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Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 12	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:38:00 - [1] - Quote I just got back in the game from a sleep. Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3704	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:39:58 - [2] - Quote It's not just mercs, there's also the odd 'OH MY GOD!!! XYZ IS A CORP THIEF!!! HERE IS NO PROOF AT ALL!!!' and similar posts. Piracy needs love in EVE. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 315	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:51:15 - [3] - Quote They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3704	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:53:59 - [4] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 315	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:57:24 - [5] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions. You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3704	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:03:02 - [6] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be. Piracy is evil and according to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdSFe0UgB3E leads to genocide. So you should feel completely justified in being naughty for the greater good. It is, after all, what a heroic force for Good would do. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Leto Thule Whelp Club 1614	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:03:44 - [7] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: I just got back in the game from a sleep. Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven. Good sir, the answer to your question is a sad story. I am not sure how long you have been gone, but in my short time in game (total active time about two years) we have seen a Nerf train. Many pirates, including some c&p personalities, have left or become very inactive. Where are the pirates? Ask the nerfmongers. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Ripard Teg sucks.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3704	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:09:01 - [8] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Famine Aligher'ri wrote: I just got back in the game from a sleep. Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven. Good sir, the answer to your question is a sad story. I am not sure how long you have been gone, but in my short time in game (total active time about two years) we have seen a Nerf train. Many pirates, including some c&p personalities, have left or become very inactive. Where are the pirates? Ask the nerfmongers. Expanding upon this. Two things have happened. - The proliferation of killboards and their use as a metric of pilot performance. This means people are less likely to honor ransoms, as a billion ISK killmail is seen as valuable. This means people seldom pay ransoms. - Secondly, the proliferation of jump freighters. It's very hard to catch one for a ransom compared to a traditional freighter. This has led to lowsec piracy disappearing and the people that would have been interested in a career as a lowsec pirate migrating to highsec where there is more prey. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Leto Thule Whelp Club 1614	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:11:20 - [9] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions. You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be. Veers, not all pirates are gankers. At the risk of pulling out a soap box for you to hock your wares, I'll chime in. A pirate is someone who steals, hijacks, ect. While ganking is definitely a form of piracy, not all gankers are pirates, and certainty not all pirates gank. AWOX, corp theft, and the good old fashioned gatecamp are all ways to make a bit of isk as a pirate. I know you have this notion in your head that all criminals are greifers, but that's very untrue. Its a game that encourages people to utilize whatever means they can to make a profit. Do some do it purely for tears? You bet. They are your griefers, an no, nothing is wrong with that either. If you really want to do what's "good" for the game, stop trying to undo the cornerstones that have made it successful for over a decade. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Ripard Teg sucks.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 316	Posted - 2014.11.25 15:45:14 - [10] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions. You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be. Veers, not all pirates are gankers. At the risk of pulling out a soap box for you to hock your wares, I'll chime in. A pirate is someone who steals, hijacks, ect. While ganking is definitely a form of piracy, not all gankers are pirates, and certainty not all pirates gank. AWOX, corp theft, and the good old fashioned gatecamp are all ways to make a bit of isk as a pirate. I know you have this notion in your head that all criminals are greifers, but that's very untrue. Its a game that encourages people to utilize whatever means they can to make a profit. Do some do it purely for tears? You bet. They are your griefers, an no, nothing is wrong with that either. If you really want to do what's "good" for the game, stop trying to undo the cornerstones that have made it successful for over a decade. Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind. I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 802	Posted - 2014.11.25 15:58:19 - [11] - Quote This is, unfortunately, subjective to the personal, corporate, or alliance mores of the individuals involved. For example, were I to attempt to ransom you Veers, I would be bound by the principles of my corporation to honor such a ransom. Now, on the other hand, I'm also not compelled to OFFER a ransom unless the circumstances merit such a thing in my opinion. I have actually ransomed a few ships and at least one damsel in the past... and in that particular case both I and the ransomee had quite a good time with the exchange. Piracy is not 100% dead, it's just getting harder as the nerfs keep rolling in.
Eldwinn SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel 104	Posted - 2014.11.25 18:24:11 - [12] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Where are all the pirates?. CODE happened. C&P is just filled with tears and CODE crap. Here and there MERC stuff.
Koz Katral Sanctuary of Shadows Overload Everything 77	Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:03 - [13] - Quote The pirates are on fail heap where they can express their true feelings for each other without any constraint on their autism.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1597	Posted - 2014.11.25 18:27:41 - [14] - Quote Koz Katral wrote: The pirates are on fail heap where they can express their true feelings for each other without any constraint on their autism. Playing Elite:Dangerous? I know its beta, but hardly fail-heap... F Would you like to know more?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1597	Posted - 2014.11.25 18:37:24 - [15] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: ...The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone... ..ostensibly its only ruined for people who allow themselves to be tackled. Quote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world... F Would you like to know more?
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 318	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:26:58 - [16] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: ...The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone... ..ostensibly its only ruined for people who allow themselves to be tackled. Quote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world... F Cute:) Actually it's ruined for the pirates who want to make an honest living, because people won't pay ransoms anymore. Result - pirates taking up other professions such as ratting and ice mining. I mean hey, you could either propose solutions like I do, or instead sit and lament a bygone area with no hope of restoration. It's your move, F.
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project 1023	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:16:03 - [17] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world... F QFT on all counts. \m/ O.o \m/ "You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Paranoid Loyd 2800	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:26:46 - [18] - Quote Yarr! "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1017	Posted - 2014.11.25 21:57:47 - [19] - Quote We're still here. It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore. gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous They have a pirate package , you know...... Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD. starts pricing joysticks Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 318	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:37:35 - [20] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: We're still here. It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore. gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous They have a pirate package , you know...... Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD. starts pricing joysticks Hmmm....not really so many substantial nerfs to lowsec piracy. ED looks kinda lame so far...
Domino Vyse Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 54	Posted - 2014.11.25 22:39:58 - [21] - Quote Its all gone to shite.
