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MacCoy
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:15:00 -
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My petition sent today :
GM Nepthys
Sent - 8/27/2006 9:11:00 AM Hi there. I recommend that you move your mining operations to a 0.7-0.5 system where you can deploy and utilize secure containers to protect yourself from such banditry. You could also try to haul your ore to a station more rapidly, giving thieves less of a chance to get at it.
Hi again. Well, same problem there. Robbers uses now cloacking devices. They only have to fly from belts to belts. A guy is coming near me in a small frigate, empty all my anonymous jetcans in a sec, create a new jetcan, fly away, and a friend is coming to load everything in a sec. Got No time to instajump, everything is done in some seconds.
This is a issue, and you have to nerf this asap, or you won't find any miners in empire anymore dude. I'm a freelancer working with contracts, and I'm no more able to work anymore with your stupid thing.
As you know it well, I can only deploy ONE secure container where I'm mining (only 3900m3) as any other canister can't be deployed under 5km.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:24:00 -
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1) Don't post GM conversations.
2) Use Secure Containers or an escort.
3) It's been like this for over 3 years and there are still miners in Empire. Somehow, I think you're overreacting.
 Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Xia Winters
THANATOS REEPERS
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Winters on 30/08/2006 18:51:41
Your problem is that you aren't willing to adapt - ff you jetcan mine in any busy high-sec system sooner or later someone will come along and steal your ore, this much is certain.
Looking at where you are right now I'm not surprised you're getting cans stolen, and assuming you don't think fighting back is an option...
Learn how to use secure containers. Spend more time thinking about how to use them and less whining about their limitations.
Learn how to work with others. Mining solo because you're a freelancer is a poor excuse - working as a team is much more interesting, and gets the work done faster.
Work somewhere less populated. Find a decent 0.6 or 0.5 system that's not horribly overcrowded and chances are you'll never see an ore thief.
Don't want to fight back?
Don't want to think harder how to use secure containers?
Don't want to work with others?
Don't want to move?
Cancel now.
...and can I have your stuff?
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MacCoy
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:51:00 -
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SECURE CONTAINERS CAN'T BE USED/ANCHORED BELOW 5 KM EACH OTHER.
Am I right or not ?
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MacCoy
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:55:00 -
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Don't want to fight back? => as anything is done in a sec, can't insta warp back, as anything is stolen under 10 seconds. My barge use 3 strip miners 1 to mine fast.
Don't want to think harder how to use secure containers? Can't be used below 5 km each other
Don't want to work with others? I'm a freelancer, this is my way to play
Don't want to move more than a jump away from a trade lane? sure, but this won't reply to the in-belt ore stealing problem
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Xia Winters
THANATOS REEPERS
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Posted - 2006.08.30 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xia Winters on 30/08/2006 18:58:11
The 5km anchoring limit isn't a massive problem if you plan ahead.
True it isn't as simple as creating another jetcan but no-one ever claimed it was - staying safe has it's drawbacks.
I rarely use secure containers anymore, but then again I wouldn't even consider mining "seriously" (solo or gang) in any system with more than 10 people in.
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Julius DarkWings
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.30 19:26:00 -
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Dude don't cry about something that is a career choice for some people.
As you chose your career in this game someone else decided that stealing your ore would be a good career choice for them.
Playing with others is a part of this game and is not going to go away. Someone stealing your ore is playing with others just not someone you chose to play with. So choose a partner and play with them in 0.7-0.5 where the profits per hour of mining are better then mining Veldspar in 1.0-0.9.
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Nigh7F0x
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Posted - 2006.08.30 19:32:00 -
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The system won't be changed because if they do then there won't be any risk involved in mining in high-sec areas. Which is why the secured containers were changed. BTW, I don't mine anymore, I find enough ore just sitting around in those flimsy, unstable cans.
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Caleb Paine
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.30 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: MacCoy
My petition sent today :
*snip*
Please refrain from posting private conversation with CCP staff or CRC on the forum - thx Pirlouit
Hi again. Well, same problem there. Robbers uses now cloacking devices. They only have to fly from belts to belts. A guy is coming near me in a small frigate, empty all my anonymous jetcans in a sec, create a new jetcan, fly away, and a friend is coming to load everything in a sec. Got No time to instajump, everything is done in some seconds.
This is a issue, and you have to nerf this asap, or you won't find any miners in empire anymore dude. I'm a freelancer working with contracts, and I'm no more able to work anymore with your stupid thing.
As you know it well, I can only deploy ONE secure container where I'm mining (only 3900m3) as any other canister can't be deployed under 5km.
Really, stop wasting GM time like that, perhaps we could hold you personally responsible for all the backlogs in petitions in some way and have some fun with you. Learn the game.
