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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:39:00 -
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Well,
more a general question, becouse I¦m not very familiar with the new ew-drones.
Is it "reasonable" on a Blasterthron to use 4X Heavy-ECM-Drones (4, becouse i need space for 5X Warriors II.....tackler-doom), instead of 4X Berserker II?
Is the lack of firepower worth the ability to jamm?
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Krist Valentine
Amarr
Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:40:00 -
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I'd recommend going for firepower first. Jamming slows down a kill and as far as I've seen, Megathrons are used for quick ganks in the small gang or solo combat that you seem to be speaking of - jamming them doesn't always work, and gives them opportunities to call for backup.
But maybe I'm chatting rubbish.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:48:00 -
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matar in me says why not split it up? 2 hvy ecm and 3 hvy berserk? you only need a couple jams to turn the tide of a fight anyway
but i'm used to sacrificing damage for ability. versatility 4tw... however i'm not a mega guy
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Farjung
Gallente
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:49:00 -
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Depends what kind of setup you're using really. Gank setup which is putting out a 1000 dps from guns, you're not going to miss that ~250 dps all that much, and your tank's bound to be a bit weak, so taking the heat off with ECM drones is nice. Whereas a tank setup that's only putting out ~600 dps (or less for a really tanky setup) really needs damage drones a bit more just to break tanks in a reasonable amount of time.
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Nebuli
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Farjung
Depends what kind of setup you're using really. Gank setup which is putting out a 1000 dps from guns, you're not going to miss that ~250 dps all that much, and your tank's bound to be a bit weak, so taking the heat off with ECM drones is nice. Whereas a tank setup that's only putting out ~600 dps (or less for a really tanky setup) really needs damage drones a bit more just to break tanks in a reasonable amount of time.
Yep same as me.
Gank neutron thron set up I will use heavy ECM drones, like Farjung said the added heavy drone damage doesnt make "that" much difference where as a jam cycle will.
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:58:00 -
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So lets summon it ->
Gank -> ECM-Drones
Tank -> Zerks II
Thx for the fast replys m8s.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.31 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: xlop on 31/08/2006 00:06:48
Originally by: ChalSto
So lets summon it ->
Gank -> ECM-Drones
Tank -> Zerks II
Thx for the fast replys m8s.
imo if you can use t2 heavy drones and have high drone skills definitly use 5x heavy t2 drones. if you have poor drone skills the answer is simple, ecm drones or any drones that take low skills
imo 5 ogre2s or zerk2s are ftw, cos if u get jamed which happens often they will still be doing 300dps [ive been jamed before and the drones finished off the target]
imo a proper blasterthron pilot with max skills needs max drone skills and should have 5x t2 ogres or t2 zerks
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Nebuli
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.08.31 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
Edited by: xlop on 31/08/2006 00:06:48
Originally by: ChalSto
So lets summon it ->
Gank -> ECM-Drones
Tank -> Zerks II
Thx for the fast replys m8s.
imo if you can use t2 heavy drones and have high drone skills definitly use 5x heavy t2 drones. if you have poor drone skills the answer is simple, ecm drones or any drones that take low skills
imo 5 ogre2s or zerk2s are ftw, cos if u get jamed which happens often they will still be doing 300dps [ive been jamed before and the drones finished off the target]
imo a proper blasterthron pilot with max skills needs max drone skills and should have 5x t2 ogres or t2 zerks
Have high drone skills, can use tech II heavys etc, but I still use heavy ECMs in a gank neutron thron, the extra dps realy doesnt make as much difference as having the target jammed will, its not like 7 neutrons and 3 damage mods doesnt *****BSs anyway, reducing damage to yourself I find more important than increasing that done to the target.
Also using 5 heavys, either attack or ECM is fairly silly unless you know for sure you will only be fighting BS sized targets, 4 heavys and 5 lights is a better drone bay IMO.
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.31 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: xlop
Edited by: xlop on 31/08/2006 00:06:48
Originally by: ChalSto
So lets summon it ->
Gank -> ECM-Drones
Tank -> Zerks II
Thx for the fast replys m8s.
imo if you can use t2 heavy drones and have high drone skills definitly use 5x heavy t2 drones. if you have poor drone skills the answer is simple, ecm drones or any drones that take low skills
imo 5 ogre2s or zerk2s are ftw, cos if u get jamed which happens often they will still be doing 300dps [ive been jamed before and the drones finished off the target]
imo a proper blasterthron pilot with max skills needs max drone skills and should have 5x t2 ogres or t2 zerks
Have high drone skills, can use tech II heavys etc, but I still use heavy ECMs in a gank neutron thron, the extra dps realy doesnt make as much difference as having the target jammed will, its not like 7 neutrons and 3 damage mods doesnt *****BSs anyway, reducing damage to yourself I find more important than increasing that done to the target.
Also using 5 heavys, either attack or ECM is fairly silly unless you know for sure you will only be fighting BS sized targets, 4 heavys and 5 lights is a better drone bay IMO.
The ability to dish out godly damage to your target while he can't even fire back just screams out to me. Besides, if you've got a tanky setup and rely on drones to get that needed damage boost, you should be flying a Domi.
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Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.31 03:29:00 -
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I've turned around a number of fights on sisi with heavy ecm drones, blasterthron vs dominix. Domi jams you and starts slowly chewing on your armor and nosing you, and you keep popping cap charges like aspirin and wait for the break.
Which arrives when your drones jams him, then you rip him to pieces, while he still sits there wondering how come he lost lock when you were jammed.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.31 03:41:00 -
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im an old school blasterthron pilot, been one for a good 18months before ecm drones, and the difference from 800dps to 1100dps is noticble, also if ur jamed your still doing 300dps.
also if u dont use dmg drones, might aswell be in a domi [500dps drones and 400dps blasters] while having that extra mid to jam and also a better tank [no dmg mods]
plus jamming just seems cheap to me :)
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Farjung
Gallente
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.08.31 04:46:00 -
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Assuming ECM works like it claims to (which is, tbh, quite an assumption based on personal experience, but anyway):
One hypnos/t2 multispec with maxed skills has strength 6. Assuming a "typical" battleship has a sensor strength of 20, this is a 30% chance of a jam per 20 second cycle.
Four EC-900 heavy ecm drones have a 1 - [(1 - 2/20) ^ 4] = 34.4% chance of a jam per 20 second cycle (41% with 5). In addition they still have a chance to jam even if you are jammed, as Luc described. On the other hand, they can be destroyed fairly quickly. But having an extra mid for a jammer on a domi is not hands-down better than using ecm drones on a megathron.
I personally think ECM drones are one of the worst things to come into the game in recent times - taking everything that's wrong with ECM, and then increasing the effect of dice rolling in the outcome of small fights, but they are in a lot of situations extremely effective so for now I'll use them :\. Bit sad to see heavy drone 5 and drone int 5 go to waste, but the couple of hundred k sp alternative is just better in most situations at the moment.
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