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Phanca Zanjoahir Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.11.23 03:51:03 - [1] - Quote The holodisk is passed to you by a friend of an acquaintance of a friend, after days of whispered rumor. A newly-graduated capsuleer from Royal Amarr Institute was kidnapped, they say. No ransom, just one demand. The video is of poor quality, and the audio is distorted. A young Amarr woman sits limply in a chair opposite the camera, her arms shackled at her sides. An IV bag runs into her left arm and her makeup is smeared with tears. To her right, barely visible off-camera in shadow, a figure holds up a poster-sized card for her to read. "My name is Phanca Zanjoahir. I am a capsuleer graduate of Royal Amarr Institute. Today's date is 23 November 116. My father, Dera-" She begins weeping, and the off-screen figure speaks. Their voice is mechanically distorted beyond the quality of the recording. "Read all of it, Phanca." She sniffles, lifts her head languidly, and locks eyes with the other individual. "My father, Derafsh-e Zanjoahir, is a Holder within the Empire, contractual owner of approximately fifteen thousand slaves. There are Holders with more slaves, and Holders who display more cruelty. Both traits are unaccept-" She chokes for a moment, hesitates, and continues reading. "Unacceptable. I will be generous today. For the hundreds of slaves who die in his care every year, Holder Zanj-" She breaks down into hysterical weeping. The figure sighs, drops his card, and steps into view of the camera. He is large, wearing a traditional Amarrian hooded cloak and a mask of Molok the Deceiver. "For the hundreds of slaves who die in his care every year, Holder Zanjoahir loses one life dear to him. Phanca here is a line in the sand. The Empire has thrown its lot in with the Caldari State and its perpetual war in hopes of drawing attention away from the lip service shown to true abolition. This is no longer an option. Until slavery as an institution dies within the Amarr Empire, so too will its newly-graduated capsuleers - the weapons in their precious war." The masked figure steps to behind Phanca, draws a firearm, and discharges a single round through her right temple. The quality of the image thankfully spares you most of the gritty details of her final moments. He steps over her body to the camera, picks it up, and reaches for the controls. "Check."
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:08:35 - [2] - Quote well, when a point has to be made, best make it violently. nobody ignores violence. trying to type all this on a broken phone at work sucks.
Anslo Scope Works 22477	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:09:27 - [3] - Quote Video honestly seems fake given the quality. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4205	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:12:19 - [4] - Quote So, a few things. First of all, there is no such thing as ethical zero-sum - if you become a monster to fight a monster, you're still a monster. You were angry at that little girl's father - but you chose to go after her and not him. Congratulations and welcome to monster-hood. The good news is that you probably deeply upset one person and no doubt scared more than that. You've made your point and established that you can make one Amarrian pay dearly for the deaths of hundreds of Matari slaves. Your bona fides as a man willing to do anything to further his cause have been established. Your name is now on some radars and you'll find you have access to funding and opportunities that you didn't have access to before. Now for the bad news... Nobody here is frightened or impressed - either by the little girl you just killed or by the fifteen thousand slaves you claim to be acting in agency for. The last person on here to do what you did - kill to buy notoriety - did it by killing a million slaves in a very public part of space. That's the stakes at this table - gigadeath crimes. You should be aware that whilst some were appalled at the loss of life, most of us shook our heads at the profligate waste of resources. Most were more affected by the loss of the freighter that the slaves were stored in than by the loss of the slaves. You're going to have to get very creative now, because you just caught the attention of people who will escalate this to places you don't even understand exist. Yet. I wonder who will be the first to announce they've executed slaves? I wonder what the ratio will be 50:1 or 500:1 or more? I wonder if they'll just blackjack some poor TLF sap outside a bar and go tit-for-tat that way? Do you have a lover? A homeworld? Maker forbid you still have living family. There are people here who will take the greatest of pleasure in finding those things out. Me? I'm just miffed you're blaming MY people for a war that YOUR people started. That's right - the Republic declared war on the State - until that moment we really didn't care WHAT you got up to in your part of New Eden. And you should like us, too. Outside of Capsuleer limited trading channels, you won't find a legal slave in the State. We never HAVE had legal slavery - the practice is seen as economically backwards and foolish. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Anslo Scope Works 22477	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:19:27 - [5] - Quote Wait you think that wasn't fake? Huh. Well then. I have a new toy to play with. