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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:27:00 -
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KIA ceases War activities on the Providence entities.
Last night KIAs 3 week contract on CVA came to an end.
This contract has been the toughest contract KIA has ever had, and that includes the failed BoB contract.
I would like to start this summary of the Campaign in providence with an honest appraisal of KIAs performance and CVA's ability.
CVA proved to be every bit adept at warfare as any of the entities that were sided against them. They fought hard, never gave away easy kills, and trapped and baited all day every day, for a mercenary corp, they were the ultimate nightmare. KIA has never had to work so hard for kills, and work hard we did. From the 3 major battles of the campaign, KIA took heavy tech 2 losses, winning only 1 of those engagements, and losing heavily in the other 2. CVA had our number and with the jamming capabilities of their gangs, taught us very quickly to not underestimate them.
My congratz goes out to CVA, they will be around for a long time yet, and if the 30 or so hardcore PvP pilots that live in Providence right now stick around, it will be a good foundation to re grow their carebearing and industrial wings once again within their homes.
Shortly after the contract started, NOS were added to the primary target list by our employer, they were living in the pockets of CVA, present at a lot of battles, and ever present in the entry systems of Mamet and Misaba. KIA engaged wherever we found them, but decided against a war declaration, forcing them to bring the fight to us in 0.0, a tactic that served us very well.
We hardly saw PIE, and my address book barely showed more than a handful of them online at any time, and despite extensive agent searches and despatched gank groups, we scored very little in the way of kills vs these guys, and they scored virtually nothing against us.
So to the figures.
CVA - Combat Breakdown
Ship class Kills ISK (M) Losses ISK (M)
Assault frigate 6 90 4 60
Battlecruiser 3 60 0 0
Battleship 16 560 12 420
Capsule 29 145 9 45
Carrier 0 0 0 0
Command ship 3 540 0 0
Covert ops 0 0 0 0
Cruiser 10 30 4 12
Destroyer 1 0.8 0 0
Dreadnought 0 0 0 0
Exhumer 0 0 0 0
Freighter 0 0 0 0
Frigate 15 3 1 0.2
Heavy assault 5 400 8 640
Industrial 0 0 0 0
Interceptor 10 100 17 170
Interdictor 4 80 0 0
Logistics 0 0 0 0
Mining barge 0 0 0 0
Mothership 0 0 0 0
Recon ship 5 500 5 500
Shuttle 2 0.02 1 0.01
Titan 0 0 0 0
Transport 0 0 0 0
Totals: Kills:110 2508.82M Losses:61 1847.21M
Efficiency: 57.59%
NOS
Ship class Kills ISK (M) Losses ISK (M)
Assault frigate 3 45 0 0
Battlecruiser 4 80 0 0
Battleship 9 315 2 70
Capsule 39 195 1 5
Carrier 0 0 0 0
Command ship 0 0 0 0
Covert ops 2 30 0 0
Cruiser 11 33 0 0
Destroyer 1 0.8 0 0
Dreadnought 0 0 0 0
Exhumer 0 0 0 0
Freighter 0 0 0 0
Frigate 6 1.2 0 0
Heavy assault 1 80 5 400
Industrial 13 6.5 0 0
Interceptor 2 20 5 50
Interdictor 0 0 0 0
Logistics 0 0 0 0
Mining barge 0 0 0 0
Mothership 0 0 0 0
Recon ship 2 200 1 100
Shuttle 8 0.08 0 0
Titan 0 0 0 0
Transport 0 0 0 0
Totals: Kills:101 1006.58M Losses:14 625M
Efficiency: 61.69%
PIE Inc.
Ship class Kills ISK (M) Losses ISK (M)
Assault frigate 0 0 0 0
Battlecruiser 2 40 0 0
Battleship 4 140 2 70
Capsule 4 20 0 0
Carrier 0 0 0 0
Command ship 1 180 0 0
Covert ops 0 0 0 0
Cruiser 3 9 0 0
Destroyer 0 0 0 0
Dreadnought 0 0 0 0
Exhumer 0 0 0 0
Freighter 0 0 0 0
Frigate 0 0 0 0
Heavy assault 0 0 0 0
Industrial 0 0 0 0
Interceptor 1 10 0 0
Interdictor 0 0 0 0
Logistics 0 0 0 0
Mining barge 0 0 0 0
Mothership 0 0 0 0
Recon ship 0 0 0 0
Shuttle 0 0 0 0
Titan 0 0 0 0
Transport 0 0 0 0
Totals: Kills:15 399M Losses:2 70M
Efficiency: 85.07%
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:28:00 -
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Now to the overall Contract stats. Because of the overlap of kills from the differing entities, the overall stats paint a far better picture of KIAs performance.
Contract - CVA/NOS/Pie Inc 2006-08-12 Kills:226 3914.38 Losses:64 1877.208 Efficiency:67.59%
We very very rarely were in combat with any other entity as allies, we engaged mostly alone, and in fact a failed attempt at teamwork with Blood Inquisition cost KIA 6 Hacs and 2 Recons in a single battle, with fingers burnt we operated alone for I would say about 95%+ of the contract. CVA when in blob mode were nearly always backed up by NOS or Aegis, and KIA found the numbers the largest part if this contracts challenge. They were organised and quick to mobilise, a very scary proposition for a force like KIA.
