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Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 19:26:23 - [1] - Quote Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this. If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic. Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now. It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all. It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today. Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way. So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE. /Fenix Neutrino
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 506	Posted - 2014.11.18 19:45:05 - [2] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this. If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic. Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now. It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all. It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today. Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way. So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE. /Fenix Neutrino I love these kinds of tears
Paranoid Loyd 2663	Posted - 2014.11.18 19:45:06 - [3] - Quote Sigh, you obviously have no clue so I wont even try. Lets just leave it at no. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 6964	Posted - 2014.11.18 19:45:24 - [4] - Quote what "problem" are you trying to solve again? "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Foreman Yang The Church of Gary Busey Spaceships in Space 10	Posted - 2014.11.18 19:51:50 - [5] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this. If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic. Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now. It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all. It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today. Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way. So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE. /Fenix Neutrino Oh dear. Another nerf ganking thread. Contrary to what the general window licking population might lead you to believe, NO ship is ever completely defenseless. Hundreds of pages worth of comments have been made in these forums on how to defend yourself against ganks. You're right though. "It's not fair" that you should have to think while playing this game.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 754	Posted - 2014.11.18 20:30:32 - [6] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all. This is a common misconception. Pilots at -5 and below travel through hisec at the risk of getting any ships they are piloting destroyed by NPCS or players, and the risk of having any pods destroyed by players as well. This severely limits their gameplay options to the point where pretty much all they can do in space in hisec is suicide gank; they can't stay in space in a ship long enough to effectively do anything else. That's a considerable punishment. I find the rules of hisec rather poetic actually: suicide gank too much and eventually that's all you can do. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
Renegade Heart Holes Angels Gone Critical 284	Posted - 2014.11.18 20:34:32 - [7] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: the risk of having any pods destroyed by players as well I shot the pod of an outlaw trying to dock up in a trade hub. He lost 2.4 billion isk worth of implants. How is that for punishment?
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3632	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:09:07 - [8] - Quote Posts like this are a cancer on the forums, and require chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is painful. The doctor in this case prescribes that three innocent carebears will be killed, and they will be told the ship losses are entirely due to this post. Maybe you will find it in your heart to reimburse their losses. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are increasing. Get your permit now. Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 287	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:06:07 - [9] - Quote Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 hours for -10s?
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:54:28 - [10] - Quote Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry? That just shows what ppl that plays EVE. But on topic. Why is it fair that -10 sec stat can travel freely in pod without Concord or police to intercept? Why is it fair that repeated criminal behaviour wihtin a time frame is not stacked together? It's really to easy today to be a criminal, you have nothing that force you to select your target before gank. You can mass gank and that's wrong. If you want to mass gank, go to null or something. In high sec it should be harder for mass ganks that are repeated over and over again with the same character etc. As soon as someone try to talk about a problem that exists that gives gankers an unfair advantage they puke all over their computers. Why don't you want a fair game on booth parts? What are you afraid of if you need to think about the victim before a gank? Yes, you can't gank all day long and why should you be able to do that when in high sec? If there is a problem with tanked mining ships that you so eager want to nerf why shouldn't the criminal GCC have a look?
Michael Ignis Archangel Caveat Emptor Technologies LP Spaceship Samurai 56	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:07:14 - [11] - Quote Fine then, on topic. Fenix Neutrino wrote: Why is it fair that -10 sec stat can travel freely in pod without Concord or police to intercept? Because no NPC's pod you. Has been forever-ever. Next. Fenix Neutrino wrote: Why is it fair that repeated criminal behaviour wihtin a time frame is not stacked together? Incorrect. It is. You're unable to fly a ship in high-sec for 15 minutes. The time frame is 15 minutes. Next. Fenix Neutrino wrote: It's really to easy today to be a criminal, Really? Enthrall me with your attempts and mastery of it. Fenix Neutrino wrote: You can mass gank and that's wrong. The mass ganking of NPC's continues unabated. Think of the red crosses' children! Fenix Neutrino wrote: If you want to mass gank, go to null or something. In high sec it should be harder for mass ganks that are repeated over and over again with the same character etc. As soon as someone try to talk about a problem that exists that gives gankers an unfair advantage they puke all over their computers. Why don't you want a fair game on booth parts? What are you afraid of if you need to think about the victim before a gank? Yes, you can't gank all day long and why should you be able to do that when in high sec? If there is a problem with tanked mining ships that you so eager want to nerf why shouldn't the criminal GCC have a look? Oh dear, I've run out of quotes. All of Eve is unsafe. The lack of safety has different manifestations, and different counters to them. The game is fair - the smarter, more knowledgeable, better-prepared, and more extensively allied win. You do have to select your targets - an untanked Covetor versus a brick-Skiff require vastly different approaches. Working as intended, wise up, dropping mic now.