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4208	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:26:50 - [6] - Quote Anslo wrote: Wait you think that wasn't fake? Huh. Well then. I have a new toy to play with. Well, the pathology is certainly plausible. Pick up a brand-new capsuleer, barely out of training. Probably not even soft-clone backed up. No experience yet, possibly never podded. We must look a lot like regular people to them, at that stage in our careers. She probably didn't even have any serious physical security. Promised Daddy that she'd stick to the capsuleer part of the station but, you know, she's grown-up now. Graduated. Capsuleer. Why not go where the air's less stuffy and let her hair down for once? Heck, she wouldn't even have to leave the capsuleer part of the station - I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to persuade some sympathetic eggers that the Amarrian has it coming. Smuggle her past security by covering her plugs. Maybe bribe a guard. This sort of thing is easier than you'd think. The only reason I don't travel with a company of marines at all times is because even if someone tags me in the flesh, I've got failsafes. There was a time when I was young and stupid enough not to, though. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Anslo Scope Works 22477	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:30:18 - [7] - Quote Hey Tuulinen. If you're already a monster, is there anything that you'd do to another monsters...."pals" that'd make you more so a monster? [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4208	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:31:05 - [8] - Quote Gosh - there are lots of things, depending on the circumstances, Anslo. It's very situational, because, as you know, every monster is different and I'm no different, in that respect. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jvpiter Jovelike 2030	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:19:09 - [9] - Quote It seems like masked man has denied himself the opportunity to negotiate with a valuable hostage. He may have even influenced the freedom of some quantity of slaves if he wasn't so interested in exhibiting his moral ejaculate in front of the camera. Call me Joe.
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 301	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:37:35 - [10] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Nobody here is frightened or impressed - either by the little girl you just killed or by the fifteen thousand slaves you claim to be acting in agency for. This bears repeating. I could expand and go on about how this is a dreadfully tedious waste of time and energy, because simply, who cares? But that itself would be dreadfully tedious. Please go away and find a new party trick to shock us with.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour 659	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:49:11 - [11] - Quote A few years ago, some Minmatar terrorists threatened to execute 1000 Amarr prisoners-of-war, unless 1 million Minmatar slaves were freed into their care. The Minmatar terrorists had no intention of handing over the 1000 P.O.W.s, they wanted to execute them. Except someone called their bluff. And offered one million Minmatar "slaves". So the exchange was made, and the 1000 Amarr people were returned to their families. Meanwhile, the Angry Minmatar Terrorists, raging at their bluff being called, interrogated the Minmatar that they were given, and those deemed not to be sufficiently "Minmatar", were executed. Well, some of them were. You see, as it turns out, the Angry Minmatar Terrorists, sold a substantial amount of those Minmatar, back into slavery. To get ISK for ships and war declarations. Because they couldn't accept that they had been outplayed, and they weren't going to turn down the vast sum of money that 1m slaves represented, on the markets. The thing is though, that those 1m Minmatar "slaves", weren't slaves at all, according to some rather juicy gossip that I heard a couple months ago. Turns out, that following the Empress Jamyl's proclamation of freedom for 9th generation slaves, and the statement that the Age of Slavery was ending, a lot of slave holders looked at their recently acquired slaves and thought "I'd better get rid of these, before the Empress finds out". Some of them, were indeed 9th generation freemen, that the Angry Minmatar Terrorists sold into slavery. But, and this is the most controversial thing, according to my source, the vast majority of the "slaves", were in fact recently abducted Republic citizens, from the war zone in Heimatar and Metropolis. They were told by their captors, just prior to this exchange, that some "Ammatar Mandate Police" were going to question them, and if they appeared sufficiently Faithful, they'd be set free. So the Angry Minmatar Terrorists, looking at people who appeared Faithful, decided to execute them, or sell them into slavery. They sold Republic citizens into slavery, or killed them for being "too Amarrian". A cruel twist of fate. But there's more! This whole shenanigan, turned out to be a ploy, intended to discredit the Amarr organisation that conducted the exchange, discredit them enough that the likes of the Praetorians would never listen to their opinions again. Subterfuge indeed. So, to the apparent perpetrator of whatever is going on here, I say: You'll have to do a lot more to be considered dangerous.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1428	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:54:59 - [12] - Quote Neither this girl was, nor Holders are monsters. They are guilty only in living their lives like their ancestors did. Slavery, although unlawful in the State space, is widely accepted and is norm of life in the Empire, like for us, for example, to give children into schools instead of leaving them for self-education. Demanding the Empire to stop slavery is simply equal to demand for us to stop giving our children to schools. There is, however, a society that is built on hatred to other cultures, that is racist all through and tries to force their ideals into others. They were fighting slavery and subjugating those, who practitioned it only because they didn't like their way of life. They even tried to subjugate us, but we gave them bleeding nose. Only meeting of the Empire and witnessing Imperial might stopped them in their senseless crusade against slavery. Yet they have managed to instigate slavery revolt in the Empire, that created the Republic, that is somehow still allowed to exist. And now they resort to such tactic. No, the only monsters in this recording are captors, they just killing people for living as they want to live. And for this, we must fight them. And we must win, and we will bring the justice on gallentean monsters. With fire and steel.