Defect to the Republic, you can pay your crews whatever you see fit. No more worrying about if the empire is going to accuse you of treason for it. In other words, just get someone to escort your people out. Also, might want to consider investing in dirt-side and station-side security. as for misters egivand and toov here... i cannot lie; good advice on both counts. and should such a move come to pass, well, you'll obviously trust only those you know. but do keep the experienced professionals in mind, would you? i bring that which you fear the most freedom no matter what the price
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1422	Posted - 2014.11.19 08:26:35 - [10] - Quote The deal sounds shady and smells with criminality. "Slaves by title only?"... Well, in the State it is a title, that is outlawed. And if you claim it is just a title, what next? Call for freedom or something (e)qually disgusting?..
Xindi Kraid Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 816	Posted - 2014.11.19 08:43:51 - [11] - Quote If they don't like it, what are the holders supposed to do about you paying slaves? You are an independent capsuleer, they can't do anything about what happens on your ship aside from destroying it.
Shae Mataar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.11.19 08:51:09 - [12] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: The deal sounds shady and smells with criminality. "Slaves by title only?"... Well, in the State it is a title, that is outlawed. And if you claim it is just a title, what next? Call for freedom or something (e)qually disgusting?.. criminality! smells minty! perhaps slight overtones of eucalyptus... oh and nevermind kim. the idea of freed slaves "disgusts" her mostly because of the possible increase in free-market competition. being a good corp wage-slave herself, im /sure/ its nothing personal... i bring that which you fear the most freedom no matter what the price
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1422	Posted - 2014.11.19 09:28:16 - [13] - Quote Shae Mataar wrote: Diana Kim wrote: The deal sounds shady and smells with criminality. "Slaves by title only?"... Well, in the State it is a title, that is outlawed. And if you claim it is just a title, what next? Call for freedom or something (e)qually disgusting?.. criminality! smells minty! perhaps slight overtones of eucalyptus... oh and nevermind kim. the idea of freed slaves "disgusts" her mostly because of the possible increase in free-market competition. being a good corp wage-slave herself, im /sure/ its nothing personal... Slavery, including being slaver or SLAVE in the State is prohibited. Tribal, your attempt at blaming me in being a slave and thus outlaw criminal in the State is a groundless and stupid lie. If you can't bring proofs to your empty words, better keep your mouth shut.
Shaera Taam Khanid Prime Free Irregulars 135	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:35:56 - [14] - Quote Proof positive that even the best joke is not universal. And the worst is a diplomatic-incident waiting to happen... Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4178	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:10:06 - [15] - Quote Shae Mataar wrote: Diana Kim wrote: The deal sounds shady and smells with criminality. "Slaves by title only?"... Well, in the State it is a title, that is outlawed. And if you claim it is just a title, what next? Call for freedom or something (e)qually disgusting?.. criminality! smells minty! perhaps slight overtones of eucalyptus... oh and nevermind kim. the idea of freed slaves "disgusts" her mostly because of the possible increase in free-market competition. being a good corp wage-slave herself, im /sure/ its nothing personal... In my experience criminality smells like unlaundered clothes, drug residue, human waste, drying blood and firearm propellent. Anyway, there's simply no comparison between a slave and a corporate employee. Every corp employee retains, at the very least, the right to walk out on the job if conditions are unbearable. Subject to terms and conditions. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1426	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:44:33 - [16] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Shae Mataar wrote: Diana Kim wrote: The deal sounds shady and smells with criminality. "Slaves by title only?"... Well, in the State it is a title, that is outlawed. And if you claim it is just a title, what next? Call for freedom or something (e)qually disgusting?.. criminality! smells minty! perhaps slight overtones of eucalyptus... oh and nevermind kim. the idea of freed slaves "disgusts" her mostly because of the possible increase in free-market competition. being a good corp wage-slave herself, im /sure/ its nothing personal... In my experience criminality smells like unlaundered clothes, drug residue, human waste, drying blood and firearm propellent. Anyway, there's simply no comparison between a slave and a corporate employee. Every corp employee retains, at the very least, the right to walk out on the job if conditions are unbearable. Subject to terms and conditions. Tuulinen-haan! I think I understand now. These primitive tribals SO dislike work, then they see any hard working personnel they believe it is slaves, and peoples can't work like that unless coerced, that people must just burn their lives idly, jumping around fires with shamans waving sticks at them. These peoples will be just useless to the State, and I feel now so happy and content, that we are fighting against them on the side of the Empire.
