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Bobb Bobbington DeD Runners United 0	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:51:34 - [1] - Quote Lol, um.... So.. I had this huge theory that was 5 pages long, but it doesn't fit in the post because of it's size. If an ISD or Dev wants me to take it down for fear it's a phishing link I can, but it's not. Also, it may seem like roleplaying at first, but it's a legit theory and not roleplaying. Anyway, before you read it, it's a huge wall of text that is 5 pages long and contains spoilers on the Templar One book. Also, I want to say for all record I got the idea of the theory from another post, by Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386656&find=unread, the one post which is named [HOLY COW] Sleepers, Jovians, and the 'Other'. However, I believe I have taken the theory far enough and altered it so much that, while giving credit to him for the idea, it deserves it's own post. The following link is to a google document that has the theory on it. https://docs.google.com/a/mosenet.us/document/d/126ok7cFo5LY_F7wCuSfcCdkOWiuXYOpR2OnciLiBLUY/edit?pli=1#
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 23955	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:03:03 - [2] - Quote No TL;DR even? Is this a theory of unification? Theory of Communism? Theory of religion? or just a theory of huge? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 8694	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:06:04 - [3] - Quote The Cake is not a lie!! I like CakeyKate. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Bobb Bobbington DeD Runners United 0	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:11:38 - [4] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: No TL;DR even? Is this a theory of unification? Theory of Communism? Theory of religion? or just a theory of huge? I never really got TL;DR, what does it mean again? Also, it's basically a huge theory that CCP is carefully creating an event where capsuleers across New Eden will have to band together to beat back the Sanshas from creating a Gate.
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 2099	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:21:18 - [5] - Quote Bobb Bobbington wrote: I never really got TL;DR, what does it mean again? Too Long; Didn't Read. Pro-tip: Next time you do this forgo the Google doc and instead make a thread followed by another post or two for your wall of text. A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 12179	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:50:46 - [6] - Quote That really does sound plausible The only issue I see is that the Sansha seem wary of what's going on- they retreated from an incursion without the use of their wormholes, now that the sleepers are becoming active. Also, good point about the Empires- I did say that they shouldn't be trusted, but if they discover the truth about what's going on behind the scenes, I'm sure that they would fight against it as well. Good theory- I'm glad to see how interested everyone is in seeing where this will go- all we can do for now is wait and see A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Bobb Bobbington DeD Runners United 2	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:58:58 - [7] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: That really does sound plausible The only issue I see is that the Sansha seem wary of what's going on- they retreated from an incursion without the use of their wormholes, now that the sleepers are becoming active. Also, good point about the Empires- I did say that they shouldn't be trusted, but if they discover the truth about what's going on behind the scenes, I'm sure that they would fight against it as well. Good theory- I'm glad to see how interested everyone is in seeing where this will go- all we can do for now is wait and see Thank you. I hope you're okay that I had to use your idea as a base, I myself haven't read Templar One.
Serene Repose 1666	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:03:04 - [8] - Quote Really. Have you considered doing volunteer work outside the house; some place where you meet people? For some people, dear OP, allowing the mind to run wild isn't a good thing. It may seem smart but.... I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 12181	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:28:12 - [9] - Quote Bobb Bobbington wrote: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: That really does sound plausible The only issue I see is that the Sansha seem wary of what's going on- they retreated from an incursion without the use of their wormholes, now that the sleepers are becoming active. Also, good point about the Empires- I did say that they shouldn't be trusted, but if they discover the truth about what's going on behind the scenes, I'm sure that they would fight against it as well. Good theory- I'm glad to see how interested everyone is in seeing where this will go- all we can do for now is wait and see Thank you. I hope you're okay that I had to use your idea as a base, I myself haven't read Templar One. I have no problem with that, haha- and I'd really recommend that you read it- it would any only important: it's interesting too! A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Auronos Legacy Solaris 0	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:30:12 - [10] - Quote It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility.
Bobb Bobbington DeD Runners United 3	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:45:18 - [11] - Quote Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. You realize the Prophecy trailer was just a piece of added evidence. Also, it doesn't say anywhere that it happened in the past. What's to say it isn't a very strong stargate capable of moving ships huge ranges to and from the wormholes, like I said in my theory?
