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Isla	Posted - 2003.10.16 09:06:00 - [1] Or was it cancelled ?
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.10.16 09:11:00 - [2] I assume not ?
Jolo	Posted - 2003.10.16 09:50:00 - [3] if it was last night I can sum it up. People ask stupid questions that were well scripted and usually are not important and have no relevence to anything the community truly wants to hear. TomB says "I didn't know that huge, game cripling bug was in the game" And then some more questions about stuff no one wants to know about. No one will ask questions like: "Where is the road map for eve with dates like we were promised 2 months ago?" "Where is the new tech level stuff every other month we were promised at release?" "Why has it been almost 5 months and nothing new has been entered into the game besides implants and a miner II BP? Does it really take 6 months to make a bp? "Should we expect every single new item in teh game to take 3-4 months of testing before it comes to Traq? Example: Mobile refiners?" "Has the communication problem between the community and the bug fixers been looked into? Adn what of customer service and the long wait time for response?" All in all, the meeting was once again useless and nothing was really said. ---------------------------------------
Faramir	Posted - 2003.10.16 09:56:00 - [4] There was no CSM last night.
Grimmacker	Posted - 2003.10.16 11:29:00 - [5] Well Said Jolo, Well said, you hit the nail on the head.
Amin	Posted - 2003.10.16 11:54:00 - [6] Yes, ur totally correct there, the questions are lame. And even when one that is slightly interesting is asked its normally brushed off with a often unrelated comment. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2003.10.16 12:34:00 - [7] I got a couple more: "Why havent you fixed the drone lag problem yet? How hard is it to tell the engine to not render every drone on entry to the system, but to represent them with graphical crosses instead" "Why are you not listening to the guys that have pertenent wquestion concerning the PVP mechanics of this game, why are you not attempting to solve the one riddle that stops this game becoming mass market?" "Why does your petition system, nore often tahn not, fail to deliver a decent fee of customer service?" http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i
Phersephone	Posted - 2003.10.16 13:09:00 - [8] how about "when is the e-mail notification of skill training complete going to be put back in?" "when is the ship stuck on (insert object here) issue going to be looked at?" "when are we going to get a cancel warp option?"
Erty	Posted - 2003.10.16 14:07:00 - [9] "Where is the road map for eve with dates like we were promised 2 months ago?" Click on "updates" It's pretty crappy though as there's no dates (as you said), but they never said anything about dates. Only roadmap "Where is the new tech level stuff every other month we were promised at release?" No problem with tech lvl2, but the advanced manufacturing that they want to use is still in development. They could have released all tech 2 stuff several months ago as it's there. "Why has it been almost 5 months and nothing new has been entered into the game besides implants and a miner II BP? Does it really take 6 months to make a bp? Because they are so damn slow :/ WORK FASTER FFS CCP! And no it doesn't take 6 months to make a bp, but other things takes time. "Should we expect every single new item in teh game to take 3-4 months of testing before it comes to Traq? Example: Mobile refiners?" That question was dumb. Very dumb. And you probably know it. What took time for things like mobile refineries was the whole anchoring thing, and stuff like that. Not the item itself. "Has the communication problem between the community and the bug fixers been looked into? Adn what of customer service and the long wait time for response?" Actually I've never had to contact customer support more than once (started playing on release), and the response time was under one hour. But I know there's problems, I guess that CCP simply doesn't have the money to get more GM's. But that's of course no excuse. Yes, I'm a fanboy. This is my signature.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.10.16 16:02:00 - [10] Nope. I was due to represent my CEP, Civil Deity, who couldn't make it due to RL engagements but the CSM didn't take place. I had some good questions to ask, too. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Faramir	Posted - 2003.10.16 16:03:00 - [11] how about "when is the e-mail notification of skill training complete going to be put back in?" check Chaos, it's back in...
John Thomas	Posted - 2003.10.16 16:49:00 - [12] I'll add... what about "When will the TRADE skill (a starting skill) be implemented?" or... "When is the storyline going to start? I don't call the amarr emperor thing a storyline... It's not open to all players... and grass grows faster than that's moving along." or... "Eve has disappointed many in the player community with poor (at best) customer service, rampant bugs, questionable testing and release policies for new items, little or no content. Why would I recommend this to a buddy who doesn't play already?"