Satja Askari Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:05:02 - [17] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Defect to the Republic, you can pay your crews whatever you see fit. No more worrying about if the empire is going to accuse you of treason for it. In other words, just get someone to escort your people out. Also, might want to consider investing in dirt-side and station-side security. If you are going to invest in station-side security you'd do well to buy yourself a company's worth of Genolution clone stocks..... anything less than a cloned soldier would be poor security indeed.
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 77	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:45:36 - [18] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Shae Mataar wrote: Diana Kim wrote: The deal sounds shady and smells with criminality. "Slaves by title only?"... Well, in the State it is a title, that is outlawed. And if you claim it is just a title, what next? Call for freedom or something (e)qually disgusting?.. criminality! smells minty! perhaps slight overtones of eucalyptus... oh and nevermind kim. the idea of freed slaves "disgusts" her mostly because of the possible increase in free-market competition. being a good corp wage-slave herself, im /sure/ its nothing personal... In my experience criminality smells like unlaundered clothes, drug residue, human waste, drying blood and firearm propellent. Anyway, there's simply no comparison between a slave and a corporate employee. Every corp employee retains, at the very least, the right to walk out on the job if conditions are unbearable. Subject to terms and conditions. Tuulinen-haan! I think I understand now. These primitive tribals SO dislike work, then they see any hard working personnel they believe it is slaves, and peoples can't work like that unless coerced, that people must just burn their lives idly, jumping around fires with shamans waving sticks at them. These peoples will be just useless to the State, and I feel now so happy and content, that we are fighting against them on the side of the Empire. Eye twitch The ignorance.... It hurts.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1426	Posted - 2014.11.20 11:35:56 - [19] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Eye twitch The ignorance.... It hurts. I could give you a recommendation to a State Janitor College. They will help you.
Kyllsa Siikanen Gradient 399	Posted - 2014.11.20 12:06:31 - [20] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: inane drivel about laziness. We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years. We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation. We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded. How's retaking CP going for you folks? GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á GÇò C.S. Lewis-á
Anslo Scope Works 22198	Posted - 2014.11.20 12:54:20 - [21] - Quote SHOTS. FIRED. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Xindi Kraid Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 819	Posted - 2014.11.20 13:17:00 - [22] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years. and what has what relevance now? Quote: We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation. Overthrown is a big claim considering the Amarr Empire persists Quote: We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded. You invaded a client State consisting of your own people rather than the Empire itself. Quote: How's retaking CP going for you folks? Not as well as we would like, but not as badly as it could be. Hows freeing ALL the slaves coming? Please don't insult the entire State and the Caldari just because you don't like one of us.
Esan Vartesa Samarkand Financial 323	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:44:14 - [23] - Quote Mr. Kraid, as a close ally of the State and a prolific slave trader who harbors no love for her kind... ...stop being so pedantic. She nailed you folks good.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1426	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:16:05 - [24] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: inane drivel about minmatar accomplishments We beat Minmatar people by both intellect and honor. We frontally assaulted the whole Federation to reclaim our world only after 200 years, and we used the most advanced in the cluster technology. When we lost titan, we have destroyed practically whole attacking group. When minmatars lost their titan and capital fleet at Mekhios, they didn't even scratch Empress fleet. And how is that 'slave liberation' going for you folks?