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 12182	Posted - 2014.11.29 00:21:11 - [12] - Quote Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. The prophecy trailer is CCP's vision for the future- it has not only capsule pilots, but also Legionnaires and Valkyrians, which don't even exist in New Eden just yet. Also, you're completely wrong when you say the 'prophecy' is about the Caldari. There were no capsuleers, and T3 battle cruisers only came into being a few years ago. This is a vision of the future, not the past. A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Radax Glenn C5 Flight The Serenity Initiative 62	Posted - 2014.11.29 00:33:52 - [13] - Quote Interesting piece OP. I think you have some valid points.
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1320	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:44:59 - [14] - Quote Would just like to point out that I didn't bother to read anything in this thread. Instead, I have my own theory: The different races of humans have evolved from different creatures. Some are from ape, some from lizard, some from goats. This explains many things. There is also no tangible evidence disproving my theory, since we can't actually go back in time to see Charles Drewin evolving things.
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6040	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:25:11 - [15] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. The prophecy trailer is CCP's vision for the future- it has not only capsule pilots, but also Legionnaires and Valkyrians, which don't even exist in New Eden just yet. Also, you're completely wrong when you say the 'prophecy' is about the Caldari. There were no capsuleers, and T3 battle cruisers only came into being a few years ago. This is a vision of the future, not the past. Worth noting in that trailer, too, is the two small sleeper drones you can see hovering in the peripherals of the defending troops during the boarding scene towards the end of the video. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6040	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:27:25 - [16] - Quote Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. Before you talk about anyone else's credibility, how about you get your literacy skills up to adult standards first, and learn the lore before trying to lecture on it. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Auronos Legacy Solaris 0	Posted - 2014.11.29 11:32:41 - [17] - Quote Oh well, what I heared was bullshit then, my apologies. Remiel Pollard wrote: Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. Before you talk about anyone else's credibility, how about you get your literacy skills up to adult standards first, and learn the lore before trying to lecture on it. I'm French and your argument mainly being on "literacy skills" is invalid and makes you stupid.
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 6042	Posted - 2014.11.29 11:49:26 - [18] - Quote Auronos wrote: Oh well, what I heared was bullshit then, my apologies. Remiel Pollard wrote: Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. Before you talk about anyone else's credibility, how about you get your literacy skills up to adult standards first, and learn the lore before trying to lecture on it. I'm French and your argument mainly being on "literacy skills" is invalid and makes you stupid. No, it doesn't. Ignoring the entirety of my argument is ignorant, which is on the other side of the coin from stupid. Did you come into this thread just for the sole purpose of giving the OP **** or are you just naturally angsty? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2014.11.29 12:04:01 - [19] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: That really does sound plausible The only issue I see is that the Sansha seem wary of what's going on- they retreated from an incursion without the use of their wormholes, now that the sleepers are becoming active. Also, good point about the Empires- I did say that they shouldn't be trusted, but if they discover the truth about what's going on behind the scenes, I'm sure that they would fight against it as well. Good theory- I'm glad to see how interested everyone is in seeing where this will go- all we can do for now is wait and see The sleepers AI has been awakened but by whom and for what? The bright star observed and reported as growing may be the Jove or another until now unknown race making themselves known!
kes88 Swords of Persephone 60	Posted - 2014.11.29 13:31:48 - [20] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Auronos wrote: Oh well, what I heared was bullshit then, my apologies. Remiel Pollard wrote: Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. Before you talk about anyone else's credibility, how about you get your literacy skills up to adult standards first, and learn the lore before trying to lecture on it. I'm French and your argument mainly being on "literacy skills" is invalid and makes you stupid. No, it doesn't. Ignoring the entirety of my argument is ignorant, which is on the other side of the coin from stupid. Did you come into this thread just for the sole purpose of giving the OP **** or are you just naturally angsty? He loosed his vowels