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MacCoy
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Posted - 2006.08.30 21:32:00 -
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NERF this feature as this one is done in a too faster way ...
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Sivlan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.30 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: MacCoy
Hi again. Well, same problem there. Robbers uses now cloacking devices. They only have to fly from belts to belts. A guy is coming near me in a small frigate, empty all my anonymous jetcans in a sec, create a new jetcan, fly away, and a friend is coming to load everything in a sec.
This is a great idea.
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Sivlan
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hobieone
Caldari
Intergalactic Commerce Union
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Posted - 2006.08.30 22:15:00 -
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actually i don't think i want this to be nerfed. i too am not that old of achar only been playing since june. and robbers make things interesting. if by your delf best is secure can so what if they are 5km apart and takes you longer. but best to mine in group i do with 2 others one in cloaked ship with a webber and warp scambler and cloak hime self. we had a guy try and steall a jet can and pinned him and podde him with out saying aword to him he tried that several times and lost his ship. now even if a mine byself if hes around he wont go near me probably thinks my friend are nearby cloaked  but this interaction has made minning a bit more fun and interactive and not so boring as it can be from time to time. so no this does not needto be nerfed and besides you need to understand this a pvp based game. and thers some pirate want to be lurking in high security areas. and plus good practice for when you start 0.0 mining
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Reincarnator
Amarr
Brute Force Missions inc
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Posted - 2006.08.31 07:55:00 -
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Why dont you fit a jammer and use some drones? frigs die easy to drones  .Oh and can you please stop whining about ore stealing every week?
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.31 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: MacCoy
Don't want to work with others? I'm a freelancer, this is my way to play
they are orethieves it's their way to play!
honestly that's like 'boohooo i got ganked in HED-GP, nerf pirates'
Originally by: George Petsch
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master bates
Amarr
Smoking Hillbillys
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.31 18:14:00 -
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clearly you are a noob, thievery exists in the realworld too, people choose it as a career path, you dont see mr blair saying "right uk thieves you are now unable to steal at all , you cant even try because you will be banned" there are consequences to stealing in the game as it was nerfed with the introduction of the aggression countdown in which if someone steals from your can you have the legal right to shoot them in the game, and instead of *****ign about "being a freelancer" either get a buddy to haul the ore for you from the can you dump too, or if you dont want to share the profits pay for a second account and make a hauler character, i dont see the point in you wasting gm's time with a little isk loss cause you cant plan ahead, grow up you noob, if you want to minimise the risk then just use a secure can , plant a string of em in a belt and when one can is full travel to the next can whilst STILL USING YOUR MINING LASERS they dont shut down as soon as you move so you can continue mining whilst travelling.
personally i have mined for the last year or so, usually for specific mins so i can manufacture certain goods and i have NEVER SEEN A ORE THIEF, hell macro miners and farmers are more common than ore thiefes.
another way to minimise your losses is to make a safe spot, and leave a hauler/combat frig there, as soon as a thief appears you warp to that safespot and eject, and board the relevant ship, then warp back and either kill him or haul what you can quickly.
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Jacques Archambault
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.31 19:26:00 -
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You might want to have a look at this stickified thread in the Crime & Punishment forum. It links to other threads which tell you how you can deal with theft.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.08.31 19:41:00 -
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You should be given a warning for wasting GM time. And then fed to a dragon.
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2006.08.31 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: MacCoy
NERF this feature as this one is done in a too faster way ...
Allow me to translate for this guy.
What he says is "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH" WANT MY BABA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Adapt Overcome Grow some!!
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.31 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
You should be given a warning for wasting GM time. And then fed to a dragon.
Haha!
I'm browsing the forum before bed time and I saw this thread and it made me really sad.
Then I read your reply and I got happy
Thanks!
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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.08.31 22:21:00 -
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MacCoy this is the second time I've seen you complaining about ore theft. Read the thread linked by the moderator and take action yourself. All the tools to fight back against ore theft are there but you are refusing to use them or think about how to deal with it.
If you leave ore in a jet can it's there for anyone to steal. Higher risk but also higher reward.
You claim to be a freelancer but if you don't want to interact with other people in the game you really need to consider playing a single player game. You can continue to freelance but you could make more money working with other people.
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Larkonis Trassler
g guild
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Posted - 2006.08.31 22:45:00 -
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So because you are unwilling to adapt CCP should alter the game to suit YOUR needs? Grow up.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.01 03:32:00 -
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You say that this will cause everyone to stop mining in empire? All the better. 0.0 needs some more miners to kill.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.09.01 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
So because you are unwilling to adapt CCP should alter the game to suit YOUR needs
the very definition of a carebear
Ore Mongers' 3rd lotto
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Zetaa
Amarr
7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.09.01 04:00:00 -
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Heh, a bit of math homework for the original poster.