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:28:29 - [25] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: Diana Kim wrote: inane drivel about laziness. We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years. We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation. We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded. How's retaking CP going for you folks? I like you.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4187	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:32:00 - [26] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: Diana Kim wrote: inane drivel about laziness. We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years. We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation. We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded. How's retaking CP going for you folks? Kyllsa... We lived on a planet that makes yours look like a garden. What you call winter we call summer. Is it any wonder you beat us into space? You managed to wound and escape the LARGEST military empire in the world - once it had been blunted by the Jovian Empire and with the help of the Gallente. We wounded and escaped the BEST military empire in the word and we had no help at all. After seven hundred years you have your home planet back. After two hundred years we have most of ours back. It's going fine, thank you very much. You frontally assaulted the mandate, which went well. You then frontally assaulted the REST of the Empire and got your asses handed to you. I suspect you got more slaves from Jamyl's decision to hand some over than you did from the most ruinously expensive fleet operation in New Edens history. Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa. Haven't you learned that when you attack an entire people to prove their village idiot wrong, you do yourself far more harm than good. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4187	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:33:35 - [27] - Quote Esan Vartesa wrote: Mr. Kraid, as a close ally of the State and a prolific slave trader who harbors no love for her kind... ...stop being so pedantic. She nailed you folks good. She had to stretch several points beyond the point of breaking to do it and, as usual, when she did so she called attention to two failings of her people for every so-called victory. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Claudia Osyn The Scope Gallente Federation 984	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:26:44 - [28] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: inane drivel about minmatar accomplishments We beat Minmatar people by both intellect and honor. We frontally assaulted the whole Federation to reclaim our world only after 200 years, and we used the most advanced in the cluster technology. When we lost titan, we have destroyed practically whole attacking group. When minmatars lost their titan and capital fleet at Mekhios, they didn't even scratch Empress fleet. And how is that 'slave liberation' going for you folks? You gotta ask yourself, how did that titan even reach Gallente space without CONCORD intervention?pÇÇ The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4189	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:41:17 - [29] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: inane drivel about minmatar accomplishments We beat Minmatar people by both intellect and honor. We frontally assaulted the whole Federation to reclaim our world only after 200 years, and we used the most advanced in the cluster technology. When we lost titan, we have destroyed practically whole attacking group. When minmatars lost their titan and capital fleet at Mekhios, they didn't even scratch Empress fleet. And how is that 'slave liberation' going for you folks? You gotta ask yourself, how did that titan even reach Gallente space without CONCORD intervention?pÇÇ Ironically, Yulai was taken out by a fleet paid for by the Gallente Federation. Shame that your allies somehow leaked their plans to Beth without giving YOU a heads up. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Caellach Marellus Stormcrows 1561	Posted - 2014.11.20 23:34:06 - [30] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: We wounded and escaped the BEST military empire in the word and we had no help at all. Well bar the technological advances made by both parties during their alliance. The Federation is certainly adapt at being shot with the weapons it helped others arm themselves with. Also let's not throw the word honour around here, when push comes to shove the Amarrians are actually the only ones who engaged in hostile action during ratified peace time and made amends for it with clear internal punishment and an apology that was more than simply words to the offended party. I think they've got us all firmly beat when it comes to honour. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4189	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:59:25 - [31] - Quote Honour? Honour is a cloak of mist and rain spun out of words and then used to decorate the bodies of the dead and the ruins of defeat. It will not right a wrong, feed a child, free a slave, relieve a beleagured garrison or comfort a widow. A woman much smarter than myself taught me a long time hence that honour and duty are incompatible. You cannot serve both. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 861	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:00:38 - [32] - Quote It is easy to call them incompatible as an excuse to avoid making the effort to follow both.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4189	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:22:31 - [33] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: It is easy to call them incompatible as an excuse to avoid making the effort to follow both. Try it. You'll either flinch from Duty because of Honour or cast aside Honour to perform your Duty. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 861	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:40:41 - [34] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: It is easy to call them incompatible as an excuse to avoid making the effort to follow both. Try it. You'll either flinch from Duty because of Honour or cast aside Honour to perform your Duty. Duty is honor, Pieter. Being dishonorable is failing your duty, and failing your duty is dishonorable.
