Personally, I'd make missiles slower but remove explosion velocity from the damage calculations and instead make it doubly dependent on the signature radius of the target. Then you finally get tracking independent damage application. Missiles can then be outrun if they are a few classes too big or kept at a distance long enough to have defender missiles finish them off.

I heard missiles with high velocity, in large quantities, make servers cry. Hence why the fastest missiles are on expensive pirate hulls.

I'm more inclined to faster missiles with shorter flight times, with any ship bonuses for projection being bonuses to flight time.

The biggest deterrent to missiles in PvP is flight time. Paraphrasing from another thread, "why should I care your fleet launched cruise missiles at my fleet from 70km out? I've got time to align and warp out before your missiles get to me." If the way missiles behaved with the Mordus ships was the standard, not the exception, then missiles would likely be used a lot more in PvP.

You don't need to change anything else about how missiles work. Just let me apply damage to my target before I die of old age.

Personally, I'd make missiles slower but remove explosion velocity from the damage calculations and instead make it doubly dependent on the signature radius of the target. Then you finally get tracking independent damage application. Missiles can then be outrun if they are a few classes too big or kept at a distance long enough to have defender missiles finish them off.

not sure if u realize this but a cruiser would basically get full damage from even rage torpedoes if it uses an mwd and mwd BSs take full damage from citadel torpedoes

Not sure if you realize that the numbers can be adapted to fit the new balance. Also read and understand the part about reduced velocity to allow outrunning oversized missiles. You're not going to sit still with a running MWD.

Citadel torpedoes travels at 5.25km/s mwd BSs are 1.5km/s or so with heat even if the speed of the torps got cut in half they would still hit easily. And also you see mwd makes your sig radius 6x the regular size which is really gonna make it fcked up to balance.

Personally, I'd make missiles slower but remove explosion velocity from the damage calculations and instead make it doubly dependent on the signature radius of the target. Then you finally get tracking independent damage application. Missiles can then be outrun if they are a few classes too big or kept at a distance long enough to have defender missiles finish them off.

I was actually thinking the same thing when I clicked on this thread, so +1 for that.

I think that, given how far Eve has come, it is time for a good hard look at missiles in general. (I don't think it will happen, because certain Devs appear to have it out for missiles, but that's not the point here)
I have long wondered why, at sniper ranges, I should bother with cruise missiles when I could use a Maelstrom and have time for even 1400mm arty to cycle twice and apply damage instantly. This limits true long range missile fits to solo/small gang PvE, missions or maybe Sleepers, where the flight time is slightly out-balanced by the application. A Raven with Fury CM's can range to 160km easily, however even an Orca would have time to align and warp out in the ~16 seconds before missiles reach the target. Seems like a minor problem to me, and I think that it is long past time that missiles get a revamp.

What about keeping short-range missiles at or near their current speeds while boosting the long range types? Combine this with, finally, a missile mod other than a BCU and you could have a good combo.

as i said b4 because just making missiles more like turrets isn't the way to go the idea given earlier in the thread about slowing them down but removing expl rad and vel is a much better idea i think

as i said b4 because just making missiles more like turrets isn't the way to go the idea given earlier in the thread about slowing them down but removing expl rad and vel is a much better idea i think

as i said b4 because just making missiles more like turrets isn't the way to go the idea given earlier in the thread about slowing them down but removing expl rad and vel is a much better idea i think

Edit: As for TP's and blapping, the devil is in the details but I would imagine that for application to be boosted to where this would be an issue there would either be lots of support on-grid or your damage/range would be gimped to such an extent that this would be a niche role. Hopefully

Ok, steering the conversation back towards missile speed...what would be the technical roadblocks towards integrating significantly faster missiles with reduced flight time (same range, faster speed)? I haven't heard any reasons with hard evidence against implementing this, and server impact continues to be an interest point either way in this thread.

Roadblocks? You mean besides certain Devs?
They already did it with the Mordu's line and that didn't break the servers. In fact, I believe that faster missiles would stand to reduce server load since missiles will be tracked for less server ticks.

^Exactly

There's no bloody reason at all for them NOT to increase the speed other than farcical arguments for 'balance'. As if missile damage application is somehow overpowered...

The idea I'd have in mind would be to go at least halfway towards the velocities seen with the mordus ships. I think going all the way would be acceptable as well, and would be easily applicable from a lore standpoint, i.e. "BREAKING NEWS: Caldari navy acquires advanced missile propulsion technology from Mordu's legion in high-profile Lai Dai deal." or something along those lines. I would LIKE my bloody javelin rockets to reach out to kiting range.

hence making them reeaalllyyy sloowwww. Another thing that could work at that point would be tweaking drone code to be able to defend the parent or target ship and shoot down missiles; just not all of them before they hit. Would that be an acceptable counter?