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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.11.22 15:38:57 -
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There are a number of indicators that Linux gaming is growing:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2098972/steams-linux-game-count-explodes-in-one-year-big-publishers-still-absent.html
Star Citizen is nearly out and it won't run on Linux; so there is still a market share you won't be competed against if you go there again.
These guys have done most of the work https://www.playonlinux.com/en/ They just need a little help with a few bugs that come from your side, mostly the new launcher.
Ideas & stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Status: Bouncing on the diving board.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:07:06 -
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I'm currently running Mint 17, and the 1.7 version of WINE handles the launcher with no issues for me. I'm even able to get Singularity to update through the launcher with the basic one line script to make it connect to the proper server.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:11:45 -
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Confirming that the client runs pretty good under Wine. Launcher not so much, but at least it updates.
A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
231
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:14:22 -
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Also running Mint on one of my machines and have no issues with either the client or the launcher. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:20:15 -
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Yes, I have worked around it. Point is not that it is impossible. Point is that if CCP talked to that team, it could be very easy to install and run - optimally.
Ideas & stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Status: Bouncing on the diving board.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:38:38 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yes, I have worked around it. Point is not that it is impossible. Point is that if CCP talked to that team, it could be very easy to install and run - optimally.
Again, running Mint and using latest version of wine let me install, update, and run EvE, optimally as you call it. Likely the issue is your distro/wine combination, not the client itself. The only part of the client I can't run is the CQ, which I think is a waste of drive space to begin with.
You know, there used be an official Linux version of the client. iirc, support was pulled because of how the different distributions of Linux all operate just a little differently from each other, and keeping the client compatable across multiple distros was a pain.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:52:24 -
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PlayOnLinux is easy click and play. For those less tech savy and impatient.
Ideas & stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Status: Bouncing on the diving board.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
773
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:59:35 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:You know, there used be an official Linux version of the client. iirc, support was pulled because of how the different distributions of Linux all operate just a little differently from each other, and keeping the client compatable across multiple distros was a pain.
To be fair that is somewhat easy to fix. Just release a build for Ubuntu and be done with it. Most Ubuntu based distros like Mint will run it just fine and other distros can do the work to make it work on their particular distro. |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion
The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:55:02 -
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All that work to run on about 1% home users, why don't you just multiboot into Windows if you cannot get Wine to work? |
Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
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Posted - 2014.11.22 22:38:09 -
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CCP used to support Linux when I first joined.
Sad that they dropped that level of support.
Still cost is the issue though.
Mac apparently is only like 5% of the player base, so on the basis of the above the Mac client will be gone soon.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Jenshae Chiroptera
525
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:18:27 -
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To highlight http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Humblebundlebydonation.png from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_gaming
Ubuntu software centre would be a form of advertising and would be less red tape than SteamOS.
I am betting that the PlayOnLinux team do not need much. They are doing most of the pre-configuring to make games easier to install and run.
Ideas & stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Status: Bouncing on the diving board.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
767
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:38:21 -
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Noticing a lot more bugs with the new GUI.
Broadened the scope of this thread.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
Status: Rabid carebear
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
490
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Posted - 2015.05.11 02:57:10 -
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Unlocked at OP's request.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
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Posted - 2015.05.11 06:39:57 -
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I am not a Linux user - OS X guy here - but I would love to see CCP embrace more than just windows OS.
Yeah I use probably the most closed OS ecosystem in the world, but players should be stuck using an OS they don't like to enjoy a game they do.
The great thing is - as the OP stated there are groups out there who are trying to develop means to make it easier for the basic Joe.
We're in the 21st century, why can't people work together more to make great things happen.
Also - that 5% Mac base probably doesn't cover the people who use Wine or duel-boot to run EVE.
In My former alliance I knew at least 5 other Mac users - out of a group of like 300. Just saying the numbers might not look great but 5 people to say every 300 isn't bad for a game with like 50000 people.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:35:02 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:... I don't know the cost to live in Iceland - but that is more than enough to pay for a Linux Developer/diplo to assist with developing that platform. The best part is that it was supported in a less games friendly time. Now Linux users are starting to realise that they can play good game and EVE won't be a complete re-write to make compatible. I also think Linux users have more of the right mind set to enjoy EVE.