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 21546	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:11:00 - [12] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry? That just shows what ppl that plays EVE. But on topic. Why is it fair that -10 sec stat can travel freely in pod without Concord or police to intercept? Why is it fair that repeated criminal behaviour wihtin a time frame is not stacked together? What is this fair you're talking about? What harm can a -10 do with a pod? Why should GCC timers stack? At most a ganker can hit 4 targets an hour, they're probably outside for less than 5 minutes in any one hour. Quote: It's really to easy today to be a criminal, you have nothing that force you to select your target before gank. You can mass gank and that's wrong. If you want to mass gank, go to null or something. In high sec it should be harder for mass ganks that are repeated over and over again with the same character etc. If it's so easy why are there so few doing it? Quote: As soon as someone try to talk about a problem that exists that gives gankers an unfair advantage they puke all over their computers. Everybody has the same tools, the problem that you see as an unfair advantage isn't a game problem it's a people problem. The advantage that gankers have largely disappears when people tank their ships, don't go afk/ AP Quote: Why don't you want a fair game on booth parts? What are you afraid of if you need to think about the victim before a gank? Yes, you can't gank all day long and why should you be able to do that when in high sec? Why shouldn't it go on in highsec? Highsec is where all the loot is, highsec is where the people who can't be bothered to be ATK, refuse to tank their ships and use autopilot are. Quote: If there is a problem with tanked mining ships that you so eager want to nerf why shouldn't the criminal GCC have a look? I love my Skiff and Procurer, they're basically Volvo's, with drones. "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1806	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:12:55 - [13] - Quote Freaking news flash: Criminal activity in EVE is a type of gameplay, it is intended for people to be able to do it. It is not an actual crime. If the point was for people to not engage in criminal activity CCP could trivially remove the ability of players to shoot eachother in whatever type of place they wanted to. Also seeing as you clearly have no god damned idea how gankers actually behave I suggest trying "mass ganking" random targets and seeing how profitable that actually is.
Paranoid Loyd 2663	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:25:32 - [14] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry? That just shows what ppl that plays EVE. You are obviously already angry, we don't need to try. All this shows is in EVE there are the players that whine and the players that laugh at them. You are whining we are laughing at you. As has been suggested go try to gank and come back and demonstrate to us how easy it is, until then you have no say in the matter. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:26:56 - [15] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Freaking news flash: Criminal activity in EVE is a type of gameplay, it is intended for people to be able to do it. It is not an actual crime. If the point was for people to not engage in criminal activity CCP could trivially remove the ability of players to shoot eachother in whatever type of place they wanted to. Also seeing as you clearly have no god damned idea how gankers actually behave I suggest trying "mass ganking" random targets and seeing how profitable that actually is. So you really think that just because they allow criminal activity as a part of the game it should never change at all? I think boot sides need a constant look at all mechanics etc. As long as one part tries to keep the other part silent there will be no fair game play. I listen all kind of sides in EVE so this was just a suggestion from me.
Sasha Cohenberg The Conference Elite CODE. 0	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:30:22 - [16] - Quote Why should we get stackable timers for whenever we want to pvp. It's bad enough already that I have to wait 15 minutes to engage another honorable warrior in space bushido.
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:30:39 - [17] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry? That just shows what ppl that plays EVE. You are obviously already angry, we don't need to try. All this shows is in EVE there are the players that whine and the players that laugh at them. You are whining we are laughing at you. As has been suggested go try to gank and come back and tell us how easy it is. That's good ;) Keep laughing and we might get a better world. I'm not a criminal so that will never happen. And still, it was just a suggestion and nothing else so keep the whining to yourself ;)
Paranoid Loyd 2663	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:34:25 - [18] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: it was just a suggestion Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:37:08 - [19] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: it was just a suggestion Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever. And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1806	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:42:40 - [20] - Quote The game has over the years constantly changed in favor of harsher and harsher penalties for gankers. The penalties that exist now are more severe than they have ever been and concord has always gotten more and more powerful, in fact it's literally against the rules to not be killed by them. There aren't even two sides to it, ganking has never gotten buffed, concord hasn't evern had its response times increased or capabilities reduced, just more penalties, more effective concord, shorter response times, nowadays you're even magically prevented from warping while GCC. Ganking for profit is much, much more difficult and expensive than it was even a few years ago. Gankers have endured more direct nerfs to their playstyle than any other group of players in the game, the fact that they continue to make a profit in spite of that is a testament to their dedication and you don't find them endlessly whining on the forums to get the game changed to penalize other players because they dislike their gameplay style. Those people are freaking saints. They take an endless shitting on from CCP and rather than complaining about it they adapt and soldier on, all the while other people who don't respect their right to play the game how they please petition CCP to make the game worse for the gankers. Shove off, and take your desire to have other people arbitrarily punished for playing the game in a way you don't like back under whatever rocked you crawled from under.