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Cargo Virpio
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.23 20:58:52 -
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I've got shield extenders, but I'm not going to last long if someone wanted to gank me.
About what cap on the value of my cargo should I place so that people won't bother? I've been at 60m so far without any problems. Is 100m pushing it too far?
Thanks, |

Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
34
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Posted - 2014.11.23 21:02:21 -
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As much as you want if you know what your doin. Dont be asleep at the wheel.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Cargo Virpio
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.11.23 21:52:39 -
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I tried running 300m when I was first learning, and got insta-locked/popped as I was trying to align after jumping through a stargate. I wasn't AFK, they just nabbed me. |

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
2078
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Posted - 2014.11.23 21:56:23 -
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Think about how much tank you have and how many ships it would take to bring you down. Resists are important here, use the lowest figure like in the EVE fitting window. Then, take into account whether you're autopiloting or actually warping gate-to-gate, your align time, your route, whether you're cloak/MWDing, what time of day it is, etc... Basically if you're not autopiloting you can safely carry a lot more. All depends on how much you're prepared to lose (that includes the laughs you're giving up on the KM, too).
A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
307
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:03:21 -
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A single nado will probably be able to alpha you off the grid. That means the cost to gank is about 80 mil. Plan accordingly. I would think 200 mil is a hard cap, and I'd try to keep it under 150 mil. |

voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
298
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:34:48 -
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Have you considered using one of the hauling firms like Red Frog or Push Industries? The 300mill you lost could have paid for 600 jumps at 500k per jump and as long as you set the collateral right you only have to wait. |

CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
786
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:49:12 -
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I would suggest the purchase of a permit to completely ensure safety.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
787
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:49:12 -
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I would suggest the purchase of a permit to completely ensure safety.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3664
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:59:06 -
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I see little reason to consider hauling yourself when you can pay a useful idiot (the polite term is public courier contractor) to take all of the risk for a minute fraction of the reward.
These useful idiots are a valuable resource.
Prior to me being permanently under wardecs, I used to do only urgent hauling myself, and had a limit: 50 million in a T1 hauler, 200 million in a Gnosis (they actually can haul more than you think, with a decent shield tank and serious EWAR in the form of neuts), and 2 billion in an interceptor.
Anything that requires an Orca or a freighter is split into parcels of a billion or less (preferably much less) and placed up as a ridiculously low paying contract if it's not urgent, and a merely low paying one if it is.
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You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I gank.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
307
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:31:17 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I see little reason to consider hauling yourself when you can pay a useful idiot (the polite term is public courier contractor) to take all of the risk for a minute fraction of the reward.
These useful idiots are a valuable resource.
Prior to me being permanently under wardecs, I used to do only urgent hauling myself, and had a limit: 50 million in a T1 hauler, 200 million in a Gnosis (they actually can haul more than you think, with a decent shield tank and serious EWAR in the form of neuts), and 2 billion in an interceptor.
Anything that requires an Orca or a freighter is split into parcels of a billion or less (preferably much less) and placed up as a ridiculously low paying contract if it's not urgent, and a merely low paying one if it is.
This is my policy as well. Hauling can be outsourced risklessly for dirt cheap prices. |
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
334
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Posted - 2014.11.24 05:05:52 -
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Depends on your defenses and sec status. I haul through a few high-sec jumps with about 300mil ISK of PI in an Epithal, because I can fit the MWD+cloak trick (I still tend to avoid Uedama, of course). This trick makes you practically invulnerable in high-sec, if you actively use it. Same for the Badger. The Itty is a bit disappointing because it can hold a whopping 35k-40k m3 with a decent fit but the tank and align are just terrible. |