The secondary contract goal was to engage CVA friendly entities in Providence, we did this whenever possible, KIA regularly setup long term gate camps at the entry points to Providence, allowing only the Employers Blue List to pass safely, we hunted in all the main Providence NPCing/Complex and Mining systems, we gave no one rest, and maintained a very high level and overt presence, I am sure the residents will be glad to see the back of us
Over 6 Billion ISK of damage was done to the residents of Providence, with losses barley reaching the 200 million mark.
Overall a highly enjoyable 3 weeks in KIAs life, we dominated Providence space, but CVA were never going anywhere, we knew this from day 2, and again I would like to give my Props to the pilots that hold that space, gf.
Antireal, IOU 1 podding ;)
xx
KIA are available for contract from 13/9/06, please contact me in game for tender.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:37:00 -
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Not excatly a brilliant result.
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merc999
Caldari
Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:01:00 -
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Congrats 
A Merc corps needs not only to proclaim its victories, but also within less succesful campaigns, acknowledge its weakeness's, evaluate them and try to compensate for them on its next contract.
If I was hiring a merc corps I would be extemely wary of those who only ever make public its uber contracts and results, I want a corp that acknowledges that no corp is perfect, and that learns from its mistakes and weakness's.
KIA's appraisal of its campaign is brutally honest, it tells me that this corp is one that will take its lessons and put them to good use next time.
MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV
Keeping Empire and Syndicate ship builders in business |
Smithers
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:04:00 -
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Command ship 3 540
Heavy assault 5 400
How does that work then?
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:05:00 -
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 Originally by: merc999
Congrats
A Merc corps needs not only to proclaim its victories, but also within less succesful campaigns, acknowledge its weakeness's, evaluate them and try to compensate for them on its next contract.
If I was hiring a merc corps I would be extemely wary of those who only ever make public its uber contracts and results, I want a corp that acknowledges that no corp is perfect, and that learns from its mistakes and weakness's.
KIA's appraisal of its campaign is brutally honest, it tells me that this corp is one that will take its lessons and put them to good use next time.
I have to agree; your publicizing of less than fantastic results speaks in your favor KIA, it shows respect for your enemies and knowledge of your own weaknesses. Best of luck in your next contracts.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Smithers
Command ship 3 540
Heavy assault 5 400
How does that work then?
Maybe 3x Eos, Astarte or whatever popular Command ship and 5x Sacrilege? That'd make sense.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:11:00 -
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Respect to honest dispaly , frankly i am sick of seeing " OMGWEWTFBBQED THEM NUBLETS" kinda of posts so this is a class one , Good job KIA and eddz.
PS:TJ is a nublet 
"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:13:00 -
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The Killboard is a very widely used one, and that is its own Calcs, it assigns 100 Mill to a HAC loss and 180 to a Command Ship loss.
www.kia-corp.co.uk Link to our killboard is on that homepage.
KIA Piccys
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Smithers
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
The Killboard is a very widely used one, and that is its own Calcs, it assigns 100 Mill to a HAC loss and 180 to a Command Ship loss.
www.kia-corp.co.uk Link to our killboard is on that homepage.
80mil hac
100mil recon
180mil command ship
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Mr Happ
Gallente
Hellbound Saints
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Not excatly a brilliant result.
Well tbh most of us don't fit stabs and run at the slightest chance we mite lose a fight, unlike yourself
Good results and props to KIA for such a bold post
Respect
We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
The Killboard is a very widely used one, and that is its own Calcs, it assigns 100 Mill to a HAC loss and 180 to a Command Ship loss.
Which is whacked TBH. This is one of the reasons I plan to use tonnage as another option for the new MC killboard. I have three command ship BPOs, including the awesome Astarte, and would kill to get 180m for any one of them. 
As for the contract, excellent work on the write-up Eddz. It's good to know there are marks out there who don't run down the rabbit hole at the first sign of trouble. I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future. 
Congrats to CVA for holding your ground against such odds.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 04/09/2006 11:26:29
Please do not turn this into a discussion of the Eve-killboard.net killboard, its developers and owners decide on its machinations.
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Please do not turn this into a discussion of the Eve-killboard.net killboard, its developers and owners decide on its machinations and KIA think it is head and shoulders above most of its competition.
We also use the same killboard, and it's really good and rig0r offers great service.
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Pylse
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:31:00 -
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Sounds like you had a lot of nice fights and fun mate.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
The Killboard is a very widely used one, and that is its own Calcs, it assigns 100 Mill to a HAC loss and 180 to a Command Ship loss.
www.kia-corp.co.uk Link to our killboard is on that homepage.
FYI, the link to your killboard appears to be broken, at least for me.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
FYI, the link to your killboard appears to be broken, at least for me.
Works fine for me...
KIA Piccys
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
FYI, the link to your killboard appears to be broken, at least for me.
Works fine for me...
Check the link on the sidebar, it points to www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard instead of your new one it seems. The top link works.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Please do not turn this into a discussion of the Eve-killboard.net killboard, its developers and owners decide on its machinations and KIA think it is head and shoulders above most of its competition.
We also use the same killboard, and it's really good and rig0r offers great service.