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 21547	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:48:09 - [21] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: it was just a suggestion Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever. And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion. How is it not balanced? You can't just turn round and say it's not balanced without having a reasonable explanation of why you feel that way. As it is we have your opinion that "it's not fair".... "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:49:19 - [22] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: The game has over the years constantly changed in favor of harsher and harsher penalties for gankers. The penalties that exist now are more severe than they have ever been and concord has always gotten more and more powerful, in fact it's literally against the rules to not be killed by them. There aren't even two sides to it, ganking has never gotten buffed, concord hasn't evern had its response times increased or capabilities reduced, just more penalties, more effective concord, shorter response times, nowadays you're even magically prevented from warping while GCC. Ganking for profit is much, much more difficult and expensive than it was even a few years ago. Gankers have endured more direct nerfs to their playstyle than any other group of players in the game, the fact that they continue to make a profit in spite of that is a testament to their dedication and you don't find them endlessly whining on the forums to get the game changed to penalize other players because they dislike their gameplay style. Those people are freaking saints. They take an endless shitting on from CCP and rather than complaining about it they adapt and soldier on, all the while other people who don't respect their right to play the game how they please petition CCP to make the game worse for the gankers. Shove off, and take your desire to have other people arbitrarily punished for playing the game in a way you don't like back under whatever rocked you crawled from under. Since I don't even stay in high sec you can crawl back under the same rock as me ;) Don't gankers whine? There is a thread about Skiffs being to hard to kill for a solo ganker etc so yes they whine when they don't get what they want. But we stop here and now. I now know that you don't like the stacked GCC.
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:51:37 - [23] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: it was just a suggestion Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever. And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion. How is it not balanced? You can't just turn round and say it's not balanced without having a reasonable explanation of why you feel that way. As it is we have your opinion that "it's not fair".... If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something. But as I just said. I get the point, you don't like the stacked GCC so we stop here and now.
Paranoid Loyd 2663	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:54:29 - [24] - Quote It's not about like or don't like, its about making suggestions about mechanics you understand. You just said you don't live in high sec, so why do you think you have any right to comment on it's mechanics? You don't see me putting in my two cents about how sov should be, you know why? Because I know I am ignorant to how those mechanics currently work and am not in any position to have an opinion. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 21547	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:01:28 - [25] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: it was just a suggestion Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever. And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion. How is it not balanced? You can't just turn round and say it's not balanced without having a reasonable explanation of why you feel that way. As it is we have your opinion that "it's not fair".... If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something. But as I just said. I get the point, you don't like the stacked GCC so we stop here and now. You misunderstand where I stand, I don't do ship to ship PvP, I mine, I run missions, I do a little exploration, I trade on the markets, in short I am a bear. I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target. I don't go afk, I don't use AP, I actually tank my haulers, expensive stuff gets farmed out to RF or PushX with the right collateral, I use a Procurer or a Skiff to mine. Unless I'm the only prey in the system most gankers will take the easier target. TL;DR I'm a bear, I make sure that I'm harder to kill than the bear next to me. That is the balance "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Paranoid Loyd 2663	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:12:33 - [26] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target. Knowledge tank, best tank. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:19:09 - [27] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: You misunderstand where I stand, I don't do ship to ship PvP, I mine, I run missions, I do a little exploration, I trade on the markets, in short I am a bear. I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target. I don't go afk, I don't use AP, I actually tank my haulers, expensive stuff gets farmed out to RF or PushX with the right collateral, I use a Procurer or a Skiff to mine. Unless I'm the only prey in the system most gankers will take the easier target. TL;DR I'm a bear, I make sure that I'm harder to kill than the bear next to me. Therein is the balance, I use the options available to me and I'm hard to kill easily. Sorry for that, thanks for explaining your position. It's hard to balance a game and make all players happy. Fly safe! And to everyone else. I didn't really want to lit the flame as you might have thought. I just gave a suggestion that you didn't like, that's all.