Adding one idea, forgotten another.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
363
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:40:14 -
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They did announce that HBO thing for eve a whiles back... |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.11 15:15:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:... I don't know the cost to live in Iceland - but that is more than enough to pay for a Linux Developer/diplo to assist with developing that platform. The best part is that it was supported in a less games friendly time. Now Linux users are starting to realise that they can play good game and EVE won't be a complete re-write to make compatible. I also think Linux users have more of the right mind set to enjoy EVE. Adding one idea, forgotten another.
To me it looks like the opposite as die hard Linux user's can't seem to adapt to have a windows machine to run the game. Why would they adapt to changes in EVE? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.11 19:45:05 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:... I don't know the cost to live in Iceland - but that is more than enough to pay for a Linux Developer/diplo to assist with developing that platform. The best part is that it was supported in a less games friendly time. Now Linux users are starting to realise that they can play good game and EVE won't be a complete re-write to make compatible. I also think Linux users have more of the right mind set to enjoy EVE. Adding one idea, forgotten another. To me it looks like the opposite as die hard Linux user's can't seem to adapt to have a windows machine to run the game. Why would they adapt to changes in EVE? 25 reason to use Linux
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:03:53 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:To me it looks like the opposite as die hard Linux user's can't seem to adapt to have a windows machine to run the game. Why would they adapt to changes in EVE?
Drawing a real shaky correlation here chief.
Actually Linux people like change....its why they have it as their OS. It allows for lots of change. They want a client like Mac OS. Which to be accurate is a modified BDS distro at its core. Now BSD vs Linux vs Unix....geek holy wars have started over this lol.
Linux's problem happens to be its abilty to change. The have the dilemma of choosing a few over the many (ie. many packages I use choose cent os/rh and Ubuntu/debian only, rest can get real iffy with builds off source).
Mac makes this easier since its one ring to rule them all. Its their redone BSD no variants. I tbh to add more stuff have come to rely heavily on several "brew" projects to get back lost bsd/unix/Linux functionality in mac os.
Or as some said there is project for this which is whole other set of problems. Commercial relying on open source tools like this is chancy. Ideally you want control over everything. last time CCP let external do its own thing probably made them gun shy as well. IIRC for whatever reason CCP and steam/valve weren't on the same sheet of music for quite a few days a ways back. End result....no eve on steam for you. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:13:26 -
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Added optimising.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:02:45 -
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Please CCP open a line of communication with the PlayOnLinux team.
This download on demand client keeps corrupting.
P.S. Be really good on the advanced search thing of these forums if sections most used or we have threads started in were bold when going through the drop down.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis
Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.25 12:27:49 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:LinuxThere are a number of indicators that Linux gaming is growing: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2098972/steams-linux-game-count-explodes-in-one-year-big-publishers-still-absent.html
Star Citizen is nearly out and it won't run on Linux; so there is still a market share you won't be competed against if you go there again. These guys have done most of the work https://www.playonlinux.com/en/ They just need a little help with a few bugs that come from your side, mostly the new launcher. TV seriesUsing the EVE assets and rich lore, maybe it is time to make a TV series? There isn't much out there in the way of space dramas currently. Player Generated AssetsCreate tools for players to upload license free assets that would then be moderated by the CCP team. Ensuring that some things are requested to have some changes (a lot of changes such as "Missing three versions for graphics quality levels" can be standard scripted and selected replies to attach to the request for further work) and others are rejected as not following the guidelines or art direction. This could be used to create:
- Clothes for our characters
- Ship interiors
- Space station interiors.
MarketingCCP could design some A4 adverts, that players could print out and pass around, maybe with their character names on them so that the people from their home populace have a mentor. If CCP wants higher standard of quality on their advertising, they could do a shared cost plan, where they print out glossy, maybe laminated adverts with double sided tape and pre-cut holes for string. These could then go into shop windows or on lap posts. In terms of being shared cost, the players pay half the cost of producing and delivering the material to them, which means they are less likely to throw them away and waste CCP's funds. (There might be some way of sinking PLEX into this, which CCP can then write off.) OptimisingMaking the client more mid and low spec machine friendly via settings and improving the code could open up a group of people who don't want to lay out for a machine that would run Star Citizen as an example. EVE and it server nodes are renowned. EVE client could gain as much fame.
