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Zarch AlDain
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zarch AlDain on 05/09/2006 16:15:45
Overall I like it - it answers a lot of the problems people have - it is a long way from perfect though.
A few problems:
1. Instas are not the only reasons for bookmarks. For example I have bookmarks at intervals out in all directions from certain stations in order to let me warp in on top of invaders if someone spots them for me.
2. At the moment making instas requires actual flying skill to get to the right place. I know my instas work and drop you inside the gate more often than not - I have had to make my own to replace REALLY bad ones though.
3. I may have missed this but how would instas be traded? If someone wants to set themselves up as a 'map maker' in eve then the closest thing to it at the moment is the person who goes out and makes all the instas.
If the idea is simply to solve database load then I have a really really simple suggestion:
At the moment you move into P&P and copy out.
Simply change that to copy in and copy out.
Suddenly instead of (lets say for lonetreks 620 odd instas):
Delete 620 objects
Create 620 bookmark rows
Create 620 objects
You just have:
Create 620 bookmark rows
Speaking as someone who has done a lot of SQL 620 rows is nothing at all. It's almost certainly the deletion and creation of objects that is taking the time.
If you don't want the bookmarks once you are done you can just junk or jetison them.
*editted for typos*
Zarch AlDain
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Zarch AlDain
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:08:00 -
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 Originally by: CaptainSeafort
Originally by: Borasso
Just get rid of why the vast majority of bookmarks are needed and 90% of your post goes away. Fix tedius travel. If you fix tedius travel, there'll be no market for bookmarks because you won't freakin' need them. Period. End of the vast, vast majority of all bookmarks. Why, then, would you buy bookmarks? You wouldn't, because you wouldn't need them.
this was the most ridiculous post ive read here in a long time. "what do you mean we cant levitate? just create antigravity drive, idiot"
anyway, this would reduce "tedious travel", by letting autopilot use these instas. read before you *****.
Originally by: Zarch AlDain
A few problems:
1. Instas are not the only reasons for bookmarks. For example I have bookmarks at intervals out in all directions from certain stations in order to let me warp in on top of invaders if someone spots them for me.
so long as they are further from the station than the maximum "warp to" range, they would stil be allowed as far as i can see.
But that's the point, they aren't
I am not going to go into details for tactical reasons but there are about 60 bookmarks at each station which are inside maximum warp distance and a similar number outside.
Originally by: CaptainSeafort
Originally by: Zarch AlDain
2. At the moment making instas requires actual flying skill to get to the right place. I know my instas work and drop you inside the gate more often than not - I have had to make my own to replace REALLY bad ones though.
correct, youd lose a profession - but youd also lose CCPs stated #1 lag causer, plus the instas would be guaranteed 100% accurate.
But I like the fact that instas aren't always accurate, that adds to the fun and the skill.
Originally by: CaptainSeafort
Originally by: Zarch AlDain
3. I may have missed this but how would instas be traded? If someone wants to set themselves up as a 'map maker' in eve then the closest thing to it at the moment is the person who goes out and makes all the instas.
map makers would haveta go back to old fashioned image maps =P
but, if ive read correctly, they might be transferable to others in the same station as you (possibly have a smaller beauracracy fee to stop instas costing 1m between the entire eve population) or accessible by all corp-members.
anyway, discuss more!
That would be a possibility...
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Zarch AlDain
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainSeafort
to the first point, slightly different placement and warping to 60km or whatever would solve this, although adding a degree of calculation to it.
At the moment if told someone is 50km above the station then no matter where I am in the system I can land 15km from them. If I (for example) had to warp to a safe 10000km below the station and then warp up at 100km from one 150km above the target will have gone before I am done.
That bookmark is a tactical one and nothing to do with instas.
However see the suggestion I just posted as a seperate thread rather than hijaking this one as I agree some sacrifices need to be made, it's just a matter of what ones.
Zarch AlDain
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Zarch AlDain
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Posted - 2006.09.07 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainSeafort
isnt the definition of sniping 250+km? -^
anyway, itd probly only need to be 120km exclusion zone, as (iirc) the furthest you can "warp to" is 100km
and zarch. i know what you mean, and i do appreciate that this system would smoosh it - but if we lose some tactical flexibility for a general better gameplay, i think its a worthy tradeoff. youll just haveta get a second person in an uber-ebil-ganky-slow ship to help you thump those velators 
Actually those are defensive bookmarks used to get a tackler in on top of people who were harrassing our stations before I decided to take a break from 0.0 ;)
Zarch AlDain
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