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:20:13 - [28] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target. Knowledge tank, best tank. That's a truth that will never change anywhere. Fly safe or unsafe if you are on that part ;)
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 21547	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:27:53 - [29] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target. Knowledge tank, best tank. Half the fun is in watching everybody around you explode because you're the sole Skiff in the belt/ice anom, or flying through Uedama in a T1 hauler that aligns like a cruiser and packs 40k+ EHP. Gankers are part of my content, they make life interesting, albeit mostly for others "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Eldwinn SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel 82	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:28:46 - [30] - Quote Came into thread expecting gold tears. I am disappointed OP. The agreement of C&P is you post tears then leave. Not explain yourself and defend yourself properly. However no to your idea. Just no.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3633	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:42:14 - [31] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target. Knowledge tank, best tank. Half the fun is in watching everybody around you explode because you're the sole Skiff in the belt/ice anom, or flying through Uedama in a T1 hauler that aligns like a cruiser and packs 40k+ EHP. Gankers are part of my content, they make life interesting, albeit mostly for others Exactly, if it weren't for people like me, Jonah would have more competition. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are increasing. Get your permit now. Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Jurico Elemenohpe Laughing Coffin's Surely You're Joking 13	Posted - 2014.11.19 01:49:45 - [32] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: The game has over the years constantly changed in favor of harsher and harsher penalties for gankers. The penalties that exist now are more severe than they have ever been and concord has always gotten more and more powerful, in fact it's literally against the rules to not be killed by them. There aren't even two sides to it, ganking has never gotten buffed, concord hasn't evern had its response times increased or capabilities reduced, just more penalties, more effective concord, shorter response times, nowadays you're even magically prevented from warping while GCC. Ganking for profit is much, much more difficult and expensive than it was even a few years ago. Gankers have endured more direct nerfs to their playstyle than any other group of players in the game, the fact that they continue to make a profit in spite of that is a testament to their dedication and you don't find them endlessly whining on the forums to get the game changed to penalize other players because they dislike their gameplay style. Those people are freaking saints. They take an endless shitting on from CCP and rather than complaining about it they adapt and soldier on, all the while other people who don't respect their right to play the game how they please petition CCP to make the game worse for the gankers. Shove off, and take your desire to have other people arbitrarily punished for playing the game in a way you don't like back under whatever rocked you crawled from under. Since I don't even stay in high sec you can crawl back under the same rock as me ;) Don't gankers whine? There is a thread about Skiffs being to hard to kill for a solo ganker etc so yes they whine when they don't get what they want. But we stop here and now. I now know that you don't like the stacked GCC. Because you haven't read the thread.. The agreement on Skiffs in that thread is that their yield:cargo:tank is way too out of whack compared to the other Exhumers.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10661	Posted - 2014.11.19 01:57:53 - [33] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something. No. EVE is a PvP game. And PvP belongs everywhere. That includes highsec. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Gevlon Goalposts Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.11.19 03:49:02 - [34] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this. If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic. Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now. It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all. It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today. Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way. So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE. /Fenix Neutrino ITT: It's not fair! I do nothing to contribute towards my own safety but it's just not fair!
Fenix Neutrino Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2	Posted - 2014.11.19 06:29:55 - [35] - Quote As I said earlier, we stop here and now. I didn't suggest this to start a fire, nor to stop gankers etc. I know you don't like the idea. Fly safe or unsafe if you like ;-) Last post in this thread, at least from me.
admiral root Red Galaxy 1849	Posted - 2014.11.19 11:46:39 - [36] - Quote This is rapidly becoming my favourite forum quote: Zepheros Naeonis wrote: So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled." No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. is recruiting highsec PvPers for wardecs \| New Order diplomat "no one hates you, none of us care enough for that".
Cetaphil Thrace The Back Yard Twilight Federation 23	Posted - 2014.11.19 14:33:50 - [37] - Quote It is unbalanced game play. I do not think it is fair that if i pop a miner in .5 system, i cant warp out. I am stuck until concord gets there 20 seconds later and pops me. Does that seem fair. If they want it realistic, then i should be able to run from them like the Duke Boys :)
Buddy Scrap Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.11.19 14:42:39 - [38] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 hours for -10s? Because CCP don't want the primary content creators of hisec being out of commission for half a day each time they so much as fart in the wrong direction.
Buhhdust Princess mind games. Suddenly Spaceships. 8416	Posted - 2014.11.19 15:06:21 - [39] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this. If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic. Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now. It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all. It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today. Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way. So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE. /Fenix Neutrino You have let ur entire alliance down by posting this.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1579	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:30:43 - [40] - Quote I am just going to leave this here. Please pay special attention to the message from CCP Falcon. tldr; HTFU you pansy. F Would you like to know more?
Renegade Heart Holes Angels Gone Critical 291	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:10:10 - [41] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something. How about you make me?
