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Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 38	Posted - 2014.11.29 04:59:54 - [1] - Quote Any update on removing this game play option from hisec? Ccp said end of year. Rhea last patch before 2015? Also zkill.com/awox look for past 2 months. I dare you to count over 50 losses in hisec not rvb or obvious corp duels on there. You cant. I would be willing to bet more bears died to rats than awoxed in past 2 months. Like 99% certian. Again hisec only cuz thats where the change is gonna affect So any mews?
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7339	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:05:03 - [2] - Quote Cuz only the .001% certain to be affected by this give a fedo's arse. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Code Redd Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:12:59 - [3] - Quote it doesnt matter how often it happens, or who it happens to... it's the fact that it happens. It's a broken mechanic that's lingered too long. It was done to allow some assists and remote reps and the like, and got out of hand because it didnt stop the guns. CCP want it fixed. Even if it were not a broken mechanic, as they say, it's VERY discouraging to new players. I'd bet that most of the awox that happens is against newer players (really, the ones naive enough). This, in turn, frustrates and discourages a new player from keeping their sub to EVE--especially when they lose everything and get podded too... So, maybe, just maybe, this is a fine thing to remove--AND, it would make mission and mining corps about a thousand times less worried about letting people join the corp. removing it will make ALL recruiting go just a little smoother... and it's easily replaced by about 10 different mechanics/options that they can add for corp's to fight each other. including an option in corp settings to turn it on or off. it's a stupid thing that needs to go away, just like dual active props did, or mines, or infinite tracking in 2 WH's.
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 38	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:16:54 - [4] - Quote Your bet would be wrong. Most awoxing isnt done to noobs look on zkill.com/awox. You really think people make alts, join corps just to shoot at ventures or some dude running level 1s in a frig?? No. They awox year old miners they awox pay2win plex missioners. They awox people that can and should avoid it. All this protect the newbros dying to safaris is ludicrious. It doesnt happen lemmings. Look it up. Its just some story you all run with like a crazed mob. No ones joining corps to kill 3day old ventures lol.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 295	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:31:35 - [5] - Quote Every form of non-consensual pvp is criminalized by saying "stop picking on newbies". Screw newbies. Kill them early and often. That said, beyond the "We'd like to remove it by the end of the year" comment in the CSM minutes, there has been no mention of actually doing away with the mechanic that allows awoxing. I'm sure it will be done away with eventually, but I doubt it happens in Rhea. Too many people are convinced that the threat of awox is a major reason why new players refuse to leave npc corps. It isn't, but it makes a nice excuse. Vote Sabriz!
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:39:43 - [6] - Quote I'd like to know this too. While I don't engage in this activity (I tend to predominantly run my own corporations, and in a way in which reputation is important), awoxing is one of the Big Three non-consensual pvp methods in the game, with the other two being wars and ganking. If they remove it from the game, it means that CCP is invariably heading down the path of making high-sec safe, because the logic is easy to follow, and its conclusion is evident: "Okay, we removed awoxing, but no one's still joining corporations because it doesn't stop them from getting killed and having "bad experiences" with the game, what do we do?" "Well, players complain that when they join corporations, they get war declared on them, and that interferes with their gameplay..." And then half a year later, war recipients need to agree to wars in order for them to go live. But it's okay, because we'll still be able to gank, right? Right? Just one more nerf is all we need, guys. Removing awoxing would set a very obvious precedent, and would make CCP go back on the notion that EVE is harsh and dangerous. On top of that, it makes no sense from the perspective of EVE's storyline, since CONCORD doesn't meddle in the internal affairs of capsuleer corporations because they exist as separate political entities. It would be akin to CONCORD outlawing the execution of convicted criminals within the four empires; it simply has no jurisdiction to do that. And finally, doing this would be game-breaking with regard to a few very important game mechanics, such as corp theft. If some guy decides to start clearing out your tower, you wouldn't even be able to do anything about it. That's just absurd. To obviously reiterate on what others have said: newbies don't get awoxed anyway; the rare cases where it does happen are total outliers. Players who dump hundreds of dollars into PLEXes to buy characters and blinged-out mission boats on their first day in the game are not newbies. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:52:04 - [7] - Quote CONFIRMING IT IS A FACT THAT WAR EVASION IS PRIMARY AND USUALLY ONLY REASON PEOPLE OF ALL AGES STAY IN NPC CORPS. WARDECS ARE PROBLEM WITH RETENTION/NPC CORP STAYING INING
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7341	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:54:59 - [8] - Quote Confirming that poasting in all caps validates baseless opinions as fact. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:00:18 - [9] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Cuz only the .001% certain to be affected by this give a fedo's arse. This is a massive fallacy that you won't be able to get away with. Just because only a small percentage of a population engages in something or is exposed to it, doesn't mean that many more won't be affected. Only .001% of a nation's population might run for office, but if democracy is replaced with a dictatorship, the entire nation will be affected. It's no different with awoxing in EVE; its removal might only directly affect a few players, but the game will become less open-ended, among other things, for everyone. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7341	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:07:08 - [10] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Cuz only the .001% certain to be affected by this give a fedo's arse. This is a massive fallacy that you won't be able to get away with. Just because only a small percentage of a population engages in something or is exposed to it, doesn't mean that many more won't be affected. Only .001% of a nation's population might run for office, but if democracy is replaced with a dictatorship, the entire nation will be affected. It's no different with awoxing in EVE; its removal might only directly affect a few players, but the game will become less open-ended, among other things, for everyone. Got a better argument than a strawman or non sequitur? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.

Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:10:12 - [11] - Quote Zkill.com/awox is arguement/proof/end of story. More people self destruct than get safaries in hisec. The lolishtar kills more people prob in 1hr than awox in hisec in 6months. Ccp needs to focus on balance and changes that need focused on not this that barely affects anyone and those it does affect can avoid it
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 866	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:14:32 - [12] - Quote Might I make a suggestion? Decaf. Until there's something in a patch note or on a dev blog about this it's still a non-issue. There are many things that CCP has wanted to do but never did for whatever reason. Trying to drum up panic about this serves no purpose.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:16:32 - [13] - Quote Even if thousands of players died to awoxing every day, the number alone wouldn't justify its removal. Only the cause and its effect can justify a change like this. Right now, CCP is pushing for this change because they're claiming that the cause is new players dying, and the effect is no one's willing to join player corporations. Both of these are assumptions that are clearly proven wrong by widely-available empirical evidence. If we're going to attack this bad decision, we should do it properly, and lose this focus on the numbers game, even if it's to our advantage. Omar Alharazaad wrote: Might I make a suggestion? Decaf. Until there's something in a patch note or on a dev blog about this it's still a non-issue. There are many things that CCP has wanted to do but never did for whatever reason. Trying to drum up panic about this serves no purpose. But the reason they never implemented those changes was because of a prevalence of negative feedback in their regard. If we stay silent while CCP begins to muse over this idea, they can easily interpret it as a sign of unanimous support. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:17:08 - [14] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Might I make a suggestion? Decaf. Until there's something in a patch note or on a dev blog about this it's still a non-issue. There are many things that CCP has wanted to do but never did for whatever reason. Trying to drum up panic about this serves no purpose. It will be too late then. Ever wonder what if anakin died at the pod race? This needs squashed and ccp refocused onto something that actually needs changed and fixed... like 2% nerfs to scorch i guess? Lol
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7341	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:19:20 - [15] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Right now, CCP is pushing for this change because they're claiming that the cause is new players dying, and the effect is no one's willing to join player corporations. [CITATION NEEDED] Hysteria is bad m'kay. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 866	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:20:21 - [16] - Quote yes, if he'd died in the pod race I wouldn't have had to suffer through even more cinematic dreck.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:24:24 - [17] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Right now, CCP is pushing for this change because they're claiming that the cause is new players dying, and the effect is no one's willing to join player corporations. [CITATION NEEDED] Hysteria is bad m'kay. You're kidding, right? It's right in the CSM minutes. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1721	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:25:25 - [18] - Quote Persifonne wrote: Zkill.com/awox is arguement/proof/end of story. More people self destruct than get safaries in hisec. The lolishtar kills more people prob in 1hr than awox in hisec in 6months. Ccp needs to focus on balance and changes that need focused on not this that barely affects anyone and those it does affect can avoid it Ever consider that most awox's don't actually get onto the killboards. Because the target doesn't have a linked API or post the loss mail manually, while the awox'er wants to keep under the radar so they can do it to another corp. Zkill is not a perfect record of EVE's kills, nor is it even close to a real record.