Anslo Scope Works 22302	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:42:54 - [35] - Quote So once again we go from the OP to... What, argument type 3 iteration 346622875 grr [insert empire here]? Oh well. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2014.11.21 04:06:13 - [36] - Quote Anslo wrote: So once again we go from the OP to... What, argument type 3 iteration 346622875 grr [insert empire here]? Oh well. arguement type 3 iteration 346622876.5, actually....
Shae Mataar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2014.11.21 09:54:59 - [37] - Quote /eyes popcorn made with rocks and sticks and throws it into fire i hate popcorn i hate politics more kim, i called you a wage slave, because like any uneducated slave, you are terrified of being separated from your master. yes, you draw a wage, but you are still trapped in your position, unable to quit because your life, your accomplishments, your very soul, belong to your master. but instead of bowing to a holder, your master is the state. both demand unwavering loyalty and both carry hidden lashes to swiftly punish any transgression with brutal efficiency. i am unafraid of hard work. i am also unafraid of educating myself. i am a free woman, kim. you could be as well i bring that which you fear the most freedom no matter what the price
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4190	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:46:26 - [38] - Quote Freedom being just another word for alone, in those case? Whilst our culture is the reason we don't,and never will have slavery, going it alone is a euphemism for death in the Caldari mindset. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Shae Mataar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:08:45 - [39] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Freedom being just another word for alone, in those case? no, pieter-haan, although i quite understand why you would ask that. no, freedom is the ability to /choose/ to be alone, if necessary. it is not forced upon you. the converse is also true. i could draw many more comparisons and draw many more lines of division. this, i think, would be a bad idea. the last thing we need is more divisions. and to kim... i... i owe you an apology. my original post above was a poorly conceived joke was not intended to be an insult. i do hope you understand that. i will take my leave now. good day. i bring that which you fear the most freedom no matter what the price
Kyllsa Siikanen Gradient 403	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:25:52 - [40] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa. Isn't it disappointing when someone you think highly of lets you down by a failure of character? Damn. I just hate that. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á GÇò C.S. Lewis-á
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4193	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:32:04 - [41] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa. Isn't it disappointing when someone you think highly of lets you down by a failure of character? Damn. I just hate that. I understand the source of your anger. Since I can do nothing to change it, I accept it. I'm not quite sure what the State did to earn your anger, however. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Anslo Scope Works 22316	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:33:26 - [42] - Quote So, OP, how goes the hunt or search or whatever for that currency? How are your crew? [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4193	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:07:33 - [43] - Quote Shae Mataar wrote: no, pieter-haan, although i quite understand why you would ask that. no, freedom is the ability to /choose/ to be alone, if necessary. it is not forced upon you. the converse is also true. The Caldari have always understood and permitted the choice for people to step outside of our system. It is a fundamental right of all citizens. The State, however, makes no attempt to soften the consequences of this choice - in our earliest days this was literally suicide, since the only method of living that was viable was community living. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Kyllsa Siikanen Gradient 403	Posted - 2014.11.22 11:35:45 - [44] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa. Isn't it disappointing when someone you think highly of lets you down by a failure of character? Damn. I just hate that. I understand the source of your anger. Since I can do nothing to change it, I accept it. I'm not quite sure what the State did to earn your anger, however. Pieter, the State did nothing; if I had to pick a place to live beyond the Republic, I would choose to live there. I have nothing but respect for your people, and nation, even if I question the wisdom of your choices in allies. I gave a sarcastic, snarky reply to an uninformed, hate-filled post, to both point out that my people are ANYTHING but "lazy" and to show the ridiculousness of such claims. I suppose I did well, mm? GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á GÇò C.S. Lewis-á
Anslo Scope Works 22335	Posted - 2014.11.22 13:44:21 - [45] - Quote Oh my ***** Gods on high and you people * about Diana making every thread about grr Empire. man. I give up. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]**
Jvpiter Jovelike 2030	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:41:17 - [46] - Quote In the end, it is my belief that people should at the very least be treated as people. Though the irony is not lost on me, I must say Dominicus Pneuma, you are doing God's work. My finances are limited, but I can offer to funnel currency of a limited quantity for you completely free of charge. Call me Joe.
