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KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
52
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Posted - 2014.12.01 11:51:45 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
Please undock more.
Well I admire your honesty in words, as also your dedication.
And strong posture is very.. charming?... I wish those lips were not caldarian..
It reminds me of many past pains from my old captors...
With saying that, I see you are a reasonable person. Then why a special specimen like you simply chose to be a slave of capitalist ideals instead of choosing freedom?
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2014.12.01 13:36:58 -
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Well, if anyone is not going to do it, might aswell be the first...
Good job in capturing Huola! Liberating a system is always a big deal, I think. I remember not a few weeks back how Huola was a hotspot for conflict, but I'm glad peace has finaly arrived.
Judging by the lack of current interest in the recapturing Huola, maybe it will remain peaceful for a while! That's good!
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
203
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:04:25 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Eli Hakomairos wrote:Shame Your state protectorate can't get any praises these days, Kim. Any ground you do gain, just remember Bohica Allows it. Why even bother fighting for the State Protectorate? Heth managed to muddy the waters so much with his threats of nationalisation that no sane corporation would invest in Black Rise anyway! It's a disenfranchised corporation headed by a discredited political faction offering dirty money for dubious ends. And I say this as someone who's fought on both sides of the 'Calamari War Effort' - long enough to know that the phrase is a joke. There's no cooperation. No grand strategy. Just disconnected groups at alliance size, at best. As much as I would like it not to be so, I've come to the conclusion that the Gallente/Caldari zone is largely wasted effort - there hasn't been serious Caldari investment in that area to guard since the Auctions fell through and the Gallente citizens were denied their voting rights. It's a different story on the Amarr/Matari front, where the systems that switch sides (however regularly and briefly) actually contain colonies with populations and resources. Often enough Mr. Tuulinen, I find that though I may not always agree with your opinions, I can at least respect your wisdom and can see your point of view.
However, where it concerns Black Rise, the political landscape, and your apparent view of the people living and breathing on the worlds that make up the cluster, I can find nothing to respect. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1482
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:27:19 -
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KaRa DaVuT wrote:Then why a special specimen like you simply chose to be a slave of capitalist ideals instead of choosing freedom?
First, I am not a "special specimen", I am just a regular soldier. Second, being or choosing to be a slave is against the law in the State, and I am not a criminal. And third, freedom is the most disgusting concept human mind has developed.
Those, who want freedom can just land on some indigenous planet, leave all their possessions and clothes behind, and run into woods naked to live with animals like an animal.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4264
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:48:50 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote: Often enough Mr. Tuulinen, I find that though I may not always agree with your opinions, I can at least respect your wisdom and can see your point of view.
However, where it concerns Black Rise, the political landscape, and your apparent view of the people living and breathing on the worlds that make up the cluster, I can find nothing to respect.
I'd like to think you can still respect someone who's wrong about something.
I spent a year fighting in Black RIse, during which time I converted a lot of FDU frigates, destroyers and cruisers into expensive debris and their crews to frozen meat. During my service the warzone pendulum'd from us controlling most of it to them controlling damn near all of it. Nothing changed at either extreme or at any middle point in the process. With the benefit of hindsight, I realise that my motivation for the work I put in was hatred of the Federation because of Home, stoked by effective political officers and redirected to the FDU.
Now I'm curious. You apparently have no respect for my view of ANYONE in the cluster? I'm not one of these nihilistic people who hates all life. My thoughts on people are generally fairly mainstream and middle of the road - so your statement has confused me.
Can you explain why I'm not only wrong about Black RIse, Politics and all human life in the cluster but apparently SO wrong I've lost your respect?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
91
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Posted - 2014.12.01 17:04:14 -
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I think Mr. Tuulinen (and Ms. Maxwell is free to correct me if I'm wrong) that while you may not be nihilistic inherently, your viewpoint on Black Rise (which includes it's colonies and people) is in fact nihilistic. The approach that the state of the region is either pointless or hopeless and as such simply not worth the effort is of cold comfort to the population living there. That being said the toll on our baseliner crew weights equally on my mind and I find myself deeply conflicted on the matter.
