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Ikin Witch
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Posted - 2006.09.01 17:09:00 -
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I'm interested in purchasing stock, where do i go to do this?
Also any tips on good performers is appreciated.
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Fraynoth
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Posted - 2006.09.01 17:43:00 -
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http://eve.hubau.be is the eve stock exchange, not run by CCP, but it definitely works well. I like EMFI stock, it's cheap and has paid dividends better than its plan on its blog.
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Treelox
Amarr
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.01 17:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Fraynoth
paid dividends better than its plan on its blog.
on purpose maybe.......
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Pizi
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:17:00 -
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first read this alot
then decide if you want to give your money to a total stranger in an game where 99(made up but close) scam like hell
then only invest if you sure you can lose it
EVEpedia [Deutsch/German]
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Terra Phrozen
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Posted - 2006.09.02 08:59:00 -
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If you are new to Trading, I highly recommend you do NOT deal in stock unless you are already rich and don't care.
Scams by liars. GMs don't reimburse anything. Here's how it goes down:
0) They make a very professional conservative website with lots of predictions and estimates and charts and plans. Very well thought out, it impresses the hell out of you!
1) You give them ISK, they give you stock shares.
2) They take your money and run.
3) You retain your worthless stock.
There is no contractual agreement that stops any CEO or Director of any corp from taking all the ISK. It's completely allowed. I've got E-mails from GMs making that very clear.
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Gretek Lal
Minmatar
Hidden Industrial Group
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Posted - 2006.09.04 01:21:00 -
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So there is no way within the game to purchase shares with your game character?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.04 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Terra Phrozen
If you are new to Trading, I highly recommend you do NOT deal in stock unless you are already rich and don't care.
Scams by liars. GMs don't reimburse anything. Here's how it goes down:
0) They make a very professional conservative website with lots of predictions and estimates and charts and plans. Very well thought out, it impresses the hell out of you!
1) You give them ISK, they give you stock shares.
2) They take your money and run.
3) You retain your worthless stock.
There is no contractual agreement that stops any CEO or Director of any corp from taking all the ISK. It's completely allowed. I've got E-mails from GMs making that very clear.
And?
People entrusted huge amounts of ISK to BIG in the early days of EVE, as part of the "BIG Deal", and they did quite well.
The argument against stock trading in EVE is not new: it is 3 years old, and those who refuse to deal in stocks simply won't reap the rewards.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Relsi Choon
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Posted - 2006.09.04 03:24:00 -
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No
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Dagam
Dagam Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The argument against stock trading in EVE is not new: it is 3 years old, and those who refuse to deal in stocks simply won't reap the rewards.
Out of curiosity, how much rewards have you reaped from stock trading?
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Pizi
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:14:00 -
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DS had the luck that he got reimbused by CCP on one scam
now he feels invinceabel
sad but true
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Pizi
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gretek Lal
So there is no way within the game to purchase shares with your game character?
well maybe in an month with kali 1 and contracts
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/09/2006 13:50:23
Originally by: Pizi
DS had the luck that he got reimbused by CCP on one scam
now he feels invinceabel
sad but true
Has nothing to do with it. Even without that, I have profited greatly.
Stock trading is something where you have to be both careful and somewhat trusting.
The reason why the yields are so high is because the risk is high. Economics 101.
Originally by: Dagam
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The argument against stock trading in EVE is not new: it is 3 years old, and those who refuse to deal in stocks simply won't reap the rewards.
Out of curiosity, how much rewards have you reaped from stock trading?
*counts assets*
Maybe about 6-8 billion?
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:21:00 -
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Hi,
I've made about 2 - 3 bil myself from an initial investment of about 500 mil.
It is all about being in the right place at the right time and knowing the real value of the shares you hold.
I really enjoy the stock market. Then again i've only lost say 50 mil on SGV (whatever they were called) and 100 mil on Redstorm. 
My advice is read, then read more, then read more still. Then invest when you see a good buy. Not because you have cash to burn right now.
Best Regards,
Taur
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majko
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Gretek Lal
So there is no way within the game to purchase shares with your game character?
I do purchase shares of my own corp. i do get more votes with more shares and know the corp, that i am investing in.
I wouldn't invest into complete strangers as the EVE hasn't any real functioning way how to make a bank functioning. there is no way, how to pursue the people pay back the loans.
It would make sense to put a lot of ISK together, create a Bank and borrow the money for interest rates, but there is support for this.