The circumference of a circle is 2πr, that is to say, two times pi times the radius of the circle.
Hint: A radius of ten kilometers.
2 x 3.14159 x 10 = 62.8318 kilometers.
Sooo, a can every five kilometers... 12 cans in a circle around an asteroid... or a group of asteroids. 12 secure cans that you can fly to, easily in the time between mining cycles.
Now, quit whining about the ore theives and get creative.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2006.09.01 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: MacCoy
Moved from New Player Q&A- Tirg
My petition sent today :
*snip*
Please refrain from posting private conversation with CCP staff or CRC on the forum - thx Pirlouit
Hi again. Well, same problem there. Robbers uses now cloacking devices. They only have to fly from belts to belts. A guy is coming near me in a small frigate, empty all my anonymous jetcans in a sec, create a new jetcan, fly away, and a friend is coming to load everything in a sec. Got No time to instajump, everything is done in some seconds.
This is a issue, and you have to nerf this asap, or you won't find any miners in empire anymore dude. I'm a freelancer working with contracts, and I'm no more able to work anymore with your stupid thing.
As you know it well, I can only deploy ONE secure container where I'm mining (only 3900m3) as any other canister can't be deployed under 5km.
oh man. LMAO.
Please PLEASE let me see the day that no more miners mine in empire. please.
Because I said so...
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.09.01 10:01:00 -
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Yeah stealing ore is a lame thing to do but it cant be helped, Just try mining elsewhere, the thieves arnt everywhere, if your mining right next to a major trade route you are asking for it, this is sa PVP game.
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Rustafarious
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Posted - 2006.09.01 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
You should be given a warning for wasting GM time. And then fed to a dragon.
Best blog ever!
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Corwain
Gallente
Infinite Innovations
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Posted - 2006.09.01 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Corwain on 01/09/2006 12:54:39
I propose a solution to you. If every time you mine in Empire someone with a cloak steals your ore do this.
Fit your chosen mining BS or cruiser with smartbombs and 1 mining laser. Start mining and wait for the cloaking ship to come and switch your ore to his can. Activate smartbombs, scoop 10mil, 40mil or 60mil cloaking mod to cargohold. Sell on market. Rinse and repeat.
I promise you that you will make much more money doing this than real empire mining.
What's that? You only see a cloaker stealing ore from you once a month? Perhaps it is not the problem you're making it out to be then.
That said I agree with you that when solo mining the only defense against ore thieves is their own stupidity. If you've got a smart one the only way to stop them is to avoid them. Ore thieves routinely go up to a minining ship that even if they put a turret, some drones, or a launcher on they are extremely outgunned, they then switch their ore to their can and have a friend in a hauler pick up the ore. If you attack either of them they just instapop you. That and the time to profit margin is why I only mine in 0.0 anymore, and then only to get ISK to run my corp and PvP with.
Only way to avoid said scenario is to have a friend in a hauler next to you acting as your jet can (easier way) or a corpmate in a BS next to you to protect you from other battleships. Unfortunatly this won't help you against old fashioned ore thieves that just head over in a hauler...
Word of advice ninja mine in 0.0. You will die a lot more but you'll make much more than your losses once you get a sufficient amount of ISK in your wallet. Matter of fact if you want to 0.0 mine with people there to watch your back join a 0.0 corp. If you want get in touch with me ingame and I'll hook you up.
EDIT: Spelling
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Jason Hawke
Caldari
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2006.09.01 14:03:00 -
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There will always be thieves in this game. Why? Because that's how the game is.
The other day I am out mining with my corp in my Brutix. 7 miner II's and a mining upgrade module and mining foreman III :P
Then all of a sudden a corpmate said Help!
I scroll down my overview and I behold a flashing red ship. So I figure a. this guy is attacking my corpmate or b. stealing our ore.
Now I was a good 10km away, but what this guy didn't know was that I had a warp scrambler and a webifier and some very nasty medium scout drones :P
He is in a rifter and I immediately get a lock on em, but this guy is fast and my drones are working him over as he gets out of my 20km range and the drones dinged his hull as he warped out.
He was doing the standard drop a secure container and move the ore over and grab an alt to collect maneuver.
If you go solo in this game, you will get jacked.
I even had a corpmate mining in his retreiver get blown up by a punisher. Just because he wanted the strip miners :P
The danger is out there... be aware.
Acerbus Vindictum may be able to use you.
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quellious
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.01 14:17:00 -
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To the original poster:
I don't know if you noticed before, but eve-online is a -multiplayer- game. You are discouraged from playing alone (or freelancer or whatever) by game mechanisms itself. I mean, that fact that you can't mine alone in empire without being robed is intended. Just gather some friends if you want to mine in empire.
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quellious
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