Jvpiter Jovelike 2030	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:44:19 - [47] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa. Haven't you learned that when you attack an entire people to prove their village idiot wrong, you do yourself far more harm than good. Today, I discovered laughter. Call me Joe.
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 314	Posted - 2014.11.23 08:26:35 - [48] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I suppose I did well, mm? No, you really didn't. I was raised and taught to revere all Elders, Khargai, Mystics and Shamen, irrespective of their clan or tribe. But you make it very difficult for me sometimes. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1428	Posted - 2014.11.23 11:11:03 - [49] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Honour? Honour is a cloak of mist and rain spun out of words and then used to decorate the bodies of the dead and the ruins of defeat. It will not right a wrong, feed a child, free a slave, relieve a beleagured garrison or comfort a widow. A woman much smarter than myself taught me a long time hence that honour and duty are incompatible. You cannot serve both. What in the Maker's name are you talking about?... You MUST serve both. I have no idea who was that BEEP who taught you this BEEP, but I'd like to have you for a conversation to try to repair damage that that BEEP did.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1428	Posted - 2014.11.23 11:15:47 - [50] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Shae Mataar wrote: no, pieter-haan, although i quite understand why you would ask that. no, freedom is the ability to /choose/ to be alone, if necessary. it is not forced upon you. the converse is also true. The Caldari have always understood and permitted the choice for people to step outside of our system. It is a fundamental right of all citizens. The State, however, makes no attempt to soften the consequences of this choice - in our earliest days this was literally suicide, since the only method of living that was viable was community living. In fact, in the State putting you outside of our system is considered a capital punishment, as many peoples would prefer death to this. If peoples want to leave what the State gives them, well, haha, their choice. Pity creatures.
Kyllsa Siikanen Gradient 403	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:25:49 - [51] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I suppose I did well, mm? No, you really didn't. I was raised and taught to revere all Elders, Khargai, Mystics and Shamen, irrespective of their clan or tribe. But you make it very difficult for me sometimes. I am not infallible. I am sorry. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á GÇò C.S. Lewis-á
Dominicus Pneuma Ivory Vanguard 4	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:54:04 - [52] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: In the end, it is my belief that people should at the very least be treated as people. Though the irony is not lost on me, I must say Dominicus Pneuma, you are doing God's work. My finances are limited, but I can offer to funnel currency of a limited quantity for you completely free of charge. Thank you Jvpiter, the red tape of this inquiry will be well worthwhile to the many whom chosen to remain in my charge.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4235	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:57:05 - [53] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Honour? Honour is a cloak of mist and rain spun out of words and then used to decorate the bodies of the dead and the ruins of defeat. It will not right a wrong, feed a child, free a slave, relieve a beleagured garrison or comfort a widow. A woman much smarter than myself taught me a long time hence that honour and duty are incompatible. You cannot serve both. What in the Maker's name are you talking about?... You MUST serve both. I have no idea who was that BEEP who taught you this BEEP, but I'd like to have you for a conversation to try to repair damage that that BEEP did. We should have that talk. Believe me, I'd prefer it if you were right. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Shae Mataar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:40:58 - [54] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Shae Mataar wrote: no, pieter-haan, although i quite understand why you would ask that. no, freedom is the ability to /choose/ to be alone, if necessary. it is not forced upon you. the converse is also true. The Caldari have always understood and permitted the choice for people to step outside of our system. It is a fundamental right of all citizens. The State, however, makes no attempt to soften the consequences of this choice - in our earliest days this was literally suicide, since the only method of living that was viable was community living. In fact, in the State putting you outside of our system is considered a capital punishment, as many peoples would prefer death to this. If peoples want to leave what the State gives them, well, haha, their choice. Pity creatures. and thusly we