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 12204	Posted - 2014.11.29 16:02:35 - [21] - Quote Miko Jin wrote: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: That really does sound plausible The only issue I see is that the Sansha seem wary of what's going on- they retreated from an incursion without the use of their wormholes, now that the sleepers are becoming active. Also, good point about the Empires- I did say that they shouldn't be trusted, but if they discover the truth about what's going on behind the scenes, I'm sure that they would fight against it as well. Good theory- I'm glad to see how interested everyone is in seeing where this will go- all we can do for now is wait and see The sleepers AI has been awakened but by whom and for what? The bright star observed and reported as growing may be the Jove or another until now unknown race making themselves known! There's a new file called 'supernova' in the game files, so that's what I'm assuming it is; I'm fairly certain that that's what is going to cause all of the Gates in UUA-F4 to break, and the Jovians' star gates to shut down as well. Also, the Sleepers have never been 'asleep' to begin with- they live within their virtual world, connected to it through the constructs, and the Drones are programmed to defend them- they've never left their posts to attack anything: we come to them and destroy them over and over again. And now they're making a resurgence into New Eden for some reason- and the only reason that seems plausible at the moment is that they are going to make a stand against the 'Other' (If you haven't read Templar One, please do- not only is it a very important source of information on the Sleepers and Jovians; It's a good read as well!) A City made of Wood is built in the forest A City made of Stone is built in the mountains But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven. Jovian Proverb GÖâ
Haedonism Bot Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 1619	Posted - 2014.11.29 17:36:08 - [22] - Quote So, to summarize, your theory is- "RPers gonna RP and PVEers gonna PVE." Did I miss anything? CODE. is recruiting highsec PvPers for wardecs www.everevolutioanryfront.blogspot.com
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 98	Posted - 2014.11.29 18:07:24 - [23] - Quote Not sure how the Prohecy trailer really fits into your theory. But i have read 'Temlar One' myself...... Part of my predictions fromt that were correct....Tibus Heth was ousted. The other parts of my own thoeries and things......not so sure. Fact CONCORD has in a way basically declared war upon the Empires....more so the Federation and Caldari with the unprovoked attacks of their THANATOS on ground troops in Ammake on Pikes Landing. But the issuance of their orders and the seemingly literal interpratation of their mandate to ensure Capsuleer Tech is not proliferated upon more than it is (aka Legionares). Then you have the sleepers, opposed to the 'other' which is born of a virtual quantum computer program and not of flesh like them selves. Seem to have a plan to come into K-space if necessary to fight him. The original 'Templars' and their technology was ordered destroyed by Empress Jamyl whom also issued orders to never listen to any further orders on using direct Sleeper Tech like the original Templars. However, Mordu's Legion, Ishukone, and President Roden all conspired to make a reverse engineered tech implant technology that was safe from Sleeper influences for the use of Legionares...keep in mind the Federation was already working on a Ground Troop program for utilizing Capsuleer technology.....a program Tibus Heth himself was against. Should the Empires be trusted.......I would think not considering the vague evidence of the Sisters of EvE being so hateful against us, CONCORD's penchant for attemptes to control us, and then you have the Sansha and enigmatic Jovians to through into the mix.....Sansha is compelled to create a hive mind setting utilizing implants.....while the Joves...gave us (CALDARI first) Capsuleer technology and are opposed to the SOE plans to subjugate or destroy Capsuleers. ill just say in closing its a convuluted mess...... But I expect sooner or later....Capsuleers and Concord will be at opposite ends of the battlefield one day....and the Empires + SOE will be caught in the middle, who do you think they will side with?
Makhpella Temet Nosce Ex Astra 1	Posted - 2014.11.29 18:36:32 - [24] - Quote http://youtu.be/UuR5gjgw_xk
okst666 Bad Request 282	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:20:32 - [25] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. The prophecy trailer is CCP's vision for the future- it has not only capsule pilots, but also Legionnaires and Valkyrians, which don't even exist in New Eden just yet. Also, you're completely wrong when you say the 'prophecy' is about the Caldari. There were no capsuleers, and T3 battle cruisers only came into being a few years ago. This is a vision of the future, not the past. Worth noting in that trailer, too, is the two small sleeper drones you can see hovering in the peripherals of the defending troops during the boarding scene towards the end of the video. I do not think, that those are actual "Sleeper" drones. They seem to be more like infantry drones along with mechs and whatnot. They were supposed for a survival mode in DUST514. I do not know if they ever made it into the game. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Htz8-UyLEDM/T3Hl1i0aJ_I/AAAAAAAAAT4/IwfWieSJPhE/s1600/PVE+DRONES.png and http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f2/09/19/f2091904e87ea5246566bf39b48bc686.jpg @OP: nice job @Rest: GÇ£The Prophecy was true, the heretics have constructed the gateGÇ¥ was said by a sister of eve. [X] < Nail here for new monitor