Tengu Grib Happy Fun times Spaceships in Space 667	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:26:19 - [42] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. You must be high, I've never made money by ganking. Even on the rare occasion that a gank makes more than it costs, that isk goes right into paying for the next gank that will not pay a dime. Ganking freighters is a bit of a different story, but only the idiocy of the pilots makes ganking freighters financially justifiable. Your idea would not affect those guys really, so freighters would still be dying. Sure miners wouldn't be dying as much, but those deaths stimulate the economy and everyone benefits from that. EDIT: After reading the rest of this thread I see you are in fact not a blathering idiot and are instead a rational and reasonable human being. I dislike your suggestion and do not think it would do anything but harm to Eve. The New Order is recruiting PVP pilots. Code. Forums are the place to be, all are welcome! The Law of High Sec.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 157	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:48:35 - [43] - Quote i would agree with stackable GCC but ccp wont allow it. i believe it was in csm 8 when they commented that they wanted to cause as much chaos as they can and in the process intervened and created a group of gankers "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Michael Ignis Archangel Caveat Emptor Technologies LP Spaceship Samurai 60	Posted - 2014.11.19 22:01:21 - [44] - Quote The more I think about this, the devil is actually in the details. What if, for instance, GCC was multiplicative like jump fatigue, but the 'initial' cooldown was, say, 15 seconds instead of the current 15 minutes of docking, waiting, perhaps contacting your victim to present them with a small survey of their experience. So one could, in theory, go on a murderous ganking rampage and end up with a gigantic, exponential, GCC timer, then simply log off, bloodthirst momentarily slaked. It's almost certainly not what the OP intended, but could be more interesting than the current steady diet of max 4 kills/hr regardless of gameplay choices. Never let it be said that I'm unwilling to admit I bypassed an idea with potential.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 778	Posted - 2014.11.20 04:15:57 - [45] - Quote You lost me at 'defenseless ships'. Last I knew the best defense any ship had wasn't in it's modules so much as a wily pilot at the helm. Flying a non-combat oriented vessel automatically puts a pilot in the role of 'prey'. How they operate said ship determines what kind of prey they are. Being an easy or hard target is entirely up to them, but one of those choices isn't 'easymode'. For some reason this offends some of the more gentle-hearted members of the herd.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3643	Posted - 2014.11.20 04:29:06 - [46] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: You lost me at 'defenseless ships'. Last I knew the best defense any ship had wasn't in it's modules so much as a wily pilot at the helm. Flying a non-combat oriented vessel automatically puts a pilot in the role of 'prey'. How they operate said ship determines what kind of prey they are. Being an easy or hard target is entirely up to them, but one of those choices isn't 'easymode'. For some reason this offends some of the more gentle-hearted members of the herd. This. A dilligent miner in a Hulk that pays attention to all sources of intel available to them through the client should never be ganked in empire space, unless caught on a gate or by a very lucky hunter. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are increasing. Get your permit now. Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2014.11.20 13:05:35 - [47] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player. You must be high, I've never made money by ganking. Even on the rare occasion that a gank makes more than it costs, that isk goes right into paying for the next gank that will not pay a dime. Ganking freighters is a bit of a different story, but only the idiocy of the pilots makes ganking freighters financially justifiable. On average I guess I break even when ganking miners. That's mostly due to the fact that I will use cheap meta catas whenever possible, even if that means I might lack the dps to squish the pod after the barge pops and I try to recover as much as I can from my CONCORDed boats and try to scoop up loot. Should I start using more T2 catalysts (which is prolly where I'm headed), it can become quite the ISK sink for your personal wallet. Also, the carebear community will always ***** and moan about ISK. If we make money of off ganks: "OMG, THEY MAKEZ MONIEZ OF GANKS IN HI SEC NO FAIR!1!! NERF!!!". If we gank an empty freighter: "OMG NAO THEY DON"T EVEN GANK FOR PROFITZ ANYMOAR BUT FOR LULZ NO FAIR!1!! NERF!!!". The tragedy of threads like this being: even if we implemented every idea from the OP, there would still be ganking (just less) and there would still be people like the OP that would find the mechanics unfair asking for "One More Nerf". Now it's "he can gank 10 ships a day, why can you be a repeat offender in HISEC?!?!!", then it would be:"he can gank 10 ships a week, why can you be a repeat offender in HISEC?!?!?!". This will continue until every form of non consensual PVP is banned from highsec, at which point they will prolly switch to whining about consensual PVP "cuz it's easy to make a mistake accepting a duel/wardec." or "not a fair fight, noob vs veteran, we should all have the same skillz and equipment in PVP". After they managed to get consensual PVP destroyed too they will be asking for private instances for their mining and other PvE activities....
Beers Veldspar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2014.11.20 13:58:50 - [48] - Quote Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 months for -10s ? Veers Belvar, heroic figure in Highsec dedicated to preserving "Truth, justice, and the American way."
admiral root Red Galaxy 1852	Posted - 2014.11.20 14:52:01 - [49] - Quote Beers Veldspar wrote: Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 months for -10s ? How about you provide additional consequences yourself? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. is recruiting highsec PvPers for wardecs \| New Order diplomat "no one hates you, none of us care enough for that".