Jolo	Posted - 2003.10.16 17:02:00 - [13] Quote: Yes, I'm a fanboy. I don't think anyone loves this game more than I do, or did. I got such joy from playing it int eh begining when we all were doing new things, then after 2-3 months, we ran out of stuff. I am just really sad it has stalled like this. My brother plays Earth and Beyond and he tells me they get a lot of content updates often and bug fixes all the time. He says the game makers actually listen to teh community. I tell him to stay in E&B. ---------------------------------------
Drutort	Posted - 2003.10.16 20:41:00 - [14] Quote: if it was last night I can sum it up. People ask stupid questions that were well scripted and usually are not important and have no relevence to anything the community truly wants to hear. TomB says "I didn't know that huge, game cripling bug was in the game" And then some more questions about stuff no one wants to know about. No one will ask questions like: "Where is the road map for eve with dates like we were promised 2 months ago?" "Where is the new tech level stuff every other month we were promised at release?" "Why has it been almost 5 months and nothing new has been entered into the game besides implants and a miner II BP? Does it really take 6 months to make a bp? "Should we expect every single new item in teh game to take 3-4 months of testing before it comes to Traq? Example: Mobile refiners?" "Has the communication problem between the community and the bug fixers been looked into? and what of customer service and the long wait time for response?" All in all, the meeting was once again useless and nothing was really said. HEY i take offense to some of those statements... its not all scripted the q's that go are real q that ppl asked... yes many are stupid... but i know at least MY IDEA was asked and an answer was given and you saw my threads LONG LONG time ago... it wasnÆt just pulled out of no where... support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.16 21:05:00 - [15] Are there any members in this CSM coffee club visiting the Idea Lab and bring some suggestions from there? I seriously doubt the devs have the time if anything to read all that... Convert Stations
Tease	Posted - 2003.10.16 21:22:00 - [16] Edited by: Tease on 16/10/2003 21:23:04 Quote: Are there any members in this CSM coffee club visiting the Idea Lab and bring some suggestions from there? God, I hope not.. 99% of the "ideas" brought up in there are idiotic. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.16 22:02:00 - [17] Yes 'cause you are the meassure by which we rate ourselves o' wise and non-contributing one. Convert Stations
Tease	Posted - 2003.10.16 22:16:00 - [18] Quote: Yes 'cause you are the meassure by which we rate ourselves o' wise and non-contributing one. Well if I think they're stupid, just imagine how much more idiotic they sound to people way smarter than me.. You seriously want the csm people to ask devs about webrings and flag planting on planets?? ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.16 22:21:00 - [19] You can't be that smart, a gerbil can pick grains better than you... Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.16 22:59:00 - [20] To be honest, I don't like asking for specific features myself. Most can't be implemented without a significant amount of time, during which it's almost guaranteed that something more important will come up delaying it. Looking at it directly, how could TomB justify implementing a feature mentioned during a CSM held post release when many features that were supposed to be in at release are still missing? Minor improvements and tweaks that can be implemented easily? The devs need to pay attention to the Idea Lab more. And really...why bother asking for a feature that even if they like it it's most likely to get the answer 'Soon(tm)'? My preference is for the issues that are conceptually wrong. If the concept is bad, then any mechanics built on top of it will be bad as well. And I don't bless the developers with omniscience so I do believe that they can be unaware something is an issue, let alone an issue of interest to players. The highways, for example, will be in the next one I get a chance to ask about. Haven gotten a miner II blueprint, I've found most markets with little to no variation in price. That should tell people something is wrong. Prices along the highways are essentially the same because the same manufacturers are feeding the market. And those hoping to buy low and sell high realize that Heimatar is only 1-4 jumps away, which a person will easily travel to save 500k-750k. Blueprint licensing is also on the agenda. Watching the trade channel, exactly what I predicted came true: WTS/WTB Single Run XXX BPC. For even the most mundane of items. Blueprint owners have a method to recoup their isk at the detriment of manufacturing and trading. What little demand there is gets overshadowed by the "For 15m isk and mining, I can buy a battleship". Fewer people are interacting with the market and more are interacting with the trade channel. The problem is the market is an integral part of Eve's economy. The more people bypass it, the more the game suffers. Can't sell minerals above npc prices if nobody is manufacturing to increase the demand. Can't buy products cheaply where they're being manufactured and export them elsewhere if everyone manufactures from a licensed copy. Now I'm sure I could easily ask: "Could you remove blueprint licensing?" or "Could you remove the highways?". But without the reasoning, don't those questions look rather stupid? Unless the TomB is already thinking along the same lines, why would he even consider it? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.16 23:08:00 - [21] At least enlighten them about the demise of Trash It... Oh and corporate offices showing in the map settings. Convert Stations