Again, Ms. Maxwell. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sincerely -K |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4265
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Posted - 2014.12.01 17:26:09 -
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It was my understanding that there WAS virtually no population there.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
204
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:46:01 -
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My apologies, I used the term "cluster" to refer to the Black Rise region when I had forgotten, in common vernacular, it is used to describe the whole of civilized space. Forgive me that, if you will.
Indeed, Ms. Amsel, you are right. There are most definitely people living in the Rise, whether they came from outside or were born from people already inhabiting those worlds. Samanuni, Ichoriya, Onnamon, all have large populations of colonists and foreigners making their lives in the area. And that's not even considering the scattered planets whom hold native populations from before the Gallente or Caldari found a way to traverse the spacial anomalies.
The system where I was born is under constant threat of attack and occupation from the Federation. The first time they occupied my homeworld, when they left due to military pressure from the Caldari Navy, they destroyed as much infrastructure and production facilities as they could, almost crippling a world with already low resources and population. It took years to rebuild. I am a part of the Protectorate because I wish to try and prevent this from happening again. Not from a desire to see the Federation destroyed.
I still respect you. But as they stand now, I can not respect your views about [i]my[/i[ Home. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4266
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:55:14 -
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First of all, my profound sympathies regarding what happened to your planet. I'd like to think that such 'Scorched Earth' strategies simply do not happen anymore but the sad truth is that they were all too common during my period of service there. I've been on both ends of this, too, both moving into a system where the smoke is still rising into the upper atmosphere and also carrying out 'asset denial' operations - even as our orbital fell.
Fortunately Ichoriya and Samanuni are not within the CEWPA area and can no longer be lost (although raids do happen, from time to time). I used Ichoriya as a logistics store for much of my time.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
205
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Posted - 2014.12.02 14:56:33 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:First of all, my profound sympathies regarding what happened to your planet. I'd like to think that such 'Scorched Earth' strategies simply do not happen anymore but the sad truth is that they were all too common during my period of service there. I've been on both ends of this, too, both moving into a system where the smoke is still rising into the upper atmosphere and also carrying out 'asset denial' operations - even as our orbital fell.
Fortunately Ichoriya and Samanuni are not within the CEWPA area and can no longer be lost (although raids do happen, from time to time). I used Ichoriya as a logistics store for much of my time. I appreciate that.
Perhaps some day, the war will end, and large swaths of the Rise will gain the protection of Concord and the Navy. But until that day comes, many will still need to lay down their lives. We may not be as numerous as the peoples caught between the Empire and the Republic, but we'll fight just as hard. |
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Nalena Linova
Project Kairos Dei-Telum
6
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Posted - 2014.12.02 15:44:04 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It was my understanding that there WAS virtually no population there.
YC111 saw a number of major investment and colonisation efforts in Black Rise by Kaalakiota, Lai Dai and Wiyrkomi. Since then 5 years of war have reduced population numbers substantially, however the State Protectorate is responsible for the protection of a number of colonies in the region. We are also aware of the existence of unregistered colonies operating outside the jurisdiction of corporate authorities.
Indeed, if our data is accurate, the recent increase in capsuleer-led investment in planetary manufacturing has brought a small increase in immigration to the region, even in systems on the front lines of the conflict.
As long as there are Caldari citizens living and working in Black Rise, it is the duty of all State Protectorate pilots to fight for their protection, and we shall continue to do so. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1841
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:16:05 -
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Whilst the final Amarrian victory over the Shakorites is inevitable, I am sure that the tides of war will ebb and flow many more times before that day.
Having said that...
Amarr Victor.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5048
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Posted - 2014.12.02 19:00:36 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Whilst the final Amarrian victory over the Shakorites is inevitable. Given that his war is, by design, explicitly unwinnable, I wouldn't hold your breath.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
39
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Posted - 2014.12.02 20:33:51 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Whilst the final Amarrian victory over the Shakorites is inevitable. Given that his war is, by design, explicitly unwinnable, I wouldn't hold your breath.
"There will be water if God wills it." |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4272
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Posted - 2014.12.02 21:47:05 -
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Soren Tyrhanos wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Whilst the final Amarrian victory over the Shakorites is inevitable. Given that his war is, by design, explicitly unwinnable, I wouldn't hold your breath. "There will be water if God wills it."