Agreed. I like the killboard, and rig0r, and meant no insult. My comment wasn't about the killboard so much as it was about the reporting of ISK damages. The widely fluctuating market values on almost everything in the game (a Cerb kill is worth 100m?), combined with the glut of ISK in EVE atm, make the amounts posted by anyone subject to debate in terms of how much actual 'damage' was done. I prefer to leave that door firmly shut these days is all. 
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:42:00 -
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Nice going kia and gl in the future
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:42:00 -
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Congrats to both sides and to eddz on an honest appraisal of the contract.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Happ
Originally by: Shin Ra
Not excatly a brilliant result.
Well tbh most of us don't fit stabs and run at the slightest chance we mite lose a fight, unlike yourself
Good results and props to KIA for such a bold post
Respect
Wait till you fight us yourself before you smack us.
You might just discover, than forum warriors usually have a skewed opinion of us which should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Mr Happ
Originally by: Shin Ra
Not excatly a brilliant result.
Well tbh most of us don't fit stabs and run at the slightest chance we mite lose a fight, unlike yourself
Good results and props to KIA for such a bold post
Respect
Wait till you fight us yourself before you smack us.
You might just discover, than forum warriors usually have a skewed opinion of us which should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Do u actualy belive that he fights to begin with ?
"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Mr Happ
Originally by: Shin Ra
Not excatly a brilliant result.
Well tbh most of us don't fit stabs and run at the slightest chance we mite lose a fight, unlike yourself
Good results and props to KIA for such a bold post
Respect
Wait till you fight us yourself before you smack us.
You might just discover, than forum warriors usually have a skewed opinion of us which should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Do u actualy belive that he fights to begin with ?
Very few people choose to fight us.
That being said, I have no idea who he is anyway....
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.04 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
That being said, I have no idea who he is anyway....
its best to keep it like that
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.04 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
FYI, the link to your killboard appears to be broken, at least for me.
Works fine for me...
it cant be as your homepage links to a diff location thenwhat you think its referring to or somehting like that as the link there it referring to a location on the same website and not to a outsourced one
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 12:05:00 -
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Regarding the lack of involvement from PIE, we are a smallish corp and were mostly based outside of your primary theatre of operation, so the lack of large engagements is not entirely surprising.
Congratulations on killing my Damnation by the way. I thought for a while that I was going to survive, but alas it was not to be.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.04 12:44:00 -
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Dont touch my buddy Rigor, he is a good boy 
Ex dsma in a corp filled with ex Fixians... Don¦t worry, i hold my head high and smack back :P |
Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:00:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Seleene
I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future.
That might come sooner than expected .
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 13:04:00 -
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Ill contest the comment that you "dominated" Providence. While you scored alot of kills there with roaming Inty/Nanovaga gangs (most of them being outside of CVA space) you cannot dominate space with such a force. Anyone who goes into 0.0 looking to kill anything that moves in such ships is going to get a large amount of kills for virtually no loses, such is the mechanics of EVE.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future.
We should start charging for our tactical evaluation services. 
I, too, would contest the "domination" of Providence by KIA...though they certainly did come and go more or less as they pleased in maddeningly fast ships which is a domination of sorts. Other than that...lots of "pew pew" as they say and a favorable efficiency rating for KIA. CVA had an obvious distaste for the choice of tactics, but no smack in-game and a nice write up by Eddz here.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future.
It'd have to be a single MC corporation, to be fair, but it'd certainly be interesting to see...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Seleene
I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future.
That might come sooner than expected .
That all depends on how soon it's expected.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Wait till you fight us yourself before you smack us.
Ditto... and touche.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 15:05:00 -
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Of all the mercenary corporations in eve, the only one not in MC that is skilled enough to be is KIA. Good job guys. Bawk!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler |
Redwolf
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
...but no smack in-game....
Are you forgetting Tjakka?
Originally by: HippoKing
Who cares if the game is coming up. Forums are back \o/
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Shin Ra
Wait till you fight us yourself before you smack us.
Ditto... and touche.
All I said was it was hardly brilliant. I think you'll agree, you usually do better.
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H Zub
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Of all the mercenary corporations in eve, the only one not in MC that is skilled enough to be is KIA. Good job guys. Bawk!
Hmm.. no comment..
The Hunter
Hypnotized
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Majaraw Awalabas
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:53:00 -
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Attention span of a butterfly.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 16:55:00 -
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Fair write up by Eddz - there are a few points I could disagree with but that would be nitpicking so I wont.
However, I will add one final note.
The CVA does not take old enemies off our KOS lists (whether they are hired mercs, local pirates or Minmatar terrorists) unless our diplomats are contacted, apologies given and reparations paid.
We do not believe in consequence free wars and forgiveness is not an Amarrian trait.
Of course this does mean we have pretty long KOS lists - but heh that's life!
If you wish to avoid future hostilities with CVA stay out of our space and if not then I guess we will see you around
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: H Zub
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Of all the mercenary corporations in eve, the only one not in MC that is skilled enough to be is KIA. Good job guys. Bawk!
Hmm.. no comment..
Chiken is forgetful, I blame all the pot ;)
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Lord Krellin
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Krellin on 04/09/2006 17:21:40
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:30:00 -
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Hardin.
I understand your KOS policy, and we had absolutely no intention of visting Providence again unless we are again contracted vs U, which is unlikely.