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:25:46 - [19] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Right now, CCP is pushing for this change because they're claiming that the cause is new players dying, and the effect is no one's willing to join player corporations. [CITATION NEEDED] Hysteria is bad m'kay. Csm minutes said pretty much exactly that actually lol. That it makes new players stay in npc corps which leads to less retention and that ccp wants it gone by end of year so new players leave npc corp. Like basically exactly that
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:28:04 - [20] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Persifonne wrote: Zkill.com/awox is arguement/proof/end of story. More people self destruct than get safaries in hisec. The lolishtar kills more people prob in 1hr than awox in hisec in 6months. Ccp needs to focus on balance and changes that need focused on not this that barely affects anyone and those it does affect can avoid it Ever consider that most awox's don't actually get onto the killboards. Because the target doesn't have a linked API or post the loss mail manually, while the awox'er wants to keep under the radar so they can do it to another corp. Zkill is not a perfect record of EVE's kills, nor is it even close to a real record. I don't know how they do it, but actually, it pretty much is almost a perfect record of the kills that happen in the game. I've had deaths show up there on alts that died to NPCs in alt corps with no API keys in existence. At the very least, it's a very accurate killboard. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:28:29 - [21] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Persifonne wrote: Zkill.com/awox is arguement/proof/end of story. More people self destruct than get safaries in hisec. The lolishtar kills more people prob in 1hr than awox in hisec in 6months. Ccp needs to focus on balance and changes that need focused on not this that barely affects anyone and those it does affect can avoid it Ever consider that most awox's don't actually get onto the killboards. Because the target doesn't have a linked API or post the loss mail manually, while the awox'er wants to keep under the radar so they can do it to another corp. Zkill is not a perfect record of EVE's kills, nor is it even close to a real record. No. I get into corps on the reg with api on all accounts on their. Youd see more bear threads about it too dude. It doesnt happen as pften as the crazyangrybear mob would have you believe and it doesnt happy to 5day old ventures
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1320	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:29:36 - [22] - Quote I'd just like to say that I agree with the OP; Highsec awoxing is done SO incredibly little in the past 5 months, that the sooner it is removed from the game, the sooner we can all forget that we even cared it was removed. Considering this is an issue that causes far more concern for new players, and prevents them from joining player corps, than it actually happens, just get rid of it and be done with it. +1 for removing highsec corp awoxing by Rhea.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7342	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:30:24 - [23] - Quote Persifonne wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Right now, CCP is pushing for this change because they're claiming that the cause is new players dying, and the effect is no one's willing to join player corporations. [CITATION NEEDED] Hysteria is bad m'kay. Csm minutes said pretty much exactly that actually lol. That it makes new players stay in npc corps which leads to less retention and that ccp wants it gone by end of year so new players leave npc corp. Like basically exactly that Since CCP alone has access to any meaningful statistics let me rephrase: Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2293	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:38:16 - [24] - Quote Arronicus wrote: I'd just like to say that I agree with the OP; Highsec awoxing is done SO incredibly little in the past 5 months, that the sooner it is removed from the game, the sooner we can all forget that we even cared it was removed. Considering this is an issue that causes far more concern for new players, and prevents them from joining player corps, than it actually happens, just get rid of it and be done with it. +1 for removing highsec corp awoxing by Rhea. So your justification for a change is that it's a cause of concern for a group of people out of sheer ignorance as to the reality of the matter? Because if so, I have some more game mechanics I'd like to nominate for removal. For example, how about we remove all capital ships from the game? New players seem to be under the impression that they'll never be able to use them without waiting for a decade and dumping hundreds of real-life dollars into the game to buy them, and it has to result in some number of them not continuing their subscriptions. How about we remove incursions and null-sec anomalies, because they're obviously destroying the economy with massive inflation? Or are you saying that it's fine to get rid of a gameplay component only because a tiny percentage of all players makes use of it? Because if so, we should probably just cut out that whole wormhole thing, since only five or six percent of the entire game's player base lives in them. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 06:41:33 - [25] - Quote Arronicus wrote: I'd just like to say that I agree with the OP; Guess what my hand is doing right this moment as i read that allowd?? I like when you agree with me yo
Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:29:31 - [26] - Quote police- you're in trouble- you just killed someone badman- but I work at the same company as him.. police- sorry to disturb you. carry on It is being removed because it is a stupid mechanic not for noob reasons or anything. also if nobody awoxes anymore, why are people bothered about losing it? wardecs are not as broken as awoxing so losing awoxing does not mean the slippery slope to losing wardecs after
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 39	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:32:57 - [27] - Quote Wardecs are the NUMBER 1 MOST BROKE THiNG IN GAME. Spend 50mill... Dude folds corp reforms (used to be an exploit btw) Or spend 50mill... Everrrybody goes to live in npc corp for week Suicide gank is ONLY way to non consenually touch anyone
Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:37:46 - [28] - Quote Persifonne wrote: Wardecs are the NUMBER 1 MOST BROKE THiNG IN GAME. Spend 50mill... Dude folds corp reforms (used to be an exploit btw) Or spend 50mill... Everrrybody goes to live in npc corp for week Suicide gank is ONLY way to non consenually touch anyone but the overall idea of wardecs is good therefore it is going to be fixed rather than removed awoxing is a stupid mechanic completely, hence its removal
Josef Djugashvilis 2715	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:49:30 - [29] - Quote I like to think that should my one man corp be wardecced and I am ganked to hell and back, that I could create an alt, join the offending corp and attempt to destroy them from the inside. This is Eve Online afterall. This is not a signature.
Persifonne Monkey Demons Of Narnia 40	Posted - 2014.11.29 07:50:11 - [30] - Quote Tam Arai wrote: Persifonne wrote: Wardecs are the NUMBER 1 MOST BROKE THiNG IN GAME. Spend 50mill... Dude folds corp reforms (used to be an exploit btw) Or spend 50mill... Everrrybody goes to live in npc corp for week Suicide gank is ONLY way to non consenually touch anyone but the overall idea of wardecs is good therefore it is going to be fixed rather than removed awoxing is a stupid mechanic completely, hence its removal Then ccp should be allocationg and spenidng resources and time fixing things that matter and are important and broke like wardecs, warevasion, lolisktars, tech2 short range ammo. Not wasting time "fixing" safaris and nerfing scorch 2% and spending additional extra time fozzie said putting icebelts in frig wormholes that cant be mined. Wake up, ccp is ignoring stuff that needs fixed and screwin round with pointless crap



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