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.16 23:12:00 - [22] Quote: At least enlighten them about the demise of Trash It... Oh and corporate offices showing in the map settings. No way in hell I'd ask for offices showing on the map. Why give Office ****s a tool to suck down all the offices and charge stupid prices? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jolo	Posted - 2003.10.16 23:17:00 - [23] Edited by: Jolo on 16/10/2003 23:20:24 Quote: Quote: At least enlighten them about the demise of Trash It... Oh and corporate offices showing in the map settings. No way in hell I'd ask for offices showing on the map. Why give Office *****s a tool to suck down all the offices and charge stupid prices? Exactly Jash, There are many other problems with the map other than adding features, like the "Systems Visited" option has been hosed for months. As an explorer, I liked this feature. Too bad it broken. PS I apologize to anyone who has asked a good question at the CSM chats. There is possibly 1-2 q's that were good throughout any of them. ---------------------------------------
Tease	Posted - 2003.10.16 23:20:00 - [24] Quote: At least enlighten them about the demise of Trash It... Oh and corporate offices showing in the map settings. Trash It works fine for me. and Ditto on what Jash said about the offices.. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Darksheer	Posted - 2003.10.16 23:26:00 - [25] real charming folks nothing was scripted and you *** about this now and take it out on the people involved you post tons of neat pointless questions after its over well I SEEM TO REMEMBER ASKING FOR QUESTIONS and not a single one of you people ***ing sent any so what does that tell everyone in here pathetic thats what this thread is Darksheer
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.16 23:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 16/10/2003 23:42:38 Ok, read what I wrote and not what you thought, a map setting showing all corporate offices, not office space for rent. Tease being heavily into misinterpretations was nothing new, if you had bothered examining the trashing function for a few seconds you had realized that it was the more useful of the two that was defunct, the remote trashing. About asking for questions for the CSM, I can't recall a thread stating that in a clearcut headline any time when I was online, maybe it isn't us being set up against you but just you setting it up poorly? Convert Stations
Tease	Posted - 2003.10.17 16:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Tease on 17/10/2003 16:27:01 Quote: Tease being heavily into misinterpretations was nothing new, if you had bothered examining the trashing function for a few seconds you had realized that it was the more useful of the two that was defunct, the remote trashing. About asking for questions for the CSM, I can't recall a thread stating that in a clearcut headline any time when I was online, maybe it isn't us being set up against you but just you setting it up poorly? Good, I'm glad they took out the remote trashing.. I was sick and tired of hearing people whine all the time about accidently trashing thier ships in the assets window. As for CSM questions, I've always just evemailed my questions to CSM members, it's easier than waiting around for a thread, or fighting the enormous list on eve-i. All but one of the questions I've sent to CSM members have been asked, and every one of the CSM people I've evemailed has said nobody ever sends them questions to ask, just like what Jash said.. Also, the reason your "idea" was misinterpreted was because you don't clearly explain what it is you'd like to see.. After your last explanation, I'll assume you want a button that simply lights up every star where a corp office is located, which would pretty much give you a useless map with all the stars lit up.. ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.17 16:30:00 - [28] Again you're not even trying to understand or you are just that unimaginative... Every system in which your corporation has an office lits up, your corporation. Convert Stations
Tease	Posted - 2003.10.17 16:37:00 - [29] Quote: Again you're not even trying to understand or you are just that unimaginative... Every system in which your corporation has an office lits up, your corporation. And Again, you're just assuming that everyone's going to read your mind and automagically know what you're talking about when you say "well, what about this?" Seriously, did you just expect someone in the CSM to say, "From Danton: corporate offices showing in the map settings." and expect an answer? or were they supposed to use their telepathic abilities to know exactly what you were talking about? ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.17 16:48:00 - [30] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 17/10/2003 16:50:57 Yes, intelligent people would know, what other offices than corporate are there not automatically displayed by the actual name of the station? Answer; None. Are you a lawyer, accountant or practisioner of some other such rigid profession? If so that would explain a lot. Convert Stations

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