I saw a business model based on putting items on escrow and taking loans for 80% of the escrow mineral refine price. That didn't quite function, as the people need the items to keep the business running.
if you give money to somebody, you have almost no power to force him pay the money back
shares are currently usually owned by CEOs and Directors, they can use it in corp. votes (e.g. war declaration). |
Dagam
Dagam Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 15:23:00 -
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Are the yields high? I could spend all my isk on minerals, produce massive amounts of stuff, sell it for a meager 10-20% profit margin and be content in the knowledge that I +10%'d my worth. In comparison EIB promised to return 104% of your investment per month, something like 110% per 3 months (I don't have the info in front of me atm). It seems to me that any enterprising industrialist easily makes isk at a rate faster than most IPOs.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam
Are the yields high? I could spend all my isk on minerals, produce massive amounts of stuff, sell it for a meager 10-20% profit margin and be content in the knowledge that I +10%'d my worth. In comparison EIB promised to return 104% of your investment per month, something like 110% per 3 months (I don't have the info in front of me atm). It seems to me that any enterprising industrialist easily makes isk at a rate faster than most IPOs.
Hi,
The div's can be quite good if you get in at a decent near ipo price.
Take P-TEC for an example give about 10% div's for a share price of 10 mil. Most range from 3 - 15% returns. Then you have the comparable share price increase over time when you want to resell.
This increase in share price does however mean the comparable % return on your purchase if you bought off the market now would be less. Again using P-TEC as an example if you bought one of those shares off the market for 15 mil you wouldnt get 10% return per month for that value, but for the intial value of the share (10 mil).
A better judge of what a share is worth is looking at the NAV (net asset value) of the share based on the assets in the public corp. This should go up over time as the corp grows. Then base your buying price between the NAV and current market selling price. Someone may need to offload some shares and sell to your buy order.
The price people pay for shares is often a reflect on a number of unrelated things to the actual payout. Corp stablity, corp reputation, corp buisness plan and rareness of the shares often comes into play.
The last one is the one that is really odd. It's not as if in a real life share market shares sell at massivly inflated prices just because there are not many about. A good example of this just now is the guy selling Everyshore shares at over a mil a pop (beating my record for overinflation of share price god damn it). The actual value of these shares is a tiny fraction of that price (about 10 - 12k) to get a decent % return in dividends. But people buy because De Mont is a good CEO and is running a classy buisness.
AATP when it gets running well should be a good buy just now at 11k each, EMFI at 13k is ok. The rest on the market atm is a little inflated for my liking and the prices will drop as more companies and choice comes on the market.
Best Regards,
Taur
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Alekseyev Karrde
The Royal Guard
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Posted - 2006.09.04 22:08:00 -
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How does a corp sell stock and if you own stock, how do you get revenue? Does it pay off of the corps earnings after a period of time or does it simply gain a reletive worth in the market for stocks?
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
How does a corp sell stock and if you own stock, how do you get revenue? Does it pay off of the corps earnings after a period of time or does it simply gain a reletive worth in the market for stocks?
Shares are granted directly. i.e. you give the shares to someone and they give you isk. Both are seperate transactions.
You earn money from owning stock, either when you sell the stock for more than you paid, or when the corporation pays a dividend.
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Alekseyev Karrde
The Royal Guard
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Posted - 2006.09.07 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 07/09/2006 15:44:29
And how do dividends work?
Sorry for the newbness if it's an obvious answer..
EDIT: also, is there a limit to the amount of stock a corp has or can sell?
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.09.07 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 07/09/2006 15:44:29
And how do dividends work?
Sorry for the newbness if it's an obvious answer..
EDIT: also, is there a limit to the amount of stock a corp has or can sell?
hi,
public corps tend to work on Monthly or weekly dividend payouts from the profits they have made in the sales period. The original buisness outline will dictate where the income comes from and what percentage of the total profit they will issue to div's each period. Often corp retain some of the operational profit to aid growth of the company.
Amounts of shares are created by a corp vote which is ususlly done before the company goes public (launches its IPO) The starter buisness plan then shows how the shares are being divided.
ie.
Say i had a company that needed 1 billion of assets to work. I started with 500 mil and needed another 500 mil from my IPO. I might make 1 million shares@1 million isk each, keep 500,000 in my wallet to cover my contribution of 500 mil to the corp's worth, then sell the remaining 500k shares to get the rest of the startup cash.
To create shares after the corp is public (if they wanted to raise more through a SMO) a vote would have to be taken and passed. Any shareholder can then say "yay or nay" to this vote to make more shares.
Best Regards,
Taur
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