Leto Thule Whelp Club 1619	Posted - 2014.11.26 00:02:41 - [22] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Mike Adoulin wrote: We're still here. It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore. gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous They have a pirate package , you know...... Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD. starts pricing joysticks Hmmm....not really so many substantial nerfs to lowsec piracy. ED looks kinda lame so far... Its not so much nerfs to piracy as it is buffs to everything else. Pirates prey on shipping and resource gatherers. Sabriz hit the bullseye. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Ripard Teg sucks.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 21588	Posted - 2014.11.26 02:37:20 - [23] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. The Pirate Code "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Cannibal Kane Cannibal Empire 4435	Posted - 2014.11.26 05:03:47 - [24] - Quote To be honest... For the past couple of months I have been asking myself that same question. As it stands now. There are pirates and bloody good ones. To be honest I would love to join the tuskers. I don't even get excited anymore in my hisec wars when 8 -15 people come to engage me. I undock shoot and there is no more of that heart pumping feeling. I know what to expect from myself and what the outcome is going to be based on what they are flying and how they are flying it. When all of my RL maneuvers are complete I am actually contemplating moving to low and just roam the waste lands and pod back to station when I loose my ship. It is the natural progression and something I should have done a long time ago since low and null is where I started with my PVP. The Pirate Story thread needs to be rejuvenated. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3748	Posted - 2014.11.26 05:34:16 - [25] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. The Pirate Code Clicked link expecting to be sent home to www.minerbumping.com, found something else cool instead Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 14	Posted - 2014.11.26 05:44:49 - [26] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind. I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. If pirates played fair, then they likely wouldn't be pirates. I mean you have to get serious. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 321	Posted - 2014.11.26 07:26:46 - [27] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind. I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. If pirates played fair, then they likely wouldn't be pirates. I mean you have to get serious. You miss the point...both the pirate and the prey would prefer a ransom to needless destruction. What they lack is a mechanism to force both sides to effectuate their long term desires. Game Theory. Prisoners Dilemma. Nash Equilibrium.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3754	Posted - 2014.11.26 10:50:45 - [28] - Quote I always honour ransoms except in the most extreme of circumstances (i.e. an out of game issue is the reason I'm attacking the person, such as them posting racist filth in local chat; anyone that does that is getting podded after paying the ransom). Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1017	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:04:21 - [29] - Quote I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction. I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it..... Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:28:07 - [30] - Quote To be honest I wouldn't sell such a thing were I ever to acquire it. It's not a money thing, it's something else. The smile on my face whenever I saw it sitting in my item hangar isn't something that could be bartered away. And to be topical, WHEN I offer ransoms I always honor them, as should any member of Lords. I have in the past, and will in the future. Granted, just being on the brink of death does not ensure a ransom will be forthcoming, sometimes I have faith that whatever is going to fall out of the pinata is worth far more than what the victim is willing to pay. Sometimes the ransom convo is worth as much if not more than the ISK involved to be honest. I ransomed off some guy's damsel a month or two back for a paltry sum, but the verbal exchange was what really made it worthwhile.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 321	Posted - 2014.11.26 15:38:36 - [31] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction. I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it..... Do it Mikee!! Try the elite PvP tactic of wardeccing me like our buddy max did. Just don't send me a profanity laced Evemail after losing, please. Thanks!
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1606	Posted - 2014.11.26 21:11:48 - [32] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. The Pirate Code The Pirate Code (Gary Gygax variant) F Would you like to know more?
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3118	Posted - 2014.11.26 22:00:48 - [33] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: I just got back in the game from a sleep. Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven. They've been nerfed away by CCP. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 20	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:30:07 - [34] - Quote good pirate stories can be found in this link https://evechatter.com/t/R1DER/index.php/topic,21524.0.html Think you have to register with our forums first though. These forums are too constrictive for most juicy tales.
Jake Devlin T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 2	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:03:42 - [35] - Quote People like to say that EvE is a game in which reputation is important. This is a two way street. If you as a victim of piracy don't gamble on paying a ransom you will never find out if a pirate is 'honourable' or not. Equally if you as a pirate never offer a ransom you can never gain a reputation for honouring them. the only thing needed for this to change is for a few corps to make it a thing that they do and build it into their culture. Be the change you want to see etc etc. That said no one ever paid me ransoms back in 2005/6 when I was doing the outlaw pirate thing. It has always been hard to make ransoms work.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1018	Posted - 2014.11.27 13:03:10 - [36] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Do it Mikee!! Try the elite PvP tactic of wardeccing me like our buddy max did. Just don't send me a profanity laced Evemail after losing, please. Thanks! Wardec? What is this madness you speak of? lurks in lowsec Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 854	Posted - 2014.11.27 13:03:49 - [37] - Quote I've always found the whole ransom notion to be something that is uniquely EVE. I used to abhor pirates way back in my 'I don't understand EVE' days. After doing some extensive reading upon return from my second ragequit I suddenly realized that they were actually having a hell of a lot more fun than I was. My dislike dried up and turned to envy. Nowadays, I do occasionally offer ransoms to players I've got pinned down. When I do, I honor them. Likewise if someone else has me under the gun and makes the offer, I'm likely to pay a reasonable ransom and see where it goes. A pirate has to make a living somehow.
Dabasir Ho 229 Ocularis Inferno 2	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:06:14 - [38] - Quote WOW the replies to this question are remarkably useless... even for a Crime & Punishment thread! So to answer your question based on my experience Tama has pirates, and by pirates I of course mean gate camp mobbers. Those 8+ member gate camps, primarily Snuff and Candy Ballz, happen pretty much all the time with occasional 1-2 hour breaks between 1700 and 0200 eve time. If anyone is wanting intel on the Tama gates feel free to save me to your contacts and if I'm on line I'd be happy to pass on a status report. I hope this information was of help to you and I wish everyone a good day.
Anslo Scope Works The Blacklist. 22635	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:29:18 - [39] - Quote Were around. We just don't post here anymore, as we are not nerds. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 286	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:26:03 - [40] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Game Theory That explains a lot about why you are so often wrong. Vote Sabriz!