But one of your pilots decided to pirate my afk hauler in a 0.4 system.
This is personal, and tbh not what I expected.
Your choice though, but we do not believe in consequence free aggression either.
We will be using Providence for a hunting ground whenever we feel like it from here on in, you made your poistion very clear, and we will honour your belief system to the full.
This war was simply business, our gank sqads will make you wish you'd kept it that way.
You know where I am in game if you want to talk.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Solusar on 04/09/2006 17:44:53
Edited by: Solusar on 04/09/2006 17:44:11
You were told you would be KOS before after the war ended and you yourself said that was fine. Now the war is over and we arnt backing off what did you expect. Such professionalism.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=376937&page=3#71
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:45:00 -
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KIAEddz,
Can I please refer you to this thread where Sidyous pointed out that you would remain KOS to us and indeed you stated that:
'We are already kos to you sir.'
Your hauler was in a 0.4 system. You are KOS and indeed have just persecuted a war against us - therefore your hauler was a legitimate war target as are any KIA we come across in low sec space in future.
If you want to make Providence your hunting ground then we shall treat you in exactly the same way that we treat TSBS, The Priory and all other pirates who try and make a living in Deliverance space.
Good day...
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:46:00 -
[46]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 04/09/2006 17:47:26
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Silverbullet
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:48:00 -
[47]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
But one of your pilots decided to pirate my afk hauler in a 0.4 system.
Being on a KOS list, means you¦re KOS everywhere, not just 0.0 
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J909
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 17:51:00 -
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I would like to /salute CVA & Pie and friends was much fun.
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
There is no such thing as consequence free aggression.... a lesson your quick to point out but slow to learn it seems....
I'm sure CVA is more than aware of the consequnces of what we shoot.
That said, good luck in your future endeavours.
Originally by: HippoKing
Who cares if the game is coming up. Forums are back \o/
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Hardin, we are honourable pilots, in your claimed space I would expect you to set us to KIA, but in low sec?
We would of never visited Prov again out of contract, respected your entity, this is the norm for us, you are already reset to Neutral which means in 0.0 you are not engaged unless in our theatre of campaign.
Your act of piracy, is a clear sign that you wish different treatment. There is no such thing as consequence free aggression.... a lesson your quick to point out but slow to learn it seems, maybe your allaince will continue to suffer because of your short sightedness.
When your pilots cry at another soft gank in your systems, then you can refer them to your policy of making wars personal.
Yes you are honourable pilots and I greatly admired your no smack attitude throughout this war.
I am sorry if you were under some misunderstanding as to our KOS policies but this is something that we have had in place for a long time now as our many enemies can testify.
I am sorry if you feel that we are making the war 'personal' however as I stated before we do not believe in consequence free wars which is why we have KOS lists as long as my arm.
It is our belief that merc corps have to accept that their profession is not a nice cosy one and that they can't walk away from every contract and simply forget about it.
The fact is that your pilots have been down here trying to create as much havoc as they can for the past three weeks and now you want to pretend that it never happened - well I am sorry but when someone tries to kill Amarrians we don't forget
I am sorry if you are upset at losing your hauler and feel that this was unacceptable however from our perspective it wasn't personal at all - just war...
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Alexander Rahl
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:05:00 -
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Somehow I still get amazed when KOS people moan about getting shot. KIA corp have been KOS well before this war started and KOS means we shoot you wherever and whenever we can in our sphere of influence. Low sec empire for some reason is in our sphere of influence.
Life has consequence, so if you cant stand the consequences of being a mercenary then I suggest you may need a new career.
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Fear is the mind killer. I must not Fear!!
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:29:00 -
[52]
I am not worried as to your KOS settings CVA, I am simply dissapointed that you have clearly shown us that walking away and leaving you alone to get on with your Eve lives, is not really an option.
That 1 kill (80 mill loss lol, so trust me no biggy), means that I feel obligated to show you that we do not accept aggrssion towards our pilots in Empire space.
Thank you again for a smack free and honourable war, we shall see you in your space and your pilots shall pay for your policy on empire KOS lists.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:34:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 04/09/2006 18:35:10
Geez, stop whining because he killed your hauler in low sec. Makes you look like a baby.
Amarr Victor! WTF am I saying.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:38:00 -
[54]
Agreed actually.
Sigh. Anyways. Gf CVA.
KIA Piccys
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Game Ruiner
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:39:00 -
[55]
TBH an afk hauler in any 0.4 space is surely a bad idea, recent war or not.
Woot im in a KIA thread 
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zincol
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:46:00 -
[56]
Originally by: H Zub
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Of all the mercenary corporations in eve, the only one not in MC that is skilled enough to be is KIA. Good job guys. Bawk!
Hmm.. no comment..
Hmm.. I agree..
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.04 18:49:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Seleene on 04/09/2006 18:49:12
Originally by: zincol
Originally by: H Zub
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Of all the mercenary corporations in eve, the only one not in MC that is skilled enough to be is KIA. Good job guys. Bawk!
Hmm.. no comment..
Hmm.. I agree..
I can think of a few with the skill / determination, but who is to say they would want to be a part of us?