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1003	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:18:15 - [50] - Quote Cetaphil Thrace wrote: It is unbalanced game play. I do not think it is fair that if i pop a miner in .5 system, i cant warp out. I am stuck until concord gets there 20 seconds later and pops me. Does that seem fair? If they want it realistic, then i should be able to run from them like the Duke Boys :) Back in the day , you could. And it was glorious. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 157	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:43:53 - [51] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: You lost me at 'defenseless ships'. Last I knew the best defense any ship had wasn't in it's modules so much as a wily pilot at the helm. Flying a non-combat oriented vessel automatically puts a pilot in the role of 'prey'. How they operate said ship determines what kind of prey they are. Being an easy or hard target is entirely up to them, but one of those choices isn't 'easymode'. For some reason this offends some of the more gentle-hearted members of the herd. This. A dilligent miner in a Hulk that pays attention to all sources of intel available to them through the client should never be ganked in empire space, unless caught on a gate or by a very lucky hunter. not true, even being dilligent 1 not all gankers have a negative status 2 it doesnt have to be a noob ship to be a warp in, another barge pilot could be used as a warp in "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
admiral root Red Galaxy 1853	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:07:44 - [52] - Quote Agondray wrote: not true, even being dilligent 1 not all gankers have a negative status 2 it doesnt have to be a noob ship to be a warp in, another barge pilot could be used as a warp in Unless they're a first-time ganker, they have a killboard history which should give you clues. If you suspect a barge pilot may be a warp in for gankers, kill them or move well away from them. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. is recruiting highsec PvPers for wardecs \| New Order diplomat "no one hates you, none of us care enough for that".
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 785	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:13:45 - [53] - Quote Correct on both points one and two. When I mined I assumed ANY ship dropping on grid was NOT my friend unless they were set to blue by me. When they did so, I went somewhere else. The assumption should always be that you are not safe, and you should be acting accordingly in order to preserve your own existence while reaping what profit you can. Your points, however, do not render the diligence argument invalid so much as emphasize it's importance.
Azov Rassau The Hornets Cartel 99	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:23:21 - [54] - Quote Cetaphil Thrace wrote: It is unbalanced game play. I do not think it is fair that if i pop a miner in .5 system, i cant warp out. I am stuck until concord gets there 20 seconds later and pops me. Does that seem fair? If they want it realistic, then i should be able to run from them like the Duke Boys :) Agreed. I support this idea of removing CONCORD's instant warp-disruption because currently, it's nonsense. In 0.5 systems for example, they're like 20 seconds late, but still they magically scramble criminals ship instantly. How is that possible? (and ironically, the notification still says "-PlayerName- criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed". How can they "leave" with that instant and divine warp scramble anyway? Lol.) Such nerf will have positive effects: 1) The ganker, upon succesfully killing the retriever, will have a chance to warp away and then come back to gank another (isn't it what they called "Boomerang ganking"?) It's more fun, exciting and challenging for the ganker. 2) ECM white knights will add Warp Disruptors to their fitting so that they can point the ganker (forcing him to wait for the CONCORD arrival) while also permajamming him (which is great fun ). In other words, CONCORD's current instant and nonsense warp disruption will be replaced by real player interaction (a player's warp disruption). This is more fun for the antiganker too. I still remember the fun I had with my ECM Skiff at the ice belts of Piekura, where I used point and permajam almost any Catalyst that attempted to gank a nearby miner. That is the result of what could be called the true spirit of EVE: PvP, real player interaction and fun. not God-like NPC Police. No AFKing. -áSafety First. -áUse D-Scan, Check Local. -áBe Alert.