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1428	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:57:02 - [13] - Quote With this, I put a bounty of 100 mil isk for bringing me, dead or alive, those, who staged this. Fake it or not.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 43	Posted - 2014.11.23 11:40:20 - [14] - Quote Hm. Unverified. Somewhat unlikely, for that matter. I can't really think of a reason why there'd be no softclone. Not that I disapprove. Go for their families. Pay back the generations of suffering. The debt that has accumulated over many hundreds of years. Wade in blood if need be. The Empire is only too happy to use the "sins" of the father as an excuse for their atrocities, so I really see no problem in paying back that debt in kind. Just make sure you get independent verification next time. This sort of thing only works if it's believable. tl:dr, citation needed.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1428	Posted - 2014.11.23 14:21:53 - [15] - Quote And +50m bounty more if they actually will be alive. Of course that implies bringing them to me in accessible form alive. As a cargo.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4215	Posted - 2014.11.23 16:50:16 - [16] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Hm. Unverified. Somewhat unlikely, for that matter. I can't really think of a reason why there'd be no softclone. Not that I disapprove. Go for their families. Pay back the generations of suffering. The debt that has accumulated over many hundreds of years. Wade in blood if need be. The Empire is only too happy to use the "sins" of the father as an excuse for their atrocities, so I really see no problem in paying back that debt in kind. Just make sure you get independent verification next time. This sort of thing only works if it's believable. tl:dr, citation needed. Idiot. You can't repay suffering. Anything you extract is never enough, because it is not the target of your anger that needs to change but you. All you do is create more like you on the other side with each atrocity begetting an answering atrocity until either one group of you is dead or someone with vision and courage ends the cycle. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 43	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:12:53 - [17] - Quote The cycle ends when there are no more of mine in bondage. You would not leave a son or a daughter behind in the name of a peace that'd only last until the Empire decides to "reclaim" again. I will not leave my kin behind for that false peace. They will never willingly release them and thus the only remaining option is force. Terror if need be. I simply don't pretend I'm not enjoying seeing the debt paid in the process. While as much as one of my kin still suffers under the Empire, peace is an impossibility, which is why we come for our people. Failing that, we'll simply have to settle for theirs.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4215	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:27:36 - [18] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: The cycle ends when there are no more of mine in bondage. You would not leave a son or a daughter behind in the name of a peace that'd only last until the Empire decides to "reclaim" again. I will not leave my kin behind for that false peace. They will never willingly release them and thus the only remaining option is force. Terror if need be. I simply don't pretend I'm not enjoying seeing the debt paid in the process. While as much as one of my kin still suffers under the Empire, peace is an impossibility, which is why we come for our people. Failing that, we'll simply have to settle for theirs. Neither tactic will work, or your people would already be free. Force will only move the Empire if it is sufficiently large to shock it out of complacency. If the Elder fleet had succeeded, for example. What Ushra'cant is doing simply confirms the Empire in it's beliefs and strengths. They believe that you do the very little little that you do because you cannot do more. The fact that what you are trying to achieve is an impossibility that would cripple both the Republic and the Empire if you succeeded probably hasn't escaped them. What you have, Mizhara, is less a cause and more an excuse for your lifestyle. Still, at least you're having fun with it. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 637	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:48:36 - [19] - Quote Hmm. On the one side I could vow for every innocent this terrorist is verified to kill that I would execute and biomass 10 slaves or PoW of Matari origin I have in my personal posession, because **** whoever made that video. Or I could cheer at the death of a Capsuleer, one who would've probably become an enemy of mine. Gosh, decisions... Maybe both?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 43	Posted - 2014.11.23 17:53:42 - [20] - Quote I don't need to move the entire Empire. If I take one of my kin back, I've succeeded. If I take two, I've succeeded. If I take a million, I've succeeded. If I can make one Holder understand that for him, it'll cost dearly if he does not find a better path, I've succeeded. If I inspire a baseliner to voice support for freedom, I've succeeded. If a slave stands up and refuses to live on his knees, I've succeeded. I don't have to move the entire Empire. I won the day I was no longer bound by it. They need to move, if they want an end to our efforts.