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 14	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:18:55 - [41] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind. I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. If pirates played fair, then they likely wouldn't be pirates. I mean you have to get serious. You miss the point...both the pirate and the prey would prefer a ransom to needless destruction. What they lack is a mechanism to force both sides to effectuate their long term desires. Game Theory. Prisoners Dilemma. Nash Equilibrium. Umm, I think you're actually missing the point. Let me break it down for you: 1) Ransom - I can offer a ransom when I snag you right off the bat or get you into hull and then hail you. Choosing this option is extremely risky for me as the pirate. Not only do I spend time getting you into hull, I do not collect my 200 dollars and just pass go. I have to wait to pass because I have to wait until we agree on terms before I can let you go. This gives both you and potentially other foes a chance to get the jump on me and cause me my ship and your ransom. 2) Kill - Can just skip the ransom and go right for the loot. This is much more efficient for me because there is no waiting around to agree on terms of a ransom. I pop you, collect the loot and move on. This reduces a lot of risk on my end as the pirate because it reduces the window of opportunity for your friends or other foes who just want to jump in. However, having the isk from a ransom is better than loot don't get me wrong. I still have to sell the loot, which I could lose on the way to the station. But, most pirates find it's a better trade off just killing you and selling the loot than worrying about a ransom. 3) Kill & Ransom - The third and final option is actually dishonoring the ransom, which you hate. This is as equally risky as just ransoming and not killing the victim because you still have to get them to hull, agree to terms and then pop them. On the pirate end, it's actually better because of the obvious. You have liquid isk and you have loot to sell. Win-win. Likewise, if you ransom, pop ship and then ransom the pod where they actually still pay you. It's win-win-WIN! So, to ransom or not to ransom? I personally do not ransom because it's a waste of time. I have no idea what is really on the ship to even provide a legit offer. At the end of the day, most pirates are in this for the ISK. Honor and anything else comes second. If you find someone who claims honor and fair play comes first, then they are just pvping. They are not pirates. They would be better off sitting in one spot waiting for people to engage them 1-on-1. For me, it's all about that isk and everything I can do to get to your isk. If that means I have to be a scumbag and dishonor our agreement, then I will do it. I could care less about your tears and how you think piracy should be like. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 287	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:23:03 - [42] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind. I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. If pirates played fair, then they likely wouldn't be pirates. I mean you have to get serious. You miss the point...both the pirate and the prey would prefer a ransom to needless destruction. What they lack is a mechanism to force both sides to effectuate their long term desires. Game Theory. Prisoners Dilemma. Nash Equilibrium. Umm, I think you're actually missing the point. Let me break it down for you from my own personal experience in piracy since like 2004. I mean, you could disagree with this, but keep in mind this is my trade not yours. Here are my options as a pirate: 1) Ransom - I can offer a ransom when I snag you right off the bat or get you into hull and then hail you. Choosing this option is extremely risky for me as the pirate. Not only do I spend time getting you into hull, I do not collect my 200 dollars and just pass go. I have to wait to pass because I have to wait until we agree on terms before I can let you go. This gives both you and potentially other foes a chance to get the jump on me and cause me my ship and your ransom. 2) Kill - Can just skip the ransom and go right for the loot. This is much more efficient for me because there is no waiting around to agree on terms of a ransom. I pop you, collect the loot and move on. This reduces a lot of risk on my end as the pirate because it reduces the window of opportunity for your friends or other foes who just want to jump in. However, having the isk from a ransom is better than loot don't get me wrong. I still have to sell the loot, which I could lose on the way to the station. But, most pirates find it's a better trade off just killing you and selling the loot than worrying about a ransom. 3) Kill & Ransom - The third and final option is actually dishonoring the ransom, which you hate. This is as equally risky as just ransoming and not killing the victim because you still have to get them to hull, agree to terms and then pop them. On the pirate end, it's actually better because of the obvious. You have liquid isk and you have loot to sell. Win-win. Likewise, if you ransom, pop ship and then ransom the pod where they actually still pay you. It's win-win-WIN! So, to ransom or not to ransom? I personally do not ransom because it's a waste of time. I have no idea what is really on the ship to even provide a legit offer. For all I know, my offer is way below the amount of isk that drops in loot regardless of the fact I'm just giving my victim more time to call for reinforcements. Likewise, if I felt I could ransom, I likely would dishonor the ransom because I get double the payout. At the end of the day, most pirates are in this for the ISK. Honor and anything else comes second. Honor is not the name of the game with piracy. So, crying that we should have a code and honor is a very silly request being our rotten core as pirates. Game theory, man. It's a philosophy that only applies when the proper rules are followed. Hence, it's remarkably worthless outside of a theoretical vacuum. Vote Sabriz!
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 14	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:25:30 - [43] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Game theory, man. It's a philosophy that only applies when the proper rules are followed. Hence, it's remarkably worthless outside of a theoretical vacuum. You're going to have to explain that one to me because you just lost me on that use of terminology in this context. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 3798	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:04:23 - [44] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: Game theory, man. It's a philosophy that only applies when the proper rules are followed. Hence, it's remarkably worthless outside of a theoretical vacuum. You're going to have to explain that one to me because you just lost me on that use of terminology in this context. Game theory makes sense if you assume that everyone puts predictable values on various possible outcomes and acts rationally. We don't. The moment I found most fun in my EVE history involved losing a 300m Ishtar to what I believe was a 40m Vexor fit in a very, very close fight. Game theory says my result was negative on multiple metrics - my killboard looked worse, my wallet was worse off, etc. However I 'irrationally' value fun higher than that and so consider that fight a big positive, not a negative at all. Another example is CODE.'s campaign of slaughtering empty freighters and podding the pilots. On most metrics it's a negative EV action - it might sell the odd permit and help our Charon building arm, but nothing that covers the expense of doing it. Thing is, it's hilarious fun. Save game theory for the poker table. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 287	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:14:12 - [45] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: Game theory, man. It's a philosophy that only applies when the proper rules are followed. Hence, it's remarkably worthless outside of a theoretical vacuum. You're going to have to explain that one to me because you just lost me on that use of terminology in this context. "Game theory" is a philosophical argument that attempts to explain all human interaction a series of contests ("games"), generally speaking. The major problem with the philosophy is that as it gets more specific, it becomes more exclusive. So a theoretical scenario presented in game theory would ONLY apply to an identical scenario in reality. For instance, the "prisoner dilemma" as presented by our good friend Veers here. Essentially, the "rules" of this scenario are that two people can harm each other equally, do no harm to each other equally, or attempt to have no harm done to themselves while greater harm is done to the other. Read more if you'd like. As a theoretical exercise, it's an interesting construct. However, it is very dependent on one thing: that there is no way for either of the "prisoners" to control whether or not they can be rewarded. As such, for any scenario where a "prisoner" could have full control over their own benefits, the "contest" as presented doesn't apply, making any conversation about it incredibly useless. So, as an example, ransom scenarios in Eve. The captor has full control over the outcome of the situation, and it is entirely up to them whether honoring the ransom or getting the killmail is more valuable. There is no way for the captive to affect the outcome, and therefore the Prisoner's Dilemma is not applicable. tl;dr - game theory is amazingly useless. Don't bother arguing it. Vote Sabriz!