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:26:56 - [55] - Quote Agondray wrote: not true, even being dilligent 1 not all gankers have a negative status 2 it doesnt have to be a noob ship to be a warp in, another barge pilot could be used as a warp in That's right, you should be suspicious of anyone, that's part of the 'being dilligent'. Hint: if someone is hugging your ship, chances are they are providing a warp in. Back in my mining days I was quite paranoid, I basicly checked on everyone coming through the belt I was mining in. If I didn't trust things, I'd dock up or at the very least moved my ship. Hell, I was paranoid about warp-ins b4 I even knew the mechanic existed. I was rewarded by never being succesfuly ganked for my paranoia.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 494	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:52:36 - [56] - Quote This whole thread could have been avoided if the OP had only purchased a mining permit. It's only 10mil ISK per year OP, I don't really see the problem you have. the Code ALWAYS wins
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3651	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:58:08 - [57] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Correct on both points one and two. When I mined I assumed ANY ship dropping on grid was NOT my friend unless they were set to blue by me. When they did so, I went somewhere else. The assumption should always be that you are not safe, and you should be acting accordingly in order to preserve your own existence while reaping what profit you can. Your points, however, do not render the diligence argument invalid so much as emphasize it's importance. This is exactly true. And even if someone cloaky is used as a warpin - a dilligent miner will be pre-aligned to something, will see 2 or more gank ships on D-scan, and will get the hell out. It's not hard. And the only thing that can gank a person with that level of dilligence is a sizable number of ships that can warp cloaked - which is not ISK efficient or even close unless you are mining in an officer fit ship. Safety is yours for the taking already, but you have to actually take it. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are increasing. Get your permit now. Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 159	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:54:13 - [58] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Correct on both points one and two. When I mined I assumed ANY ship dropping on grid was NOT my friend unless they were set to blue by me. When they did so, I went somewhere else. The assumption should always be that you are not safe, and you should be acting accordingly in order to preserve your own existence while reaping what profit you can. Your points, however, do not render the diligence argument invalid so much as emphasize it's importance. This is exactly true. And even if someone cloaky is used as a warpin - a dilligent miner will be pre-aligned to something, will see 2 or more gank ships on D-scan, and will get the hell out. It's not hard. And the only thing that can gank a person with that level of dilligence is a sizable number of ships that can warp cloaked - which is not ISK efficient or even close unless you are mining in an officer fit ship. Safety is yours for the taking already, but you have to actually take it. even being aligned isnt enough as it takes time to spool up, you have to have 2 spots you pace back and forth so you dont go to far from what you are mining. and if you want to warp our every little ship on your dscan then you will also never accomplish anything just like freighter pilots, even the ones not on AP get ganked as the ships are far to slow and even with a tank they die, but most dont have a tank, nor does ccp falcons idiotic rant on having guns nor logi work as i watched a freighter with a logi fleet get bumped and die between 2 fleet attacks "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
John E Normus new order logistics CODE. 267	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:59:18 - [59] - Quote ONE MORE NERF, ONE MORE NERF, ONE MORE NERF! Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3652	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:16:23 - [60] - Quote Agondray wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Correct on both points one and two. When I mined I assumed ANY ship dropping on grid was NOT my friend unless they were set to blue by me. When they did so, I went somewhere else. The assumption should always be that you are not safe, and you should be acting accordingly in order to preserve your own existence while reaping what profit you can. Your points, however, do not render the diligence argument invalid so much as emphasize it's importance. This is exactly true. And even if someone cloaky is used as a warpin - a dilligent miner will be pre-aligned to something, will see 2 or more gank ships on D-scan, and will get the hell out. It's not hard. And the only thing that can gank a person with that level of dilligence is a sizable number of ships that can warp cloaked - which is not ISK efficient or even close unless you are mining in an officer fit ship. Safety is yours for the taking already, but you have to actually take it. even being aligned isnt enough as it takes time to spool up, you have to have 2 spots you pace back and forth so you dont go to far from what you are mining. and if you want to warp our every little ship on your dscan then you will also never accomplish anything just like freighter pilots, even the ones not on AP get ganked as the ships are far to slow and even with a tank they die, but most dont have a tank, nor does ccp falcons idiotic rant on having guns nor logi work as i watched a freighter with a logi fleet get bumped and die between 2 fleet attacks Heaven forbid that you might need to bounce between several align points. Even mission runners have to do more complex things than that - they have to master the use of acceleration gates. Freighters can't defend themselves, but they absolutely can have escorts. You've established that a purely logi escort didn't help - try a different escort configuration next time. www.minerbumping.com - Mining accidents are increasing. Get your permit now. Ganking doesn't need a purpose, the gank is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2014.11.20 23:51:29 - [61] - Quote Agondray wrote: even being aligned isnt enough as it takes time to spool up, you have to have 2 spots you pace back and forth so you dont go to far from what you are mining. and if you want to warp our every little ship on your dscan then you will also never accomplish anything 1) You don't know what being aligned means, I'll explain it: being aligned means you have already established warpable sub-warp speed in the direction you want to warp. 2) You only need to worry about 'little' ships on dscan that can actually gank you, so yes, if you see 50 noob ships aproaching in dscan, that might be a warning to GTFO, as 50 T2 fit noobships will prolly take out your barge. 