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.04 19:54:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 04/09/2006 18:49:12
Originally by: zincol
Originally by: H Zub
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Of all the mercenary corporations in eve, the only one not in MC that is skilled enough to be is KIA. Good job guys. Bawk!
Hmm.. no comment..
Hmm.. I agree..
I can think of a few with the skill / determination, but who is to say they would want to be a part of us?
Hmm.. I agree..
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Koia Koia
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 19:56:00 -
[59]
Gf to CVA/PIE and friends! We had a blast! 
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Sarchez
Minmatar
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.04 20:37:00 -
[60]
Was nice to fight you guys again, it has been a very long time since last.
Some months ago, I would have expected this to happen, but under another banner
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hangovur
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.04 22:09:00 -
[61]
nice to see a professional and honest contract analysis.
stats arent incredible but considering KIA are a fairly small group, and dont stab ***** (perfectly within game mechanics but lame nonetheless), they are quite impressive stats. its cool to see a small group who will hit their target straight on even though it means their stats wont be uber.
GJ KIA.
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.04 22:09:00 -
[62]
"I can think of a few with the skill / determination, but who is to say they would want to be a part of us? "
You are talking about ISSN right?
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Der Pfaffe
Karnival of Death Squad
Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.09.04 22:22:00 -
[63]
Well he may wear pink hot-pants when he goes roller-blading... (he seriously does this in rl (photos exist... really... not a pretty sight)), but nobody can accuse him of not being honest. Great job guys.
Salutations to some of the "good guys" in EVE.
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Bloodst0ne
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.05 01:21:00 -
[64]
nicely done KIA.. and much respect Eddz.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.05 13:11:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower
Originally by: Seleene
I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future.
It'd have to be a single MC corporation, to be fair, but it'd certainly be interesting to see...
"Fair"... Fair? Hmmmmm... not ringing a bell to be honest. Just how big do you think MC is anyway?
Originally by: Hardin
I am sorry if you are upset at losing your hauler and feel that this was unacceptable however from our perspective it wasn't personal at all - just war...
Hardin, while I understand your point about CVA / PIE's KOS policy, I gotta say that shooting a KIA hauler in low sec as a way of pursuing that policy was a bit... ill advised? Odd? Lame? Take your pick. If you wanna shoot at someone in secure space, even low sec, why not declare an official war through CONCORD? Then you've got a 'war', m8.
Originally by: Alexander Rahl
Life has consequence, so if you cant stand the consequences of being a mercenary then I suggest you may need a new career.
All respect to CVA, but I've seen this one before and the 'consequences' never really amount to anything in the long term other than bored mercs going on a 'road trip' and getting a 10-1 kill ratio against the people making the statement.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 13:28:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/09/2006 13:28:22
Originally by: Seleene
Hardin, while I understand your point about CVA / PIE's KOS policy, I gotta say that shooting a KIA hauler in low sec as a way of pursuing that policy was a bit... ill advised? Odd? Lame? Take your pick. If you wanna shoot at someone in secure space, even low sec, why not declare an official war through CONCORD? Then you've got a 'war', m8. ...
...All respect to CVA, but I've seen this one before and the 'consequences' never really amount to anything in the long term other than bored mercs going on a 'road trip' and getting a 10-1 kill ratio against the people making the statement.
A KOS policy seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me, and a possible deterrent to future mercenaries who might find themselves next on the "to hire" list.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 13:40:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Seleene
Hardin, while I understand your point about CVA / PIE's KOS policy, I gotta say that shooting a KIA hauler in low sec as a way of pursuing that policy was a bit... ill advised? Odd? Lame? Take your pick.
I prefer "proud." Remember that we roleplay an Amarrian paramilitary. Take typical Amarrian pride and take it to an appropriate paramilitarist extreme. One of these days it'll cost us our assets in Providence...but when it does, it will be due to our uncompromising commitment to roleplay. Everybody in CVA acknowledges and accepts this.
Originally by: Seleene
If you wanna shoot at someone in secure space, even low sec, why not declare an official war through CONCORD? Then you've got a 'war', m8.
Going back to the roleplay theme...an enemy is an enemy. KIA did not hesitate to fire on "neutrals" in 0.0 without a war, why should we hesitate to fire on KIA without a war? That we are willing to bite the sec hit is merely an indication of zeal
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:10:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
A KOS policy seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me, and a possible deterrent to future mercenaries who might find themselves next on the "to hire" list.
Rod.
Seleenes point is the same as mine.
You are a soft bellied entity, very very vulnerable to fast moving gank squads which just appear in your systems, not leaving time for your PvPers to react, that is every alliances weakness.
KIA in its recent contract hit you force on, took on your PvPers, this is what we were asked to do. We pretty much camped your R3 entry point as much as we could, we took you on exactly as we were requested to do so by our employers, face to face.
We could of skunked around all day looking for Carebears etc, but we chose to only do this when there was nothing much going on in the main systems, or when your blob was too big.
KIA as a whole do a job then get out. Standings are reset, and especially in a contract like this one where you fought honourable and with valour, we leave you to get on with it and in fact wish you the best.
Ganking our pilots in Low Sec has only one response, we will come to providence, and take from your pilots a few ships here n there, you ask your pilots when they lose their 3rd NPCing raven that week to a Vaga gang wether they think it was worth shooting at a Hauler in a 0.4 system, or wether you should of bitten the bullet and let the merc corp walk away from you wishing you the very best and hoping you stay strong.