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 14	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:25:20 - [46] - Quote Still makes zero sense in this context because while you can assign value and predictability to those following the rules, you can equally apply the same value and predictability to those not following the rules. Or if you will, those who irrationally value things the game does not value such as fun or your gameplay experience. So, still losing me here. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 287	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:30:55 - [47] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Still makes zero sense in this context because while you can assign value and predictability to those following the rules, you can equally apply the same value and predictability to those not following the rules. Or if you will, those who irrationally value things the game does not value such as fun or your gameplay experience. So, still losing me here. That's my point. "Game theory" only works if you follow the rules of a certain scenario. If you don't follow the rules, then the scenario doesn't matter. Game theory is a joke. Just laugh at it, k? Vote Sabriz!
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 14	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:51:26 - [48] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Still makes zero sense in this context because while you can assign value and predictability to those following the rules, you can equally apply the same value and predictability to those not following the rules. Or if you will, those who irrationally value things the game does not value such as fun or your gameplay experience. So, still losing me here. That's my point. "Game theory" only works if you follow the rules of a certain scenario. If you don't follow the rules, then the scenario doesn't matter. Game theory is a joke. Just laugh at it, k? I responded when you posted. I was responding to the previous example. I see what you are saying now in response to Veer. But, not so much to me being I was only explaining my one-side of the game and the reasoning I choose the options that I assume are available to me. Outside of those options, there is always more options available to the captive. That's because human is putting too much weight on what options are available outside of a fourth, fifth and hundred option that has not been consider yet such as killing a guard, stealing a gun and shooting his way out to freedom. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 288	Posted - 2014.11.28 03:06:58 - [49] - Quote Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: Famine Aligher'ri wrote: Still makes zero sense in this context because while you can assign value and predictability to those following the rules, you can equally apply the same value and predictability to those not following the rules. Or if you will, those who irrationally value things the game does not value such as fun or your gameplay experience. So, still losing me here. That's my point. "Game theory" only works if you follow the rules of a certain scenario. If you don't follow the rules, then the scenario doesn't matter. Game theory is a joke. Just laugh at it, k? I responded when you posted. I was responding to the previous example. I see what you are saying now in response to Veer. But, not so much to me being I was only explaining my one-side of the game and the reasoning I choose the options that I assume are available to me. Outside of those options, there is always more options available to the captive. That's because human is putting too much weight on what options are available outside of a fourth, fifth and hundred option that has not been consider yet such as killing a guard, stealing a gun and shooting his way out to freedom. Just go with your side of an equation. Everyone else can go with theirs. We'll see what happens :) Vote Sabriz!
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 331	Posted - 2014.11.28 04:53:01 - [50] - Quote The point is by failing to reach the nash equilibrium piracy becomes relatively unprofitable and hence scarce. If it is to make a rebound, the pirates themselves must commit to honoring ransoms and severely punish any who do not comply. Then the tackled ships will be able to pay a ransom resting secure in the knowledge that they will in fact be spared. It's that or #bankruptcy.
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6062	Posted - 2014.11.30 15:04:23 - [51] - Quote Veers, you're so cute when you're so narrow minded. I know what makes you think piracy in EVE has anything to do with profit, but one day you're going to learn how to have fun, and you'll understand so much more. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Domino Vyse Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 56	Posted - 2014.11.30 15:52:14 - [52] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: The point is by failing to reach the nash equilibrium piracy becomes relatively unprofitable and hence scarce. If it is to make a rebound, the pirates themselves must commit to honoring ransoms and severely punish any who do not comply. Then the tackled ships will be able to pay a ransom resting secure in the knowledge that they will in fact be spared. It's that or #bankruptcy. Stick to what you know, mate.
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 14	Posted - 2014.11.30 15:56:11 - [53] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Veers, you're so cute when you're so narrow minded. I know what makes you think piracy in EVE has anything to do with profit, but one day you're going to learn how to have fun, and you'll understand so much more. Well, any trade in EVE needs to make profit. Piracy by far is pretty big on profit, that's what leads to the fun IMHO. That doesn't mean that fun is irrelevant, after all we are all playing a game. Fun should be mandatory for all professions. But, to have any trade in-game with little to no profit to keep people sticky to said profession regardless if it's piracy or not is a shame. Anyways, piracy can still make a great deal of profit from ship loot at the core without ransom isk. Obviously, pirate corporations have been doing this through brute force methods such as gate camps and blob roams where they destroy everything in their way. Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1019	Posted - 2014.12.01 04:40:57 - [54] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Veers, you're so cute when you're so narrow minded. I know what makes you think piracy in EVE has anything to do with profit, but one day you're going to learn how to have fun, and you'll understand so much more. Wait. He thinks space pirates are in it for the money?!?! Madness!!!! Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
CODE Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 810	Posted - 2014.12.01 04:59:45 - [55] - Quote I am mending my sails due to a holiday, but once I recover I shall set sail like normal. The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 101	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:34:42 - [56] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Mike Adoulin wrote: I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction. I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it..... Do it Mikee!! Try the elite PvP tactic of wardeccing me like our buddy max did. Just don't send me a profanity laced Evemail after losing, please. Thanks! For starters im not the CEO...i did not try a dec nor would of thought it doing so. Second i dont know who that mike is. So kiss my Arse!!!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 24155	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:39:36 - [57] - Quote CODE Agent AC wrote: I am mending my sails due to a holiday, but once I recover I shall set sail like normal. Hope they mend well and you are able to fill them with the hot air of miners. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari VENDO - wardec in effect. Check evemail and use TS when online.