Linux:
Sounds like lots of players can already play on Linux, so CCP's job is done. I'd rather the dev team not devote any time or resources to trying to make the client run perfectly on the dozens of different distros of an OS that 1% or less of users run.
TV Servies:
Would be cool, in a perfect world +1... but in reality, where it's just a waste of CCP's money, -1.
Player Generated Assets:
Again... -1 just for dev time and CCP's funds. I see no benefit from this. We might get 1 good piece of artwork for every 1000 joke-submissions or just genuine terrible attempts. No thanks.
Marketing:
Okay... why in the world would I pay to advertise for CCP? I already pay subscriptions. It would be a cold day in hell if I ever paid any money for some glossy print-outs to staple on telephone poles like lost puppy flyers.
And finally,
Optimising:
Please kindly GTFO with this crap. Asking for the client to be downgraded to run on older systems? Sounds like the direct opposite of progress. I'm over here wishing for a brand new game engine with collision physics and line-of-sight, etc... and you want CCP to spend time and money making the client run better on older systems?
Yes hello Doctor? I'd like to request a round of chemotherapy to remove this cancer from my game.
But really, in all seriousness, EVE is a very low resource game. The graphics on MAX do not take that much GPU power, and turning them down to lowest makes it so low quality that laptops can run it. No joke... I can open up TEAMVIEWER on my **** laptop at work, connect to my gaming PC at home, and open up EVE on MAX settings... over Teamviewer! No I'd never play it like this, but it runs, and I can chat, view market data, and ship spin (laggily).
If ANYONE has trouble running the EVE client, they need a new PC.
PLEASE don't try to get CCP to spend my subscription money on regressing the game. We need the opposite, we need upgrades.
The UI update we deserve
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.25 13:19:56 -
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Linux:
You missed the point that another team, the PlayOnLinux one does most of the heavy lifting. CCP would just help them along.
Ubuntu Software Center is continuous advertising.
TV Servies:
Does not have to be CCP's money
Player Generated Assets:
Rubbish submissions are gone in two key presses and a lot of that can be player moderated via voting for deletion.
Long term this could be exceptional for CCP.
Marketing:
Putting up adverts for CCP would be like giving a PLEX to a newbie or helping new players or running a Youtube channel. People do these things and "pay forward."
Optimising:
Please kindly understand what optimising is and that it would improve performance on ALL machines.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis
Spaceship Bebop
153
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Posted - 2015.06.25 13:40:24 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Linux: You missed the point that another team, the PlayOnLinux one does most of the heavy lifting. CCP would just help them along. Ubuntu Software Center is continuous advertising. TV Servies:Does not have to be CCP's money Player Generated Assets: Rubbish submissions are gone in two key presses and a lot of that can be player moderated via voting for deletion. Long term this could be exceptional for CCP. Marketing: Putting up adverts for CCP would be like giving a PLEX to a newbie or helping new players or running a Youtube channel. People do these things and "pay forward." Optimising: Please kindly understand what optimising is and that it would improve performance on ALL machines.
1. No I didn't miss the point, CCP "helping them along" is still CCP doing something. Which is CCP spending time and money. Which in my opinion is not-needed, since we've seen several people post here that they run EVE on Linux fine.
2. If some rich producer offers to fund an EVE TV show, great. Meanwhile in the real world, keep dreaming.
3. My argument is... the time and money used to implement this, and then simply having members of the art team spend their time reviewing and yes, even two-key-press-deleting the bad submissions, is still a waste of dev time and money, to me.
4. Lol, I'd never give a plex to a newbie. No, paying for flyers to be mailed to me is not the same as helping a newbie in game, or like running a Youtube channel. People run gaming Youtube channels because it's fun for them, and can even make them money. PAYING money to get some laminated flyers sent to you, that you then have to go spend time and effort (work) to put up around town... seriously just... who would do this? Noble but silly idea.
5. You didn't say optimize for all systems, you said optimize for old systems. And my point remains the same, I want the exact opposite, I want CCP to push the boundaries of their code to make EVE a "next-gen" game. Not try to keep it running on legacy systems as well as they can.
If you had said, "optimize the game to improve performance", I'd support that 100%. But still would prefer that they focus on upgrades at the expense of performance (like games tend to do, attempting to push the boundaries of hardware), rather than increasing performance at the cost of graphics and gameplay enhancement.
The UI update we deserve
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