come to the philosophical core of my ill-conceived joke from earlier on. how can a member of a society be /truly/ free if that society indoctrinates one and only one way for its function? no man is free if he has no choice in his vocation, no matter how much he is paid. and please do understand, i do not make this statement as a provocation or a challenge. it is my fervent belief that every man, regardless of nation, station or birth, has the fundamental /right/ to choose where to direct his own path. it is then his /responsibility/ to deal with the obstacles there and the consequences of his actions. yes, i realize that these are all absurd over-generalizations. and yes, i also realize that these arguments butt right up to the 'can a man ever be truly free?' question. i fully realize the folly of the first and overwhelmingly-negative answer for the second. i guess it all comes down to one very basic idea: freedom is a clarity of vision, a choice, and a struggle. It is not a state of being i bring that which you fear the most freedom no matter what the price
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 4076	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:49:31 - [55] - Quote Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: Pieter, the State did nothing; if I had to pick a place to live beyond the Republic, I would choose to live there. I have nothing but respect for your people, and nation, even if I question the wisdom of your choices in allies. I question our choice in allies too. So, I think, do many. But the State likes to believe itself to be founded on pragmatism, and so pursues the trading partner who can make us the richest. Of course, that claim is demonstrated as being clearly false by the fact that said partner would actually be the Federation. (cue outraged wailing and accusations of treason). It's further falsified by the fact that development, infrastructure and security contracts with the Tribes could be very lucrative for us, probably more so than importing bulk Amarrian food and exporting Caldari industrial products. The fact that no such arrangements exist implies to me that the Empire is bribing us. Which really, I'm okay with. It'd be nice and refreshing if we just openly acknowledged that our affections are purely mercenary and got on with the business of negotiating a better deal. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4235	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:05:23 - [56] - Quote Stitcher wrote: The fact that no such arrangements exist implies to me that the Empire is bribing us. Which really, I'm okay with. It'd be nice and refreshing if we just openly acknowledged that our affections are purely mercenary and got on with the business of negotiating a better deal. Verin, you need to come out of that hole and take a look around a bit more. People like me are no longer even slightly outraged at working with the Federation, since the major sticking point against it was removed. And I've been brutally honest about why I'm okay with working for Her Imperial Majesty. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Shaera Taam Khanid Prime Free Irregulars 141	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:06:53 - [57] - Quote Stitcher wrote: The fact that no such arrangements exist implies to me that the Empire is bribing us. Which really, I'm okay with. It'd be nice and refreshing if we just openly acknowledged that our affections are purely mercenary and got on with the business of negotiating a better deal. I cannot overstate how refreshing this would be. Quite impossible, of course, as the shift in the balance of power would disadvantage entirely too many people in positions of authority... but here I go again, stating the obvious... apologies! Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 4076	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:11:01 - [58] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Verin, you need to come out of that hole and take a look around a bit more. People like me are no longer even slightly outraged at working with the Federation, since the major sticking point against it was removed. And I've been brutally honest about why I'm okay with working for Her Imperial Majesty. People like you, little brother, are in the minority. You're a capsuleer, remember. By definition, you've already chosen to step outside the mainstream of Caldari thought and behaviour. Any statements made by any of us on the thrust of general Caldari opinion must be considered as very well-informed speculation at best. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Xindi Kraid Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 825	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:31:23 - [59] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: Pieter, the State did nothing; if I had to pick a place to live beyond the Republic, I would choose to live there. I have nothing but respect for your people, and nation, even if I question the wisdom of your choices in allies. I question our choice in allies too. So, I think, do many. But the State likes to believe itself to be founded on pragmatism, and so pursues the trading partner who can make us the richest. Of course, that claim is demonstrated as being clearly false by the fact that said partner would actually be the Federation. (cue outraged wailing and accusations of treason). It's further falsified by the fact that development, infrastructure and security contracts with the Tribes could be very lucrative for us, probably more so than importing bulk Amarrian food and exporting Caldari industrial products. The fact that no such arrangements exist implies to me that the Empire is bribing us. Which really, I'm okay with. It'd be nice and refreshing if we just openly acknowledged that our affections are purely mercenary and got on with the business of negotiating a better deal. Hakatain, where have you been hiding? I was just thinking to myself the other day how much I miss your input. === Unfortunately, I agree that the Federation would be the best trading partner, and despite our vast differences, I actually think we would be most compatible with them in general. It should, of course be pointed out that most of the extranational corporations with the biggest influence on the State are Gallente ones. I do suppose it makes some sort of sense, though our methods are different the system of Corporations in general was introduced to us by the Gallente, and we do have a shared history with them we don't with the Minmatar of Amarr. Ironically, the Amarr whom we are now allies with were one of the big reasons the State and the Federation sought peace between themselves because we wanted to be able to counteract any of their expansionist policies. Still the reason the State and Federation aren't allies is the couple pf sticking points that have been there since we originally seceded, the main one being home. Even if that is resolved, though, I think the proxy wars under the CEWPA will prevent any attempts at forming alliances. I fear the economic impact in the short term may be too lucrative for some of the parties involved to see the long term benefits of peace. As for the Republic, that is pure pragmatism. They have long been associated with the Federation, so when the CEWPA was signed, those two linked up, and the Republic and the State allying after that would represent a conflict of interest. As the Jove don't involve themselves with us directly, that only left us the option of standing alone or pairing up with the Amarr. Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Verin, you need to come out of that hole and take a look around a bit more. People like me are no longer even slightly outraged at working with the Federation, since the major sticking point against it was removed. And I've been brutally honest about why I'm okay with working for Her Imperial Majesty. I should note the main sticking point isn't ENTIRELY removed quite yet. While I will agree the situation is much improved, and I don't think that specifically would interfere with attempts at cooperation, much work remains to be done. Again, though, this business in Black Rise and Placid are highly disruptive. Stitcher wrote: People like you, little brother, are in the minority. You're a capsuleer, remember. By definition, you've already chosen to step outside the mainstream of Caldari thought and behaviour. Any statements made by any of us on the thrust of general Caldari opinion must be considered as very well-informed speculation at best. Indeed. As much as we may still attempt to serve the State; we are very much outsiders now. I know my own parent corporation, Ishukone, as well as the Watch only trust me slightly more than the average capsuleer despite my history with them, and much of my relationship with the Navy has had to be rebuilt since I graduated from the State War Academy.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1440	Posted - 2014.11.25 11:05:18 - [60] - Quote Shae Mataar wrote: Diana Kim wrote: In fact, in the State putting you outside of our system is considered a capital punishment, as many peoples would prefer death to this. If peoples want to leave what the State gives them, well, haha, their choice. Pity creatures. and thusly we come to the philosophical core of my ill-conceived joke from earlier on. how can a member of a society be /truly/ free if that society indoctrinates one and only one way for its function? no man is free if he has no choice in his vocation, no matter how much he is paid. and please do understand, i do not make this statement as a provocation or a challenge. And I agree with you. Those, who want to be truly free, can do this by going into woods and run around naked with wild animals like a wild animal. When peoples are smart, they choose the civilization instead of the freedom. Shae Mataar wrote: it is my fervent belief that every man, regardless of nation, station or birth, has the fundamental /right/ to choose where to direct his own path. it is then his /responsibility/ to deal with the obstacles there and the consequences of his actions. And my belief that only the Maker can decide the paths. We have our own fates and destinies, you can't decide just what you want, you can only decide