emylie ramstein Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.12.01 10:22:36 - [58] - Quote Another example is CODE.'s campaign of slaughtering empty freighters and podding the pilots. On most metrics it's a negative EV action - it might sell the odd permit and help our Charon building arm, but nothing that covers the expense of doing it. Thing is, it's hilarious fun. ....... The CODE. is....... creates an alt to pew pew 20 vs 1 ... that's the challenge lol = it is said pro "pvp" but lament 20 cata full T2 vs mining barge or exhumed (ship PvE) = lol it is said pro "pvp" but you never crosses the "solo" in low sec = ......... lol it is behind an alt while their hands safe and well in PvE or even a farm ....... minner cancer "WOW" is even spreads Eve and this and shame to see more and more people follow suit or challenge no longer exists ...... it makes me think of this guy who starts 15 on the poor guy ..... but for solo finnir and to hide behind the alt is that it is the finnal that frustrate poor and disrespectful of others who prone a "pseudo code" hiding right behind alt them to avoid taking "risk" on their hands .......... personal ironic then criticize how to play the other playing the way ......
Lord Drakandu Piratas Leprosos Guineanos 9	Posted - 2014.12.01 11:03:55 - [59] - Quote piracy in null sec is profitable, I tell you from experience
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 334	Posted - 2014.12.01 15:14:35 - [60] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Mike Adoulin wrote: I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction. I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it..... Do it Mikee!! Try the elite PvP tactic of wardeccing me like our buddy max did. Just don't send me a profanity laced Evemail after losing, please. Thanks! For starters im not the CEO...i did not try a dec nor would of thought it doing so. Second i dont know who that mike is. So kiss my Arse!!! Your corp member decced, and when I responded with a crushing 30-1 victory and gloat e-mail to you, your replied with a profanity laced tirade. Keep it classy Maxxie, no shame in losing to your betters.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 101	Posted - 2014.12.01 23:59:25 - [61] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Max Deveron wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Mike Adoulin wrote: I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction. I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it..... Do it Mikee!! Try the elite PvP tactic of wardeccing me like our buddy max did. Just don't send me a profanity laced Evemail after losing, please. Thanks! For starters im not the CEO...i did not try a dec nor would of thought it doing so. Second i dont know who that mike is. So kiss my Arse!!! Your corp member decced, and when I responded with a crushing 30-1 victory and gloat e-mail to you, your replied with a profanity laced tirade. Keep it classy Maxxie, no shame in losing to your betters. Uhm last i remember a surrender doesnt count as a victory...it counts as a loss. And you are not my better....sure you say you do incursions....but no incursion person i know can track you being in a fleet....plus all you all do is stay docked up in station in an incursion area. As to the letter....yeah you should of known better to send me a personal letter. I dont care if your veers, james315, solecist project, or even psycho monk....in the current veers guise your a lowlife pos. Want to measure priks.....ok Between all my characters and accounts....... I have a decent KB I am very good at Indy I have mined a lot of rocks (recently) I am a ganker I plenty of standings at excellent ratings with npc corps and factions. I have 1839 plex hoarded up I have no true wants and needs when it comes to game play. So far lets see on your part...... you troll you dont make any ISK doing anything you campaign for the destruction of EvE your a bad teacher for newbs you dont understand the inherent complexities of a sandbox you whine and cry on the forum you think a loss is a victory and also despite your ability to try and **** peeps off enough to try an wip out the incursion community(ive considered going that route) I must say sir you have failed miserably because with real thinking of the issue....it is apparent CODE is unwilling to go balls to wall ganking thier fleets, and no else cares enough to.....so your experiment in that is fail. hmmm, yeah your a fail. did i miss anything?
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 336	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:27:51 - [62] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Max Deveron wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Mike Adoulin wrote: I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction. I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it..... Do it Mikee!! Try the elite PvP tactic of wardeccing me like our buddy max did. Just don't send me a profanity laced Evemail after losing, please. Thanks! For starters im not the CEO...i did not try a dec nor would of thought it doing so. Second i dont know who that mike is. So kiss my Arse!!! Your corp member decced, and when I responded with a crushing 30-1 victory and gloat e-mail to you, your replied with a profanity laced tirade. Keep it classy Maxxie, no shame in losing to your betters. Uhm last i remember a surrender doesnt count as a victory...it counts as a loss. And you are not my better....sure you say you do incursions....but no incursion person i know can track you being in a fleet....plus all you all do is stay docked up in station in an incursion area. As to the letter....yeah you should of known better to send me a personal letter. I dont care if your veers, james315, solecist project, or even psycho monk....in the current veers guise your a lowlife pos. Want to measure priks.....ok Between all my characters and accounts....... I have a decent KB I am very good at Indy I have mined a lot of rocks (recently) I am a ganker I plenty of standings at excellent ratings with npc corps and factions. I have 1839 plex hoarded up I have no true wants and needs when it comes to game play. So far lets see on your part...... you troll you dont make any ISK doing anything you campaign for the destruction of EvE your a bad teacher for newbs you dont understand the inherent complexities of a sandbox you whine and cry on the forum you think a loss is a victory and also despite your ability to try and **** peeps off enough to try an wip out the incursion community(ive considered going that route) I must say sir you have failed miserably because with real thinking of the issue....it is apparent CODE is unwilling to go balls to wall ganking thier fleets, and no else cares enough to.....so your experiment in that is fail. hmmm, yeah your a fail. did i miss anything? Sorry, I'm still trying to sift through the incoherent ramblings and tears (not an easy task, mind you. Did you take lessons from Loyalanon?) "surrender" is an arbitrary word that CCP chose. The reality is that you spent 50 mil and I spent 1.6 mil...even a CODE member can figure out who is winning that one. In fact, Goon footsoldier, ponzi schemer, and CODE founder James 315 has repeatedly stated that the dodging defender is winning the war. You gave it your best shot Maxxie, but you came up short. Better luck next time! I constantly run incursions - I have numerous alts that I use depending on the type of ship needed. Trying to hunt down Veers won't be effective, because he doesn't really run that often. Good use of locator agents though! Welcome to Eve where you can accomplish of all your goals using anonymous alts! Veers does run occasionally though, and your incompetence in gathering intel on how he does so is telling. It's almost as funny as your rage and tear laden mail to me (the one where you told me to never talk to you again! oops!). Wow...nice accomplishments, bro. And yet you obsess over me, and I could care less about you. Maybe instead of touting your accomplishments work on your self esteem, you might find it more valuable than 1839 Plex, lol. Join CODE, perhaps? Thankfully I do lots of PvE, I am spacerich, I make the game a better place by opposing all the griefers here, and I enjoy doing it! As for wiping out the incursion community, lololol, hahahhaha, good luck with that one. That is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard.....keep working on your grand strategy to wipe out all the incursion runners. The idea that CODE and a few incompetent allies can materially impact incursions is laughable....try not to believe your own delusions, Maxxie, it might you like kinda dim. But do keep up the rage and tears, it's like a free ticket to the circus! I'll be waiting for you at the next incursion buddy!