3)if you see local jumping up 50 ppl and they aren't your friends, it would be wise to 'relocate'. Being a 'dilligent' miner you are of course keeping your eye on local at all times, if you aren't, well, then you're not being dilligent.... Of course it's not just about local jumping up 50 (or less) ppl all of a sudden. If you mine in a system that nomally has 10/20/30/40/50/whatever number of ppl online when you mine there, you should deduct that there is an elevated treath of being ganked when there are more ppl than usual online, especially if they are strangers that normally don't visit your system at the times you play. In general, avoiding ganks is not that hard, make sure you can tank at least 2 t2 catalysts (that's even possible for a Retriever, let alone macks, procs and skiffs in 0.5), be aware of your surroundings by keeping an eye on local, list known gankers as contacts with bad standings, check your dscan for catalysts and probes, move you ship every time someone you don't know enters the belt you are in (after they warped out) etc etc. As a ganker (and former raging mining carebear) I find that 99% of ganks are avoidable even if you are in an untanked ship by just paying attention and being aware. I'll tell you what will happen if nerfs to ganking will continue btw: if we implement the stackable GCC the OP wants, I'll jsut train more of my chars to be gankers, which will make it harder to track them. There is no reason why I shouldn't train my trading alts to be ganking alts too for instance. Of course, at that point the OP or like minded bears will come crying that "any repeat highsec offender should not be allowed to trade in highsec cuz they be criminulz!1!1" or something like that. Just "One More Nerf" right? And after we adapt to that nerf by simply making more accounts and letting them laps till the stacked GCC runs out, they'll be crying for "Don-¦t let lapsed accounts get cooldown on GCC!!1!!! (and jump fatigue, though I doubt 90+ % of the bears visiting this and similar threads even know what jump fatigue is) as the next "One More Nerf". Again, they will not stop whining until every form of non consensual PvP is removed from highsec and at hat point they will prolly start whining about consensual PvP (easy to make a mistake in accepting a dual or consensual wardec and even when it's not a mistake it's 'not fair' cuz of numbers, skillpoints blahblahblah') and after that about ppl coming into 'their' missions, belts, anomalies etc etc. ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF!
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 289	Posted - 2014.11.21 00:31:34 - [62] - Quote Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: I'll tell you what will happen if nerfs to ganking will continue btw: if we implement the stackable GCC the OP wants, I'll jsut train more of my chars to be gankers, which will make it harder to track them. There is no reason why I shouldn't train my trading alts to be ganking alts too for instance. Of course, at that point the OP or like minded bears will come crying that "any repeat highsec offender should not be allowed to trade in highsec cuz they be criminulz!1!1" or something like that. Just "One More Nerf" right? And after we adapt to that nerf by simply making more accounts and letting them laps till the stacked GCC runs out, they'll be crying for "Don-¦t let lapsed accounts get cooldown on GCC!!1!!! (and jump fatigue, though I doubt 90+ % of the bears visiting this and similar threads even know what jump fatigue is) as the next "One More Nerf". Again, they will not stop whining until every form of non consensual PvP is removed from highsec and at hat point they will prolly start whining about consensual PvP (easy to make a mistake in accepting a dual or consensual wardec and even when it's not a mistake it's 'not fair' cuz of numbers, skillpoints blahblahblah') and after that about ppl coming into 'their' missions, belts, anomalies etc etc. ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! As many nerfs as it takes to deter repeat criminals. If we need a 6 month GCC timer for people like Loyalanon, so be it. We can put people in jail faster than you can make alts.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 217	Posted - 2014.11.21 00:45:03 - [63] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: repeat criminals What about an exceptionally large wave of one time "criminals"?
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 289	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:11:19 - [64] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: repeat criminals What about an exceptionally large wave of one time "criminals"? I tend to think that punishment should be mild for the first offense. CCP has already restricted recycling of gank alts.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 217	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:27:55 - [65] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: repeat criminals What about an exceptionally large wave of one time "criminals"? I tend to think that punishment should be mild for the first offense. CCP has already restricted recycling of gank alts. Who said anything about recycling alts?
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2014.11.21 10:44:40 - [66] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: [quote=Meilandra Vanderganken] As many nerfs as it takes to deter repeat criminals. If we need a 6 month GCC timer for people like Loyalanon, so be it. We can put people in jail faster than you can make alts. Thank you for proving my point. Even at a 6 month timer, there will still be ganking, at which point you will be coming back here asking for One More Nerf.
Philip Isleb Brethren of Essence 7	Posted - 2014.11.30 05:50:11 - [67] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 hours for -10s? STFU.
Azov Rassau The Hornets Cartel 106	Posted - 2014.11.30 08:55:09 - [68] - Quote Fenix Neutrino wrote: Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this. Is it really so Goddamn difficult? Michael Ignis Archangel wrote: Fenix Neutrino wrote: You can mass gank and that's wrong. The mass ganking of NPC's continues unabated. Think of the red crosses' children! Even worse, think of CONCORD! : Abrazzar wrote: CONCORD: The Carebear's hot-drop* *response time may vary No AFKing. Safety First. Use D-Scan, Check Local. Be Alert. http://gankerjamming.blogspot.com
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.30 09:03:12 - [69] - Quote CCP should just get rid of that whole pvp in EVE thing. It's been an interesting experiment, but it's obviously not working out for the contemporary consumer. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

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