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Miss Overlord
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Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:01:00 -
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i agree anyone new joining teh gang existing gang members should be warned - this is a clear exploit but given the existing problems going on atm unlikley to be fixed (if its in a noob corp) dont gang with it
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Miss Overlord
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Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:04:00 -
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then again apparetnly using an AFK macro is illegal but if youre at the keyboard and able to respond then macro use isnt illegal (or so ive heard)
Thats why half the macros remain in game CCP cant prove it
So really theres a lot of things that aint right but this gang issue is a low priority youre friend should have been happy for some insta PVP
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Miss Overlord
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Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 07:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Hakera
ironically, the original changes to gangs and wars etc were brought in because of exactly this situation. A hostile corp you were at war with, would often have out of corp mates in gang who would be able to attack you the second you attacked him, you would be none the wise beforehand of these apparant neutrals.
Linkage
Good everyone off to jita will mean no more suicide ganks (well for t2 BPOs) otherwise should be fun might empty the system out and a good anti macro miner tool as they also accept gang invites for some reason
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: SurfinSeaOtter
Or here's a way to avoid it... dont gang up with peopel outside your corp unless they allies 
CCP are going to take a while to fix this and it hasnt been declared an exploit and even then petitions are so far behind no one would get any response anywya, so i do encourage everyone to use this tactic even if to teach this lame noob corpers to get their buts into a player corp and or not to accept gang invites from peeps they dont trust
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rochel Hakiri
if this happends to me, i would accept the gang invite. (knowing of this *tactic*) and when i saw them warping to me and starting to shoot I quickly leave the gang and watch them being concorked, grabbing their loot and started to smack in local..
never tried this, but it should be possible (?)
theres 30 seconds between entering the gang and being able to leave if u can tank em for 30 seconds then i belive u can leave and might be able to get em concorded.
Its a valid counter tactic if u want to try it head to jita or oursuleart where (combined) is the character using this shall we say loophole that happens to be legal ingame atm
Its a bit like the afk macro miners being banned but those at the keybaord able to respond to GM convo requests that are left because it cant be proved conclusivley despite them being logged in 23-7 for the past month non stop that they are using macro bots
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tito Taneki
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
If you do the reading thing you'll see the warning. Reading 4tw.
Ok, you are right.
But the point is that the victim gets aggressed, before he has time to check, who got invited. This mechanics is then abused to setup a trap that makes use of a weakness of the gang-and-warfare rules. It's similar to login-logout-tactics, which also abuse a weakness or a hole that can't be eliminated easily.
So the only work-around is to NEVER except gangs from gang-leaders you don't know. Simple. Fair enough, but bad for newbies.
Personally it doesn't hurt me, because I usually only accept gang from people I know, because there is no reason for an older player in 0.0 to gang with 'randoms'.
newbies more readily going itno player corps when invited instead of staying put - also how does this relate to factional warfare - that will eb a big point to consider something needs fixing tho
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa
Originally by: lofty29
An exploit is something that cannot be avoided. This can be avoided, quite easily.
Sorry, but that's not the definition of an exploit.
An exploit by definition is the use of ingame mechanics to obtain a result, other than that intended by the devs, for own gain.
at this time the devs have cleared its use until that is declared invalid then yeah i think he should be able to use it and as many copy cats as possible might speed CCPs reaction up same thing as soon as its declared an exploit then ill stop informing ppl about it
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Extract from logs
Yes, it does say that, but I have written confirmation from a GM that I am allowed to continue to use this method. I received it back in about april, after being petitioned for the first time. I was warned, and when I asked what the problem was with using it, the warning was retracted and I was allowed to use this method. Once CCP declares it an exploit, I will cease use.
well it seems now that u advertised it there has been at least 6 different busy systems today where i have been ganged of course ive ignored them and blocked them but until we have a dev stand up in the forums apply a sticky and say its an exploit until we are working on a fix then it remains vaiale - should work to empty some of those lagged out 200 ppl in local systems tho
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