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 101	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:49:03 - [63] - Quote LMAOROFL Veers its so funny seeing you writing long replies. You have no clue who opposes who. Least of yourself....and its obvious you do not oppose any griefers....cause you dont know what one is. As to loyalanon....well I dont oppose him, dont agree with him or CODE, in fact might have a kill or two on his alts. Keep dreaming and keep posting....Im sure im not the only that likes to laugh at your stupidity.... because honestly.....you have become simply nothing more than the forum jester.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 336	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:56:41 - [64] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: LMAOROFL Veers its so funny seeing you writing long replies. You have no clue who opposes who. Least of yourself....and its obvious you do not oppose any griefers....cause you dont know what one is. As to loyalanon....well I dont oppose him, dont agree with him or CODE, in fact might have a kill or two on his alts. Keep dreaming and keep posting....Im sure im not the only that likes to laugh at your stupidity.... because honestly.....you have become simply nothing more than the forum jester. This from the guy who lost a war 30-1 and then went on a rage filled, profanity laced, e-mail tearfest. "First of all i just got back. I was AFK when this was done. But your a ***** *, so shut the up. Im being told it was done to prove the point that it as done to prove the point that you would just roll the corp. dont send me any more mail *. I dont like people like you in RL even. your in the same cat as loyalanon....toxic idiots and *****." Ring a bell, Maxxie? Have you considered prozac? Sounds like you are getting awful worked up about the "forum jester." Maybe it's time to stop obsessing over me and move on? As I said before, I could care less about you and your group. If I recall we met when we disagreed on an F&I thread, and in a show of spite and pettiness you put a 500 million isk bounty on me in the troll bounty thread. You then wardecced me, lost, and sent a tear filled eve mail cursing me out. Move on buddy, you are making yourself look stupid.
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 812	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:05:53 - [65] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: CODE Agent AC wrote: I am mending my sails due to a holiday, but once I recover I shall set sail like normal. Hope they mend well and you are able to fill them with the hot air of miners. I shall be back full sail soon. Had a slight delay regarding requisitioning rum rations. Rightly Resolved. The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
CODE Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 812	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:05:53 - [66] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: CODE Agent AC wrote: I am mending my sails due to a holiday, but once I recover I shall set sail like normal. Hope they mend well and you are able to fill them with the hot air of miners. I shall be back full sail soon. Had a slight delay regarding requisitioning rum rations. Rightly Resolved. The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 824	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:05:53 - [67] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: CODE Agent AC wrote: I am mending my sails due to a holiday, but once I recover I shall set sail like normal. Hope they mend well and you are able to fill them with the hot air of miners. I shall be back full sail soon. Had a slight delay regarding requisitioning rum rations. Rightly Resolved. The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Formerly Known As AC The Conference Elite CODE. 824	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:05:53 - [68] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: CODE Agent AC wrote: I am mending my sails due to a holiday, but once I recover I shall set sail like normal. Hope they mend well and you are able to fill them with the hot air of miners. I shall be back full sail soon. Had a slight delay regarding requisitioning rum rations. Rightly Resolved. The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 101	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:07:46 - [69] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Max Deveron wrote: LMAOROFL Veers its so funny seeing you writing long replies. You have no clue who opposes who. Least of yourself....and its obvious you do not oppose any griefers....cause you dont know what one is. As to loyalanon....well I dont oppose him, dont agree with him or CODE, in fact might have a kill or two on his alts. Keep dreaming and keep posting....Im sure im not the only that likes to laugh at your stupidity.... because honestly.....you have become simply nothing more than the forum jester. This from the guy who lost a war 30-1 and then went on a rage filled, profanity laced, e-mail tearfest. "First of all i just got back. I was AFK when this was done. But your a ***** *, so shut the up. Im being told it was done to prove the point that it as done to prove the point that you would just roll the corp. dont send me any more mail *. I dont like people like you in RL even. your in the same cat as loyalanon....toxic idiots and *****." Ring a bell, Maxxie? Have you considered prozac? Sounds like you are getting awful worked up about the "forum jester." Maybe it's time to stop obsessing over me and move on? As I said before, I could care less about you and your group. If I recall we met when we disagreed on an F&I thread, and in a show of spite and pettiness you put a 500 million isk bounty on me in the troll bounty thread. You then wardecced me, lost, and sent a tear filled eve mail cursing me out. Move on buddy, you are making yourself look stupid. Oh no, Forum is one thing....mailing me personally though??? When you know i dont like you. Thats like walking onto property in RL after you warned about tresspassing. But any case LOL do you have anymore? Please, puh puh puh-lease tell me you do? :)
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 336	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:18:02 - [70] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Max Deveron wrote: LMAOROFL Veers its so funny seeing you writing long replies. You have no clue who opposes who. Least of yourself....and its obvious you do not oppose any griefers....cause you dont know what one is. As to loyalanon....well I dont oppose him, dont agree with him or CODE, in fact might have a kill or two on his alts. Keep dreaming and keep posting....Im sure im not the only that likes to laugh at your stupidity.... because honestly.....you have become simply nothing more than the forum jester. This from the guy who lost a war 30-1 and then went on a rage filled, profanity laced, e-mail tearfest. "First of all i just got back. I was AFK when this was done. But your a ***** *, so shut the up. Im being told it was done to prove the point that it as done to prove the point that you would just roll the corp. dont send me any more mail *. I dont like people like you in RL even. your in the same cat as loyalanon....toxic idiots and *****." Ring a bell, Maxxie? Have you considered prozac? Sounds like you are getting awful worked up about the "forum jester." Maybe it's time to stop obsessing over me and move on? As I said before, I could care less about you and your group. If I recall we met when we disagreed on an F&I thread, and in a show of spite and pettiness you put a 500 million isk bounty on me in the troll bounty thread. You then wardecced me, lost, and sent a tear filled eve mail cursing me out. Move on buddy, you are making yourself look stupid. Oh no, Forum is one thing....mailing me personally though??? When you know i dont like you. Thats like walking onto property in RL after you warned about tresspassing. But any case LOL do you have anymore? Please, puh puh puh-lease tell me you do? :) I see....mailing someone in game is a terrible crime and violation of privacy, second only to what....wardeccing someone, maybe? Turns out you elite PvP players can't handle someone sending you an in game mail. Maybe you should petition it to see what CCP thinks?