Your KOS doesnt bother us, in your space we understand, but if you are going to shoot my pilots in Low Sec, then you will pay 10 x over for that.
I dont care about the hauler, i dont care about the 70mill, its simply a principal, we left that day, no CVA pilots were engaged, we didnt enter your claimed 0.0 space, we didnt engage your pilots we saw in low sec...
I didnt want this to sound like a whine, it was only a hauler after all, but I didnt want you running to the forums with how we are piratin in your space on every KIA thread going forward, it is now publically known why, your our new sparring partners, except youll be in a fat suit and well be on amphetamines :P xx
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
but I didnt want you running to the forums with how we are piratin in your space on every KIA thread going forward
Well that's silly. Can't think of a time when the CVA has ever publicly complained about piracy in our space. We don't complain when BoB does, when LV does, when Penetrate does, when Outbreak does, when TSDS or Priory or anyone else does. We handle it as best we can and warn locals appropriately.
If it weren't for the steady stream of raiders into our space, we'd be a bit bored now wouldn't we?
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NurAbSal
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:25:00 -
[70]
Eddz... "CVA space" exist only on EvE map... For CVA members CVA space is part of Holy Amarr Empire - thats why we are hunting pirates and enemies not only in Providence, but also in lower Domain... So there is no "low-sec ganks" for us...
CVA member wont attack you if in low sec let say in Galleante Federation - we arent here to protect this space... But in low sec Amarr space KOS pilot is still KOS pilot... We treat those as enemies of the Empire - anyone who is shooting true servants of the Empire as CVA, are for sure enemies of Amarr Empire, dont you agree?...
I am dedicated miner...
I mine everyday - with my Tachyons...
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:29:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Solusar on 05/09/2006 15:34:25
Its such a shame your clearly have no idea what CVA stands for and how we do things Eddz.
Originally by: KIAEddZ
We could of skunked around all day looking for Carebears etc, but we chose to only do this when there was nothing much going on in the main systems, or when your blob was too big.
That is precisely what you did do, of the three times you engaged our pvp'ers, well you yourself said what happened.
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Ganking our pilots in Low Sec has only one response, we will come to providence, and take from your pilots a few ships here n there, you ask your pilots when they lose their 3rd NPCing raven that week to a Vaga gang wether they think it was worth shooting at a Hauler in a 0.4 system, or wether you should of bitten the bullet and let the merc corp walk away from you wishing you the very best and hoping you stay strong.
The majority of CVA's pvp happens in low sec, to us the Amarr Empire is our primary mandate to defend. Our expansion into providence is a secondary concern, brought on mainly by the complete lack of story arcs from CCP. If you think you are going to find lots of CVA to gank in Providence, good luck with that.
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Your KOS doesnt bother us, in your space we understand, but if you are going to shoot my pilots in Low Sec, then you will pay 10 x over for that.
It clearly does bother you, we shot at other KIA pilots after the war ended and none of them complained.
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I dont care about the hauler, i dont care about the 70mill, its simply a principal, we left that day, no CVA pilots were engaged, we didnt enter your claimed 0.0 space, we didnt engage your pilots we saw in low sec...
You dont care about the hauler but now you say CVA will pay because of it..... right.
CVA is not some soft bellied entity with hundreds of people NPC'ing providence for you to gank. We do not make our ISK in providence. We are working on creating an area in 0.0 for newer pilots to get their first experience of 0.0 without getting instantly ganked the second they go into the first chokepoint. We know one day one of the big 0.0 alliances/ MC will come and take our outpost, it is planned for and will have no effect on CVA as a whole.
Of all the mercenery corporations that have attacked us, every single one has come back to the area to try their hand at ganking people in Providence, so one more making a road trip here every now and then in stabbed out Vagabonds and crows really isnt going to make that much difference. For example Omnisient order are now back in Providence flying around in inty/vaga squads, it seems it is the norm these days.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:30:00 -
[72]
LoL Garreck, fair enough :)
Still think aggravating Merc Corps is the wrong way to go in general, unlike BoB Priory etc etc, Honourable Merc Corps are only an enemy if you choose them to be, but I understand more now your reasoning, and it makes kind of sense...
See you soon.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:32:00 -
[73]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 05/09/2006 15:35:08
Solusar.
I sense the smack is large in you....
Pity.
Just for the note, there is NO WAY KIA would of come back to Prov and ganked you at random after the contract finished, its simply not our style.
And also for the record, NO KIA ship ever has a stab on in combat. :)
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Al Haquis
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:43:00 -
[74]
Lol@ KIAeddz , i have to agree it¦s so lame that they should gank you hauler in low sec . My dear, my god the sky is falling.
Get down on the ground and be profesional and run your corp like a man. Your in the Merc buisness not some "we jump in we jump out and becouse we are uber duber mercs people have to apply other standards to us"
Cry me a river , your a man of war now act like it. And what in gods name was a hauler doing unescorted.
Props to my old enemys , trial of fire and you still here , your all still bastards and hope you die but good going guys.
With love from Al Haquis.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:45:00 -
[75]
No smack Eddz, just afew home truths for you. I shall look forward to seeing you in space.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:51:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Pestillence on 05/09/2006 15:54:30
Get over yourself Eddz.