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 638	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:00:57 - [21] - Quote Pieter is a perfect angel of Morality, dear. Not sure if you're up to date on things but Pyre doesn't do that whole Network business. Besides, don't lie to me and say you wouldn't celebrate when two enemies of yours fought against eachother.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 43	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:05:24 - [22] - Quote What Pyre does now is in question, given their current stock of employees.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 638	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:11:30 - [23] - Quote Pyre Falcon provides tactical assistance to the 24th's Military and Logistical goals against the enemies in the Amarrian and Minmatar Factional Warzone space. Our use of competatively priced Frigates, Destroyers, and Cruisers combined with Veteran pilots and crews allow us to deliver a high efficiency service to the Crusade, the Empress, and the Imperial people as a whole. Also we get to claim to be Allies with PIE, and the looks on their faces is worth the price of admission.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4219	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:26:52 - [24] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I don't need to move the entire Empire. If I take one of my kin back, I've succeeded. If I take two, I've succeeded. If I take a million, I've succeeded. If I can make one Holder understand that for him, it'll cost dearly if he does not find a better path, I've succeeded. If I inspire a baseliner to voice support for freedom, I've succeeded. If a slave stands up and refuses to live on his knees, I've succeeded. I don't have to move the entire Empire. I won the day I was no longer bound by it. They need to move, if they want an end to our efforts. Besides, as your fellow Sansha loyalist here shows, PY-RE is turning out to be home to worse than the Empire ever has been. I doubt you are in a position to give advice on neither morality, ethics or even practicality as showcased above. What am I supposed to do with this? You just moved your goalposts from the unachievable to the already achieved in the space of two posts. Congratulations! A winner is you - according to your new definition - so, here's the question, why are you still playing the game so hard? And, yes, we have some real monsters in Pyre Falcon. Vincent Price, Kalaratiri, Utsukushi, Tiberious Thessalonia and his assorted mob of Sansha Loyalists. But here's the thing, Mizhara - they all did evil in a cause. Just like you. That makes them all monsters - just like you. I used to be a genuinely good man, so I can say this with some authority. From where a genuinely good man stands in objective judgement the difference between Ushra-Khan and Pyre Falcon cannot even be seen on the clearest of days. The difference only exists in the lines you draw in your own head and in the justification your imagined ends grant your ever-so dubious means. The secret to morality is this - the big picture is fable. Good things you do for evil reasons remain good things, but do not make YOU good. Evil things you do for good reasons remain evil and your intentions do not absolve you of their stain. The only thing that makes you good is the good you do out of genuinely altruistic reasons. As we know, the cluster contains roughly equal amounts of selfless altruism and pixie dust. Why haven't I screamed and shouted and left Pyre Falcon when my boss invited in the monsters? Because we already were monsters and everywhere else I could go was run by and full of monsters too. What was the point, at the end of the day, in pretending I'm better than Tiberious or Vincent, just because I've never tortured an innocent, drugged her and then murdered her in public to make a political point? Like you advocated doing, just now. Tch. Ethics is HARD isn't it? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour 661	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:30:32 - [25] - Quote For extra comedy, I'll point out that Mizhara was one of the Angry Minmatar Terrorists that I mentioned in my previous post. You know, the ones that murdered or sold Republic citizens.
Anslo Scope Works 22507	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:32:12 - [26] - Quote Ooooh this is getting good. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 259	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:28:21 - [27] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Also we get to claim to be Allies with PIE, and the looks on their faces is worth the price of admission. You can, of course, claim whatever you want. I also fully expect that our faces will maintain their usual stoic disposition regardless of the nonsense Sansha Supporters inevitably spew. Lord Admiral of PIE inc. \| -áRecruitment Information \| Public Forum \| Neocom channel: "PIE Public" \| Amarr Victor!
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 868	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:56:20 - [28] - Quote You're all monsters. This universe is full of monsters.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 219	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:28:59 - [29] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: You're all monsters. This universe is full of monsters. Cool! Does that mean I get to wear a rubber giant monster suit and rampage on cardboard cities? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Deitra Vess Scope Works 80	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:31:59 - [30] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: You're all monsters. This universe is full of monsters. I don't think I'm a monster.......
Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 189	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:46:04 - [31] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: You're all monsters. This universe is full of monsters. I don't think I'm a monster....... What you think does not change the fact of what you are. You merely mimic humanity, but you are no longer part of it. You may emulate the morality of humanity, but deep down we all know we no longer are able to truly abide by it. The sooner you accept it, the easier the adjustment to your new existence will be. You can respect humanity, or try to safeguard it against the depredations of others, but like the others you are a monster, a different breed than the others wearing different tags, but a monster nonetheless. "He who makes a beast out of himself,gets rid of the pain of being a human" That is a choice you made and unwittingly accepted when you became a capsuleer. Now embrace and accept it, to humanity - this is what you already are. Vincent Pryce, Archangel of Asakai
Deitra Vess Scope Works 80	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:11:46 - [32] - Quote So having some (fleeting) sense of morality holds nothing towards maintaining humanity? No one was born a monster, you weren't, I wasn't. What we choose to become is what defines that. And to be clear I'm referring to our own actions, not to becoming a capsuleer. Whether your a monster in the eyes of another is something entirely.Though I'd believe your actions are justified in your eyes, as are mine in my eyes.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Echelon White 1661	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:16:11 - [33] - Quote A man once told me over a glass of vodka and a cigar: There is such a thing as the banality of evil. The first few kills, they're the hardest ones, the ones you remember for the rest of your life. You think it's the most difficult thing to do. Then one day you look into the faces of the people you are about to condemn and know it's the simplest thing to pull the trigger, and one or a million it's all the same in the end. I didn't need the hydrostatic capsule implants to eventually realize the truth in the practical wisdom of a Civire. Take it from me though, I only hope the executioner in question at least put a tarpaulin down first and used a subsonic hollowpoint round because there's nothing professional or decorous in having blood stuck in the fibres of a nice carpet. Does no one ever think of the carpets?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 220	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:28:10 - [34] - Quote Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: A man once told me over a glass of vodka and a cigar: There is such a thing as the banality of evil. The first few kills, they're the hardest ones, the ones you remember for the rest of your life. You think it's the most difficult thing to do. Then one day you look into the faces of the people you are about to condemn and know it's the simplest thing to pull the trigger, and one or a million it's all the same in the end. I didn't need the hydrostatic capsule implants to eventually realize the truth in the practical wisdom of a Civire. Take it from me though, I only hope the executioner in question at least put a tarpaulin down first and used a subsonic hollowpoint round because there's nothing professional or decorous in having blood stuck in the fibres of a nice carpet. Does no one ever think of the carpets? We are in space. Why not just send them all out of the airlock without pressurised suits? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Echelon White 1662	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:38:09 - [35] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: We are in space. Why not just send them all out of the airlock without pressurised suits? Oh, no doubt I would agree. Vacuum induced asphyxiation and the disposal of the remains through atmospheric cremation by opening aforementioned airlock in an adjusted decay orbit of a suitable planetary object is in my view the most efficient and hassle-free means available to a capsuleer desiring to execute someone. It does however lack that certain expected emotional impact desired by those performing one of those propaganda of the deed PR stunts, you know?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4224	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:01:01 - [36] - Quote See, here is the thing. As a capsuleer, you are a weapon - whether you embrace that truth or not. Flying warships is what you do, better than anyone. Now it is true that you don't have to embrace that potential, but most of us do. I hunt other capsuleers, but I've still slaughtered more baseliners than a thousand serial killers. Those of you who make your money killing non-pod ships? That is worse. So, you're either a killer or a wallhanger. Most of us succumb to the lure of a cause. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1439	Posted - 2014.11.24 06:22:42 - [37] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Hmm. On the one side I could vow for every innocent this terrorist is verified to kill that I would execute and biomass 10 slaves or PoW of Matari origin I have in my personal posession, because **** whoever made that video. Or I could cheer at the death of a Capsuleer, one who would've probably become an enemy of mine. Gosh, decisions... Maybe both? Then you will be no better than them, Ms. Polevhia. According to the basic justice principle you can't sentence those, who didn't commit the crime, if you know that it was committed by others.
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 320	Posted - 2014.11.24 07:06:36 - [38] - Quote "Monsters" "Good" "Evil" Strange terms to be throwing about in a supposedly adult conversation. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4228	Posted - 2014.11.24 08:29:01 - [39] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: "Monsters" "Good" "Evil" Strange terms to be throwing about in a supposedly adult conversation. If I was a drug dealer, I'd probably try and convince myself of that too. Sadly I was a cop before I was a capsuleer, so about the only naivety I had left at graduation was that good and evil picked sides and that monsters didn't speak Napaani. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1440	Posted - 2014.11.24 08:32:02 - [40] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Karynn Denton wrote: "Monsters" "Good" "Evil" Strange terms to be throwing about in a supposedly adult conversation. If I was a drug dealer, I'd probably try and convince myself of that too. Sadly I was a cop before I was a capsuleer, so about the only naivety I had left at graduation was that good and evil picked sides and that monsters didn't speak Napaani. Monsters speak language originated on Luminaire VI.

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