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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.10.15 02:59:00 -
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Anyone know any details about this new content thats in developement?
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.15 03:19:00 -
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Tank,
For those of us fairly new to online MMPORG games can you explain what ELO is? I have no idea.
Thanks,
Calladen 
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Jon Kari
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Posted - 2003.10.15 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Kari on 15/10/2003 03:29:28
Edited by: Jon Kari on 15/10/2003 03:27:18
This link which I googled is more informative on ELO-style ranking and scoring, than my petty attempts to explain the matter:
ELO Scoring
Wiki on ELO
See you in Eve. 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.15 07:41:00 -
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"Anyone know any details about this new content thats in developement?"
... In a nutshell, you won't like it.
Ganking newbies all day drops one's overall score like the brick under that system... :s
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.15 08:42:00 -
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And there was me thinking it was something to do with the Electric Light Orchestra...
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Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.15 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Destruct on 15/10/2003 08:44:04
lol, i've seen them live ages ago. 
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Oosel
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Posted - 2003.10.15 08:44:00 -
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whaaaa you mean no mr blue sky
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.15 08:45:00 -
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Sun is shinin' in the sky
there ain't a cloud in sight.
It's stopped rainin'
ev'rybody's in a play.
And don't you know
it's a beautiful new day
hey
hey
Runnin' down the avenue
see how the sun shines.
Brightly in the city on the streets
Where once was pity. Mister Blue Sky
Is living here today
hey hey
Mister Blue Sky
please tell us why
You had to hide away for so long
Where did we go wrong?
Mister Blue Sky
please tell us why
. . .
Hey
you with the pretty face
welcome to the human race.
A celebration
Mister Blue Sky's up there waitin'
And today is the day we've waited for
hey
hey
Mister Blue Sky
please tell us why
. . .
Hey
there
Mister Blue
we're so pleased
To be with you look around
See what you do ev'rybody smiles at you.
Hey
there Mister Blue
we're so pleased
. . .
Mister Blue
you did it right
But soon comes Mister Night creepin' over
Now his hand is on your shoulder
never mind
I'll remember you this
I'll remember you this way.
Mister Blue Sky
please tell us why
. . .
Hey
there
Mister Blue
we're so pleased
. . .
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.15 16:21:00 -
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How will they differentiate between battleships killing frigates and frigates killing battleships?
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.15 16:23:00 -
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I breesed over the explaination on the website, and what I came away with is that the system is basically just like the ranking system used by playsite.com and their board games, like monopoly, which is hella fun!
And yes, I too thought he was talking about Electric Light Orchestra!
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This is Rat. It is a vermin. It has eaten all of Bunny's lettuce. |
EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.10.15 16:48:00 -
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It's also the same system used in Yahoo!(Ö) games.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2003.10.15 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 15/10/2003 16:56:15
Each player has a rating eg 1000 points. If you kill someone your rating goes up by X points, if you lose it goes down X points.
X points will depend on the rating of your opponent. To quote a website:
"In general, your rating will be adjusted by several factors: (a) the result
of your game (win, loss, draw), (b) your opponent's rating, (c) the stability
of your rating, and (d) the stability of your opponent's rating. "
Take a chess example:
I have a rating 1700 and I beat a player with rating of 1000. I may now have a rating of 1700.0000000001 because it was almost 100% certainty I'd win that game. If however I lost, my rating may drop by 100 points.
Now you also have a stability rating (which I hope eve implements) so for example I have a rating of 1700, a brand new player joins with a rating of 500. This player happens to be a grand master and could beat me in his sleep, but there is no way anyone knows this we only have his rating to go on. My rating is in for a large drop maybe 700 points because according to the ELO ratings I should win 100% of the time.
This is where your stability comes in. Each time you play a game, win or lose, your stability rating increases. Each day you don't play a game your stability rating drops. the higher your stability rating the more accurate your ELO rating is.
So if I play that game again 1700 vs 500 the 500 players stability rating would be 0, thus win or lose my rating would not change at all. However his rating would adjust by quite a lot if he wins.
Now in chess terms this is simple to implement as the only variable is the player skill. They both have the same peices. Taking this to eve however proves slightly more complicated. As the type of ship your in will also determine the liklihood of you winning an encounter.
You could have an ELO of 2800 and be fighting someone with an ELO of 1600 both of you have a high stability, but you are not flying your normal battle ship, instead you've choosen a bantom for a currior mission, now your elo may say you should win, but we all know different right :P
So although the ELO system in theory is incredibly simple to use, it has quite a few quirks that I imagine the devs will need to solve in order implement it in an eve environment if it is to actually be of any use.
Also I've assumed its been implemented for determining whether you are better than someone else, it may be used to deal with security ratings etc
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.10.15 17:10:00 -
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Well i think it will be hard to make it really work in Eve.Of course an important factor is the fighting abilities of a pilot,but another very important factor in Eve is amount of money onehve and the abilitie of making money.I mean one can be hard struck by losing a cruiser , and another one cannot even be bothered by it...
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Li ShangYin
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Posted - 2003.10.15 17:16:00 -
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The question is where in EVE the ranking will be used. It makes little sense to use it in anything besides competitive gaming, be it fighting between equal ships or groups of ships or so forth, it is afterall somewhat of a standard that is used in most 1v1 style games out there for ladders and ranking.
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A spring day at the edge of the world.
On the edge of the world once more the day slants.
The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears
Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.16 05:56:00 -
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Hellalame, it'll only provide Tank here with more information about who aren't used to defending themselves and him ganking them till the end of days...
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2003.10.16 09:07:00 -
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And there was me thinking it was something to do with the Electric Light Orchestra...
lol yeah me too m8
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DarkRoad
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Posted - 2003.10.16 09:10:00 -
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hello tank
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.10.16 09:16:00 -
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The scary thing is that so many remeber ELO..and liked them
Well I was 'fairly' young
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EdRush
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Posted - 2003.10.16 11:44:00 -
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HICKSY YOU'RE VERY ANAL SOMETIMES
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