"Boohoo you shot me after the contract ended. No fair!!1!!!!eleven!"
Can you really say it's unexpected behaviour?
*Edit, props to Hardin for not giving the mercs a "consequence free" war. I also just re-read Eddz's post, afk hauler in 0.4?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:54:00 -
[77]
LoL
I can feeeeeel the love.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:10:00 -
[78]
This is unbelieveable.
I can only advise KIA that in future they should read the game warning before entering low-sec space in an indy.
People get killed all the time in low-sec. I don't see why you are so special. Why you would knowingly put yourself in a position whereby you could be attacked in low-sec in beyond me. Morever, against people you have just been killing!?! Its stupidity on your part.
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Al Haquis
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:15:00 -
[79]
No you dont understand Shin Ra , It¦s Eddz double standard we should all respect.
With love from Al Haquis
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:16:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Garreck
Well that's silly. Can't think of a time when the CVA has ever publicly complained about piracy in our space. We don't complain when BoB does.
We dont pirate ppl , how do i put in ur terms ...
We purge the unholy.
Anhilate the heretics.
"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:18:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Solusar
We know one day one of the big 0.0 alliances/ MC will come and take our outpost,
Time for some no bull**** honesty: I'd frakkin love to go a round or three with CVA. That's no secret. Hell, all the goings-on of late have me and mine drooling at the thought of an enemy with real fangs. However...
If I'm going to send my men and women into the lion's den, someone is going to have to pay us to do it and do it properly. Someone capable of holding that outpost is going to take it over so it doesn't fall back into CVA hands or I'm going to melt it to slag (when that becomes an option). In a case like this, when the land changes hands or is burnt to the ground, that's a win.
This all assumes, of course, that CVA doesn't hand us our collective asses. 
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it is planned for and will have no effect on CVA as a whole.
Bah. Don't PLAN on losing the outpost. You should PLAN on slaughtering the infidels who try to take it... n' stuff.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:20:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
We dont pirate ppl , how do i put in ur terms ...
We purge the unholy.
Anhilate the heretics.
Touche!
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:22:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Reash on 05/09/2006 16:22:39
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Solusar
You should PLAN on slaughtering the infidels who try to take it... n' stuff.
You mis-understood, thats plan A, however we have never been under the dilusion that it would be easy to hold the outpost should an alliance with 5 times our numbers camp the area for a week.
That said, should an alliance take the outpost CVA would not leave the area....ever.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:57:00 -
[84]
Sigh
Reading back through my posts, it does look like I'm whining, and have distinct double stds, but the honest truth is I am just dissapointed we couldnt leave this war on reasonable terms. I didnt intend to "whine" or patronise, I guess I just see the Mercenary business different to some other Merc Corps and distinctly different some of the victim corps.
Lets not be fooled, KIA loves targets, we couldnt give 2 monkeys hoots that we are -10, wed be happy if the whole of fkin Eve set us to -10 and war decced us, but we like CVA, we liked what they stand for, and they gave us a great fight, we would of just like to been able to walk away and leave it at that.
"We are going to gank you whenever we see you in low sec", isnt reasonable terms that KIA can accept, thats all, its not summin we can walk away from, the aggression just became a little too personal.
Have it your way CVA, I 100% understand where your coming from, and respect your stance. As always you stick to your principals even if I dont quite see the sense in it.
As for the smack tards, Shin and the like, if you had an ounce of the class that entitys like CVA had, then youd get some respect, as it is I dont know anyone that thinks very much of you guys. Shame.
Cya in your space CVA, safe flights.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:29:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Shin Ra on 05/09/2006 17:28:51
Originally by: KIAEddZ
As for the smack tards, Shin and the like, if you had an ounce of the class that entitys like CVA had, then youd get some respect, as it is I dont know anyone that thinks very much of you guys. Shame.
We don't need to bull**** around by talking about class or respect. The fact is, in 3 weeks your 77 man corp killed less than our 15 man corp did in 1 week.
Now go and enjoy your respect. I'll be selling loot in Jita if you want to brag.
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zincol
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:33:00 -
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Eddz has a split personality or a split ego i cant really make it out yet...
But hey its great to see the old Kia flame fest threads are fully backi n action.
btw i think your a bit of a sore looser sometimes eddz but we all understand and still love you for who you are.
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:18:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Mr Happ
Originally by: Shin Ra
Not excatly a brilliant result.
Well tbh most of us don't fit stabs and run at the slightest chance we mite lose a fight, unlike yourself
Good results and props to KIA for such a bold post
Respect
Wait till you fight us yourself before you smack us.
You might just discover, than forum warriors usually have a skewed opinion of us which should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I have fought Burn Eden and what Mr Happ said is very close to being on target. Not so sure why you think it's skillful to warp in on a gate at 200km, gank a few newbies, and then warp out/log off when there is even a remote chance that someone might kill ya'll. Congrats on enganging in PvP that is a tad bit more exciting then shooting a PoS.
Looks like ya'll had some good fights KIA.
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Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:38:00 -
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Eddz, you're not a man of integrity, no matter how much you try to paint it for the others. Stop this "honorable" bull****, your talk doesn't make CVA any less honorable, nor does it it make you look more honorable.