between right and wrong. And if you are choosing wise and bravely, then your path will lead you to the helping to others and greater good. Or you are choosing wrong and cowardly, and you will end covering yourself in disgrace. Shae Mataar wrote: yes, i realize that these are all absurd over-generalizations. and yes, i also realize that these arguments butt right up to the 'can a man ever be truly free?' question. i fully realize the folly of the first and overwhelmingly-negative answer for the second. i guess it all comes down to one very basic idea: freedom is a clarity of vision, a choice, and a struggle. It is not a state of being I can't agree, however, with this idea, because clarity of a vision is ability of your mind and it doesn't depend on limitations or absence of limitations that freedom or lack of it can impose onto you. And speaking about freedom and lack of it, with clear vision you will have an ability to estimate profit you gain from freedom and compare it to profit you will gain without freedom, and you will be able to make a decision based on which path is greater for the society, or which is better for you. A choice... a choice isn't a quality of a freedom as well, because you always have a choice. For example, killing yourself or staying alive, if you disgrace yourself. Violating the law and getting consequences, or following the strict rule, that you aren't agree with. All our actions and decisions are choices, with freedom or without. Even to live free or to live civilized, is a choice you can make any time and any moment. And if some are forced to live in environment they don't want, they again has a choice to living in this environment... or finishing with their lives once and forever. The struggle is again present both with freedom and without. With freedom you will struggle against everyone, to get a piece of food, a place to sleep, or just for whatever you want and others have it. Without freedom, you will struggle for those you love, for the society, for the greater good. You will struggle because it will be a right thing to do, you will struggle to protect others and to create better future for your children. Without poverty, chaos and freedom. Okay, so far I was saying what qualities are not freedom. What I consider is freedom, are these ideas: lack of laws, lack of morals, lack of friends, lack of love, lack of superiors, lack of teachers, lack of compassion, and finally, lack of any possessions.
Shae Mataar Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2014.11.25 20:52:07 - [61] - Quote Shae Mataar wrote: i guess it all comes down to one very basic idea: freedom is a clarity of vision, a choice, and a struggle. It is not a state of being Diana Kim wrote: What I consider is freedom, are these ideas: lack of laws, lack of morals, lack of friends, lack of love, lack of superiors, lack of teachers, lack of compassion, and finally, lack of any possessions. what you describe is not freedom. i am willing to try much for those who are lost, kim-meshii, but i can do nothing for the willfully ignorant. i am done with you. i bring that which you fear the most freedom no matter what the price
Anslo Scope Works 22608	Posted - 2014.11.25 20:57:32 - [62] - Quote Don't bother Shae, trust me. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:33:57 - [63] - Quote It was going so well too. I was successfully ignoring her, hiding all her posts, then people start quoting her. Q.Q It's not fair.... trying to type all this on a broken phone at work sucks.
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 323	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:00:07 - [64] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Those, who want to be truly free, can do this by going into woods and run around naked with wild animals like a wild animal. Is that a thing? Sounds fun! Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1445	Posted - 2014.11.26 07:21:08 - [65] - Quote Shae Mataar wrote: Shae Mataar wrote: i guess it all comes down to one very basic idea: freedom is a clarity of vision, a choice, and a struggle. It is not a state of being Diana Kim wrote: What I consider is freedom, are these ideas: lack of laws, lack of morals, lack of friends, lack of love, lack of superiors, lack of teachers, lack of compassion, and finally, lack of any possessions. what you describe is not freedom. i am willing to try much for those who are lost, kim-meshii, but i can do nothing for the willfully ignorant. i am done with you. For Maker's sake. Now I feel sorry for wasting time, trying to talk about philosophy with another minmatar, who just brings claims without proof and blaming me to be ignorant. If they can't talk peacefully without insults even about harmless topics like philosophy, what would you want from them when it comes down to life important matters, diplomacy, peace, war, survival, and so on?.. Dear Imperials, please take this Mataar already back to slavery and don't let these people again out from slave pens. They don't deserve civilization and shouldn't be allowed in civilized societies. Thanks.

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