Rock Brackenshield Paradox Outburst Infinite Paradox. 7	Posted - 2014.11.30 01:28:50 - [26] - Quote I've actually been talking with some folks in my corp about all this, and we've come up with several theories of our own, related to the apocalypse prophecy, and Sleepers, and the like. I know neither the main guy I talked to about it, nor I have read Templar One, so take it with a grain of salt. 1. The fourth prophecy (appetite of nothing expands over the world) I haven't really been able to relate it too much to what's been happening in game, however I think it has something to do with Sleepers and their growing interactions/expansion into K-space. Another theory is that the light in the sky, the supernova, is an act of the Sleepers that caused a chain reaction within Jove space, resulting in the destruction of their systems, giving in the shattered wormhole systems we'll heave in Rhea. The numbers are roughly similar, I believe it's 100 shattered systems, and 107 or so Jovian gates removed. An explosion of that magnitude combined with the already weak space-time fabric from the incident that initially drew the wormholes to New Eden could have the effect of the supernova being seen throughout New Eden, and the epicenter of the explosion could very well be Thera, which is supposed to have a shocking number of wormhole connections open at any one time, and would make sense that it would have the weakest space-time fabric, if that is indeed where the explosion initially occured 2. the fifth prophecy (the little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcome) I think that could possibly be one of several different events; Jovians returning to Earth and the Terrans not taking it that well, or the Jovians returning to our K-space (although this conflicts with several other theories I'm presenting), or maybe even the Sleepers returning back to K-space fully and establishing themselves there. 3. the sixth prophecy (what was many now becomes one when one becomes four) this one is a bit interesting, initially I thought it had to deal with our past; the many peoples of Earth becoming one to explore and expand into New Eden, and then the one becoming four is that effectively single group of people rising to become the four empires. However, looking at the wording of it, I'm not so sure that's the case. A completely random theory is that although they effectively are gone, it has something to do with the other civilizations in WH space beyond the Sleepers (Talocan and the like), in which they all became one, either by joining together, or that they all became extinct at around the same time as the EVE Gate collapse, where the colonies began to split and we see the initial rising of the peoples who would become the four empires. Overall, for some reason I can't seem to shake the fact that this one seems more rooted in the past, rather than something in the future. 4. Now for the fun one, the seventh prophecy (return of the dark light from the heart of the mother). This seems to practically scream EVE Gate, but what specifically about it, I'm not 100% sure. Heart of the Mother leads me to think it might not be the Gate, but the EVE wormhole itself, and the dark light either being it opening back up, or it causing another shockwave as when it initially closed, and ultimately disrupting life as we know it, causing the titular name of the prophecies, the apocalypse. Just a couple thoughts from our ramblings and such. Again, haven't read Templar One, so it could be horribly wrong, but still, fun to ponder about anyways.
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 2281	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:40:13 - [27] - Quote Auronos wrote: I'm French and I can confirm that 90% of my country's defense budget is allocated to the purchase of white flags That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... `[#savethelance]`
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 2281	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:43:06 - [28] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: No, it doesn't. Ignoring the entirety of my argument is ignorant, which is on the other side of the coin from stupid. Did you come into this thread just for the sole purpose of giving the OP **** or are you just naturally angsty? French guy demands that you ignore his horrible grasp on the English language, then turns around and refuses to speak English to tourists that mis-pronounce even a single word in French. I swear to the gods, France is the single most ethnocentric society in the entire world. (and that's coming from an American) That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... `[#savethelance]`
Aralieus The Inf1dels 227	Posted - 2014.11.30 09:15:33 - [29] - Quote Auronos wrote: It's nice from you but atleast half of the theory is completely false. You talk about the EVE Prophecy trailer where it's said that the "heretics are constructing a gate" but they are talking about the caldarian building their first stargate and by the way taking independence from the amarr stargates (which made them mad). Did you watched the trailer entirely before saying conspirationnists bullshits ? Just because of that, you loosed all your credibility. That trailer had nothing to do with caldari building thier first gate, it was set in the future and you can see that by the fact that there are titans, dust mercs and valkyries. All of which baring titans are fairly new additions to eve. Please don't troll, these are exciting times ahead and the universe as we know it will soon be changed forever. Oderint Dum Metuant
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 395	Posted - 2014.11.30 09:25:07 - [30] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: That really does sound plausible The only issue I see is that the Sansha seem wary of what's going on- they retreated from an incursion without the use of their wormholes, now that the sleepers are becoming active. Also, good point about the Empires- I did say that they shouldn't be trusted, but if they discover the truth about what's going on behind the scenes, I'm sure that they would fight against it as well. Good theory- I'm glad to see how interested everyone is in seeing where this will go- all we can do for now is wait and see Oh god, now you just had to made me read all of that.

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