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 101	Posted - 2014.12.02 04:56:24 - [71] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: ...wardeccing someone, maybe? Turns out you elite PvP players can't handle someone sending you an in game mail. Maybe you should petition it to see what CCP thinks? LOL its so obvious you dont do any homework. Can you prove this character is an elite Combat Toon? I can already tell you its not, its an Indy toon....and as far as markets, procuring mats, and other related things.......yes it is an elite PVP toon. But you couldnt tell the difference in those ways because you equate PVP with Combat....and PVPin EvE is not even close to 50% of Combat. And if you do not understand the meaning of that.....then you must admit you dont know anything about EvE. Need some more rope?
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 336	Posted - 2014.12.02 05:00:55 - [72] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: ...wardeccing someone, maybe? Turns out you elite PvP players can't handle someone sending you an in game mail. Maybe you should petition it to see what CCP thinks? LOL its so obvious you dont do any homework. Can you prove this character is an elite Combat Toon? I can already tell you its not, its an Indy toon....and as far as markets, procuring mats, and other related things.......yes it is an elite PVP toon. But you couldnt tell the difference in those ways because you equate PVP with Combat....and PVPin EvE is not even close to 50% of Combat. And if you do not understand the meaning of that.....then you must admit you dont know anything about EvE. Need some more rope? Oh boy...the PvP isn't combat tripe. No worries...every time I buy ammo it's elite PvP. Ditto for logging off because I could have been logged on and a target someone. Even mofukee the goat herder in Somalia with no electricity is engaged in elite PvP. He could have gotten electricity, bought a laptop, registered for Eve, and been playing the game, providing someone a target to shoot at. By choosing not to play he is PvPing. Brilliant! You sir, are an Eve genius. I'm PvPing right now by forum posting and not undocking Veers. Elite PvP!
Cannibal Kane Umkhonto we Sizwe 4458	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:21:09 - [73] - Quote Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 881	Posted - 2014.12.02 07:34:22 - [74] - Quote It's reverse psychology, he's just dying for a hug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTkcwhJAm8M
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e 16	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:31:55 - [75] - Quote Seems this thread has turned to trash. Thanks Veers! Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate Former The Pirate Syndicate Member Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member Former Burn Eden member Former BioMass Cartel member
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri New Order Logistics CODE. 59	Posted - 2014.12.02 10:41:09 - [76] - Quote I'm wondering whether this thread is going to get locked, too.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 339	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:40:30 - [77] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. Good catch, Kane...though I do actually make fast friends with the no PvP in highsec crowd. Absolutely love your hair by the way. You seem to be on the forums more than usual, can we expect to see your in game activity pick up? Your KB is getting pretty sparse as of late. Back on topic folks, enough Grrr Veers garbage for now....what can we do to get more people involved in piracy? I still like the honest pirates guild idea.
Cannibal Kane Umkhonto we Sizwe 4460	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:02:41 - [78] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. Good catch, Kane...though I do actually make fast friends with the no PvP in highsec crowd. Absolutely love your hair by the way. You seem to be on the forums more than usual, can we expect to see your in game activity pick up? Your KB is getting pretty sparse as of late. Back on topic folks, enough Grrr Veers garbage for now....what can we do to get more people involved in piracy? I still like the honest pirates guild idea. In the new year yes... Kind of time consuming when you are busy moving to another country and work in between. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 339	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:15:30 - [79] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. Good catch, Kane...though I do actually make fast friends with the no PvP in highsec crowd. Absolutely love your hair by the way. You seem to be on the forums more than usual, can we expect to see your in game activity pick up? Your KB is getting pretty sparse as of late. Back on topic folks, enough Grrr Veers garbage for now....what can we do to get more people involved in piracy? I still like the honest pirates guild idea. In the new year yes... Kind of time consuming when you are busy moving to another country and work in between. No worries! Definitely look forward to some more cool action.
Leto Thule Whelp Club 1628	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:58:33 - [80] - Quote Lol honest pirates. Its like saying honest politician. Contradiction in terms. Showtime ( I think ) has a decent pirate TV show on that should sorta show you the ropes. Watch that instead of the veggie tales pirates movie or Neverland pirates that you have apparently garnered your definition of pirates from. Pirates are bad. They steal your things and sell them. And they don't even share! Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Ripard Teg sucks.