God helps those who help themselves.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
120
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Posted - 2014.12.02 23:10:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Soren Tyrhanos wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Whilst the final Amarrian victory over the Shakorites is inevitable. Given that his war is, by design, explicitly unwinnable, I wouldn't hold your breath. "There will be water if God wills it." God helps those who help themselves. We will win
You can't win
We will win
You can't win
We will win
You can't win
This has been Tyrel Toov, summing up the conversation thus far. Back to Sam at the studio...
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works The Blacklist.
61
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Posted - 2014.12.05 18:25:01 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Soren Tyrhanos wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Whilst the final Amarrian victory over the Shakorites is inevitable. Given that his war is, by design, explicitly unwinnable, I wouldn't hold your breath. "There will be water if God wills it." God helps those who help themselves. We will win You can't win We will win You can't win We will win You can't win This has been Tyrel Toov, summing up the conversation thus far. Back to Sam at the studio...
Yep pretty much, my little medal in a drawer from helping capture all the caldari sytems is just further proof the systems change every year or so.
I wouldn't gloat too hard with conquering this system.
On the topic of people saying scope works left Huola because of the Amarr that wasn't and isn't true. We have engaged the Amarr while moving to our new location; and honestly they are horrid pilots and do not warrant staying to fight. The other night some tried to seemingly slow boat a megathron into a medium complex...and when the fleet warped off they left members to a drive by with our blasters. Poor pilot Gorp.
Huola was nothing but a staging ground where we actually helped Amarr stop Minmatar gate camps going after new pilots and industrials but no one remembers that stage nor how Amarr pulled the same thing the Minmatar recently did, the forsaking of our help.
The main reason for us moving is the removing scope works from their fleet actions and their channels; leading some of their members to be absorbed by our forces searching for a better home and we found one in a new system. A place where we can put roots and harvest materials to grow even larger beyond the former fleet compositions. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
710
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Posted - 2014.12.05 21:41:20 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:...in a new system. A place where we can put roots and harvest materials to grow even larger beyond the former fleet compositions.
Are you mining?
-Eran
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
106
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Posted - 2014.12.05 22:16:55 -
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I hope not.... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4284
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Posted - 2014.12.06 00:17:36 -
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Be honest, Liuni... You guys never joined the militia and you wound up shooting a bunch of blues didn't you? Didn't you?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
125
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Posted - 2014.12.06 00:45:29 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Be honest, Liuni... You guys never joined the militia and you wound up shooting a bunch of blues didn't you? Didn't you? Am I blue? Am I blue? Ain't these tears in my eye tellin' you? Am I blue? You would be too, if every plan you had done fell through....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Anslo
Scope Works The Blacklist.
23729
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:08:27 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Be honest, Liuni... You guys never joined the militia and you wound up shooting a bunch of blues didn't you? Didn't you? We shoot all our blues because were bad.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
107
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:09:48 -
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Anslo wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Be honest, Liuni... You guys never joined the militia and you wound up shooting a bunch of blues didn't you? Didn't you? We shoot all our blues because were bad.
I don't remember shooting any blues... |
Anslo
Scope Works The Blacklist.
23729
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:15:00 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Anslo wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Be honest, Liuni... You guys never joined the militia and you wound up shooting a bunch of blues didn't you? Didn't you? We shoot all our blues because were bad. I don't remember shooting any blues... It was for the good of Minmatar. Except for Ushra. They suck. See there were a couple of suspects on the Kourmonen gate.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
107
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:31:43 -
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uh........... I'm not gonna ask any questions............. suspect Ushra members........ uh....... [puts fingers in ears] LALALALA! |
Anslo
Scope Works The Blacklist.
23729
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:38:26 -
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We sent out some cruisers but it turned out to be bait.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
109
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:55:08 -
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LALA I can't hear you! |
Anslo
Scope Works The Blacklist.
23729
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Posted - 2014.12.06 02:57:22 -
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THEN THE CYNO GOT POPPED AND THE PL SUPERS DROPPED
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
126
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Posted - 2014.12.06 03:07:16 -
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Anslo wrote:THEN THE CYNO GOT POPPED AND THE PL SUPERS DROPPED Those rascily PL supers, always dropping in the most unexpected places.... and in all the expected ones... and most of the ones we suspect but are unsure of.... Hell, PL drops everywhere.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works The Blacklist.
109
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Posted - 2014.12.06 03:12:36 -
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NOOOOO ! |
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