Aeryn Maricadie
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
2
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Posted - 2014.11.24 06:25:01 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I see little reason to consider hauling yourself when you can pay a useful idiot (the polite term is public courier contractor) to take all of the risk for a minute fraction of the reward.
These useful idiots are a valuable resource.
Prior to me being permanently under wardecs, I used to do only urgent hauling myself, and had a limit: 50 million in a T1 hauler, 200 million in a Gnosis (they actually can haul more than you think, with a decent shield tank and serious EWAR in the form of neuts), and 2 billion in an interceptor.
Anything that requires an Orca or a freighter is split into parcels of a billion or less (preferably much less) and placed up as a ridiculously low paying contract if it's not urgent, and a merely low paying one if it is. I do similar things however I go to about 100 mil in haulers (tanked, piloted, and warp stabbed) faction modules, blue loot, nano-ribbons and the like go in bait tanked combat ships (drakes/gnosis/prophecy/T3) never had a problem with them
an Interceptor on the other hand I have lost to a gate camp. I was on my way (thank bob) to Jita to pick up a fed navy stasis web, took a shortcut through low and lost it to another interceptor and a gnosis, I'm guessing the interceptor was probly Sebo'd and remote sebo'd by the gnosis and i only had one nanofiber on as well.
I also lost a bomber during a wardec undocking in Amarr, I thought I could make it to an insta-undock, but as it turns out with enough Sebo's you can lock even a frigate in the time it takes to initiate warp (when you lose your invulnerability) to the time they actually do warp even if they are prealigned
Point is enough Sebo's will get you I would not trust 2 bill in a frigate. |

Aeryn Maricadie
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
2
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Posted - 2014.11.24 06:30:35 -
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Cargo Virpio wrote:I've got shield extenders, but I'm not going to last long if someone wanted to gank me.
About what cap on the value of my cargo should I place so that people won't bother? I've been at 60m so far without any problems. Is 100m pushing it too far?
Thanks, Ive gone up to 150 in haulers and never had a problem, also since at that level you are most likely to be attacked by blaster catalysts stacking kinetic/therm resists will help your shield go farther |

Leto Thule
Whelp Club
1610
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Posted - 2014.11.24 06:49:50 -
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Scout tank best tank.
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ggodhsup
internet spaceship relocation movement
15
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Posted - 2014.11.24 07:30:23 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:A single nado will probably be able to alpha you off the grid. That means the cost to gank is about 80 mil. Plan accordingly. I would think 200 mil is a hard cap, and I'd try to keep it under 150 mil.
^^.......this guy.......anything worth that much can be moved in an interceptor......and if its worth more get some stabs.
even more so....if you are moving enough cargo for a hauler.....you need a t2.
really though......i wouldnt move more than the the hull cost in a t1 hauler.....more though.....dont afk....fit a tank....and dont afk.
you should be fine......on the other hand.....i wont pay for your mistakes......but experience is making them frequently(mistakes)....so feel free to just run t1 haulers through high sec to see how quickly you can do it.
ive moved BPO's and faction goodies through 0.0 without much problem.....your hauler in high-sec should be easy...
a couple runs through low-sec with nothing will build a little confidence. the more you practice....the better.
its no fun if you dont take chances
and it is supposed to be fun. |

Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.11.24 08:02:35 -
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Evening nothing isn't safe.
RIP Richard A. Butt
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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
52
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Posted - 2014.11.24 09:38:43 -
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Just move everything in one go.
Less time in space = less risk |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1424
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Posted - 2014.11.24 10:23:18 -
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Cargo Virpio wrote:I've got shield extenders, but I'm not going to last long if someone wanted to gank me.
About what cap on the value of my cargo should I place so that people won't bother? I've been at 60m so far without any problems. Is 100m pushing it too far?
Thanks,
Do not fly Autopilot, try to reduce align time, and do not go through systems that are known ganking hotspots during primetimes.
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
255
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:56:34 -
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I generally dislike having more than 50 mil in a t1 hauler. |

Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
309
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:38:54 -
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My advice, if you are routinely carrying a few hundred million (like 300 or less) would be to train into a Deep Space Transport. You'll get a much sturdier ship (T2 resists), the ability to fit a good buffer tank (80-90k EHP), and a +2 warp stength bonus. As an added benefit, you'll be able to fly blockade runners, which move like greased swine when properly fit if what you're moving is small.
As always implants to match you choice of damage avoidance. My BR alt uses a full set of midgrade nomads and the Prowler aligns like destroyer with that set up. In the armor DSTs, you can go for align, or use a set of slaves to push your EHP up further.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Mortlake
197
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:41:45 -
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Possibly... |

Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
142
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:54:07 -
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I would say no more than 30 to 40 million and then not through hazardous or well known troublespots and only on short journeys. Tbh the T1 transports should really only be used for emptying PI material in high sec and doing level four distribution missions. |

Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1016
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:24:41 -
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The t1 Battle Haulers (Sigil, Badger, Nereus, and Wreathe) can be tanked to F-U levels, have pretty good align times (for haulers), and generally are too crunchy for the typical gate camp. I wouldn't haul more than 100 mill worth of stuff in them, but YMMV.
For the really expensive stuff, get a blockade runner (immune to cargo scan, can use cov ops cloak) or try the new hotness, the new improved Deep Space Transport (with microjump, course).
The new DST has, effectively, a huge cargo bay, is incredibly hard to lock down, and has OMFG levels of tank (properly fitted, of course).
All of the above assumes you are not autopiloting.
If you ARE APing........

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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3093
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:37:29 -
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
497
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:44:08 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Depends on your defenses and sec status. I haul through a few high-sec jumps with about 300mil ISK of PI in an Epithal, because I can fit the MWD+cloak trick (I still tend to avoid Uedama, of course). This trick makes you practically invulnerable in high-sec, if you actively use it. Same for the Badger. The Itty is a bit disappointing because it can hold a whopping 35k-40k m3 with a decent fit but the tank and align are just terrible.
Align -> Cloak -> MWD is how you use this trick. It can get you out of even crowded gatecamps, unless you really mess up the align or get very unlucky.
You hit the cloak in the first tick, and you have about one tick to hit the MWD before the cloak prohibits it,
Once you master this you can haul relatively safely in low and nullsec.
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Oracle of Machina
Brave Provisions Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:28:34 -
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The cardinal rule in EVE: Don't fly more than you can lose. Personally, in a T1 hauler, I've never moved more than 100m at a time in one, but I also had the capital to absorb that kind of loss. When starting out, I wouldn't go much above 10-20m.
No amount is really completely safe, anywhere. Some people will pop you for the fun of it, and not care one bit about the cargo. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21586
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:26:25 -
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I'm going to have to agree with the 100M figure for T1 haulers. I tend to go with about 2500-3000 isk per HP as my limit.
The Badger, Nereus, and Wreathe can pack silly tanks and can be made to align like a cruiser if you're prepared to sacrifice some cargo space. The Sigil is also good, but I can't fly it so I don't know.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bait'er De'Outlier
Trans-Aerospace Industries
19
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Posted - 2014.11.25 03:12:07 -
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Any amount you want a long as you either tank properly or outfit for evasion properly and or have a scout help you along the way. Learn to fly the ship at it's highest level, learn the attached skills for flying all ships at highest level possible and apply common sense to your fitting like all tank or maximum align/agility/warp stabbed out. Don't try to mix a concept to much like half tank and half cargo etc.
Don't anti-tank your ship unless you have escorts and scouts and a decently safe(r) route.
Don't auto-pilot unless you ask me for a good safe dependable route first as well. Better yet, don't autopilot... |

8 EyedSpy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.11.25 04:28:25 -
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It varies. If i were in a gank vexor and the targets were few i'd go for a 100mil hauler. I've also hauled around 500mil in a t1 indy between hubs and been fine. If you're careful and use the techniques available you could probably haul any amount and be fine. |

Makhpella
Temet Nosce Ex Astra
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:23:04 -
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It depends on the size of your balls. In HS all you need is MWD and T2 cloak. |
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Hannibal Carlisle
Black Storm Cartel Snuggle Struggle.
20
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:58:28 -
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I don't worry about amount so much as making sure I take all the precautions available. Tank, scout known bad spots, etc and things generally go well. That is of course my hauler alt perspective. My advice to others is to maximize that cargo hold and pack as many high isk goods inside as will fit!!! Tank is for suckers and autopilot is a convenience you should take advantage of!! See you 15k off the gate!  |

Renegade Heart
Holes Angels Gone Critical
301
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:11:44 -
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The maximum "safe" amount to haul is the amount you are prepared to kiss goodbye to if your ship explodes. |

Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10731
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:39:12 -
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More than 100m, and I'd pop it just for lulz.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:18:16 -
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200 mill. cloak and mwd every time. Scout low, null and Uedama. Use stabs (2) and shield extenders. Agility rig.
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