CODE Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 819	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:01:25 - [81] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Lol honest pirates. Its like saying honest politician. Contradiction in terms. Showtime ( I think ) has a decent pirate TV show on that should sorta show you the ropes. Watch that instead of the veggie tales pirates movie or Neverland pirates that you have apparently garnered your definition of pirates from. Pirates are bad. They steal your things and sell them. And they don't even share! I always share! I am like the giving tree. Unless it's the last piece of (space) pizza and I absolutely murder you for it. THAT IS MY SLICE YOU ALREADY HAD FOUR! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 824	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:01:25 - [82] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Lol honest pirates. Its like saying honest politician. Contradiction in terms. Showtime ( I think ) has a decent pirate TV show on that should sorta show you the ropes. Watch that instead of the veggie tales pirates movie or Neverland pirates that you have apparently garnered your definition of pirates from. Pirates are bad. They steal your things and sell them. And they don't even share! I always share! I am like the giving tree. Unless it's the last piece of (space) pizza and I absolutely murder you for it. THAT IS MY SLICE YOU ALREADY HAD FOUR! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 824	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:01:25 - [83] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Lol honest pirates. Its like saying honest politician. Contradiction in terms. Showtime ( I think ) has a decent pirate TV show on that should sorta show you the ropes. Watch that instead of the veggie tales pirates movie or Neverland pirates that you have apparently garnered your definition of pirates from. Pirates are bad. They steal your things and sell them. And they don't even share! I always share! I am like the giving tree. Unless it's the last piece of (space) pizza and I absolutely murder you for it. THAT IS MY SLICE YOU ALREADY HAD FOUR! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Formerly Known As AC The Conference Elite CODE. 824	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:01:25 - [84] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Lol honest pirates. Its like saying honest politician. Contradiction in terms. Showtime ( I think ) has a decent pirate TV show on that should sorta show you the ropes. Watch that instead of the veggie tales pirates movie or Neverland pirates that you have apparently garnered your definition of pirates from. Pirates are bad. They steal your things and sell them. And they don't even share! I always share! I am like the giving tree. Unless it's the last piece of (space) pizza and I absolutely murder you for it. THAT IS MY SLICE YOU ALREADY HAD FOUR! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 635	Posted - 2014.12.04 21:46:07 - [85] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. Good catch, Kane...though I do actually make fast friends with the no PvP in highsec crowd. Absolutely love your hair by the way. You seem to be on the forums more than usual, can we expect to see your in game activity pick up? Your KB is getting pretty sparse as of late. Back on topic folks, enough Grrr Veers garbage for now....what can we do to get more people involved in piracy? I still like the honest pirates guild idea. Honestly Veers if you really care about supporting piracy then do it and us a favour and stop talking. The reason I say this is pretty simple, the level of dislike for you has got so high its adversely affecting those things you proclaim to care about simply by degree of association. So stop talking about it, stop saying you support it, in fact stop saying anything about it in any way, shape or form and you will be supporting it far more than you possibly could any other way. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Eldwinn SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel 133	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:12:18 - [86] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. Good catch, Kane...though I do actually make fast friends with the no PvP in highsec crowd. Absolutely love your hair by the way. You seem to be on the forums more than usual, can we expect to see your in game activity pick up? Your KB is getting pretty sparse as of late. Back on topic folks, enough Grrr Veers garbage for now....what can we do to get more people involved in piracy? I still like the honest pirates guild idea. Honestly Veers if you really care about supporting piracy then do it and us a favour and stop talking. The reason I say this is pretty simple, the level of dislike for you has got so high its adversely affecting those things you proclaim to care about simply by degree of association. So stop talking about it, stop saying you support it, in fact stop saying anything about it in any way, shape or form and you will be supporting it far more than you possibly could any other way. tl;dr http://strawpoll.me/3124135
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 344	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:55:36 - [87] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Well... I guess Veers did not join EVE to make friends. That is for damn sure. Good catch, Kane...though I do actually make fast friends with the no PvP in highsec crowd. Absolutely love your hair by the way. You seem to be on the forums more than usual, can we expect to see your in game activity pick up? Your KB is getting pretty sparse as of late. Back on topic folks, enough Grrr Veers garbage for now....what can we do to get more people involved in piracy? I still like the honest pirates guild idea. Honestly Veers if you really care about supporting piracy then do it and us a favour and stop talking. The reason I say this is pretty simple, the level of dislike for you has got so high its adversely affecting those things you proclaim to care about simply by degree of association. So stop talking about it, stop saying you support it, in fact stop saying anything about it in any way, shape or form and you will be supporting it far more than you possibly could any other way. Uhhmmmm....no?
Eric Shang Living Asylum 171	Posted - 2014.12.05 12:45:14 - [88] - Quote The pirates are still about. I think that piracy has changed though as stated before by some. Ransoms: You donGÇÖt get paid ransoms anymore.. I have not been paid one in 1 Year of me plying EVE. I donGÇÖt ransom anymore purely because I tried for 6 months to get someone to pay one and they all refused. The fact that people donGÇÖt really care about isk is one thing. New player can buy plex and boom has 1.6 bil in wallet. Catch him in a belt and he will not care as you wasting his time by holding him down. They ether say shoot me or if you try and talk to them they start self-destruct on pod. With being able to buy a plex and sell it for 800mil now has meant the value of everyhing in EVE is the value of how much rl isk you want to pay for plex. Making money with plex is nothing where making money through doing things in EVE is hard work. People just want the easy ruite and thus choose plex. More money for CCP but the value of ISk as in actually feel like its real money you spending in game is gone. So if you speak to vets they will say how hard it was for them to make isk and then to lose the battleship they saved for was and would have paid a bit of isk to rather let it go than lose it. Thats gone. 1 plex = 2x BS (Fitted) more please. also Pirates who asked for ransoms and still killed pilots made it so new pirates like myself wanting to ransom the same person will not pay. So the old pirates that had the ransom fun killed it by being not honourable about the ransoms they asked. We are about though and you will find Pirate Corporations still in EVE. We just have had to change our tactic a bit. I fly my ships from a Asylum My Pirate Journey: http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/
Tear Jar Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch 184	Posted - 2014.12.05 14:08:01 - [89] - Quote The pirates are in highsec blowing people up and taking their stuff.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 20	Posted - 2014.12.07 00:05:49 - [90] - Quote Piracy has made us a lot of money over the bast couple if months Thing is, it's not something we can talk about publicly
Anslo Scope Works The Blacklist. 23791	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:41:52 - [91] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: The scrubby ** lords are in highsec blowing people up and taking their stuff because they are literally the worst at real pvp Ayy lmao [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]**
Redneck Aideron Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 4	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:43:08 - [92] - Quote I cannot wait to grow up and become a pirate.
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1676	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:45:03 - [93] - Quote Anslo wrote: Tear Jar wrote: The scrubby **** lords are in highsec blowing people up and taking their stuff because they are literally the worst at real pvp Ayy lmao You do realize that piracy does not mean PvP right? Pirates aren't roaming around looking for good fights. They steal, gank, awox, and invade mission pockets. I guess I should expect that you don't know. With you being anslo and all. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Ripard Teg sucks.

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