Can't believe KIA is still getting contracts when they're showing this amount of unproffesionalism. On the forums as much as ingame...
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Agmamenon Exinferis
Caldari
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.09.05 22:53:00 -
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As part of one of the smaller local corps to Providence...I'd like to state the my experience with KIA has been an entertaining one. They did have an impact on us locals...some on their own, some as part of an ongoing campaign (as a result of coincidents, or a larger theme....this is not the place for that discussion) featuring elements of several corps/alliances over the last month or so.
Their pilots ARE indeed professional, and do not smack in local whatsoever in my experience. Kudos once again to the Omniscient Order pilots...they are among the more dangerous one can encounter and prove the point of quality over quantity.
CVA once again steps up and I suspect suprises quite a few who has followed this war with interest. There is something about these guys that makes them a hell of a lot more capable enemys than most other alliances their size.
NOS enters the battlefield and makes a name for them self in my humble opinion. Several well-led and executed operations.
On the theme of Merc's expecting "professionalism" after the war is finished from their wartargets....insanity -Anyone that falls victim of an enemy to weak or to cowardly to even publicly announce their hatred of their enemy, would be plain mad, and digging their own graves, if they were not to treat the Merc's as sworn enemys ever after. This is just one of these things Merc's need to adjust their world view of, as things do not work that way. Perhaps Merc targets should make a habit of always pursuing war on the merc corps, until employer has been named, and prize of contract revealed. It would make those of us not Merc's feel safer as to who is trully a mercenary corp/alliance.....and who is simply Pirates using the Merc label as cover.
Both parties.....well fought!, but as always:
Amarr Victor!
(Caldari by blood, Amarr by heart)
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merc999
Caldari
Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2006.09.05 23:44:00 -
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I guess I just see the Mercenary business different to some other Merc Corps and distinctly different some of the victim corps.
It is certainly the view held by our pilots, We are paid to do a job, when we stop getting paid no grudges are held,
A couple of examples
1) only yesterday we were attempting to gank 3 outlaw snipers in a low sec system, A pilot who whose ship we blew up a couple of times and was also podded on a recent contract appeared in the system, in exactly the type of ship we needed.
Quick convo and the pilot was in our gang and very shortly 2 of the snipers visited their clone bay and the third flew his pod home.
The pilot who joined us hung around for a while and I think enjoyed his evening flying with us, there was certainly no anymosity on either side.
2) we now often fly (not alongside, but in co-operation) with a very large local corps when certain systems are under threat , this corps was one of our first targets under contract and this corps are only too happy to have us with them, they know our abilities having experienced them first hand.
My point?
Merc corps are not permanently under contract, and will often join in when local conditions call for it, and when it is to the corp benefit, these individuals and corps recognise that Merc's are only doing their job. and as has been the case those we fighting one week may be blue boxed and our clients the next. Holding grudges against hired professionals only leads to
1) those professionals having a reason to use your pilots for training purposes
2) closing an avenue of help that you may need to hire yourselves at some point in the future
Merc'ing is like every profession, there are some good corps, some bad, a couple totally hopeless and a few that use the label to legitimise empire piracy.
A true merc corp will at the end of a contract leave with the minimum of combat needed to clear the area(why fight when not getting paid) and when meeting those old opponents in space give a cheery greeting and ask after their health and welfare..(well that be slightly optimistic) but you get the idea
Maybe I'm being slightly simplistic, and perhaps even viewing the Eve merc community through rose coloured glasses, but the above is the type of merc I try to be and I know that the majority of the pilots I fly with, and many of the pilots I fly against also see the profession in the same manner.
MERC999 Public Relations Director TBSV
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Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 23:53:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: KIAEddZ
The Killboard is a very widely used one, and that is its own Calcs, it assigns 100 Mill to a HAC loss and 180 to a Command Ship loss.
Which is whacked TBH. This is one of the reasons I plan to use tonnage as another option for the new MC killboard. I have three command ship BPOs, including the awesome Astarte, and would kill to get 180m for any one of them.
As for the contract, excellent work on the write-up Eddz. It's good to know there are marks out there who don't run down the rabbit hole at the first sign of trouble. I look forward to putting MC to the 'CVA Test' at some point in the future.
Congrats to CVA for holding your ground against such odds.
It is always nice to help people so i will agree (suffering huge personal losses ) to take those 3 BPO's off of you for 181million EACH!
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.06 00:04:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Tribunal
I have fought Burn Eden and what Mr Happ said is very close to being on target. Not so sure why you think it's skillful to warp in on a gate at 200km, gank a few newbies, and then warp out/log off when there is even a remote chance that someone might kill ya'll. Congrats on enganging in PvP that is a tad bit more exciting then shooting a PoS.
Looks like ya'll had some good fights KIA.
Wait so BE only gank noobs and never fight outnumbered?
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.09.06 05:41:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Solusar
Of all the mercenery corporations that have attacked us, every single one has come back to the area to try their hand at ganking people in Providence, so one more making a road trip here every now and then in stabbed out Vagabonds and crows really isnt going to make that much difference. For example Omnisient order are now back in Providence flying around in inty/vaga squads, it seems it is the norm these days.
Just so you know, we are on contract again.
We go north for our fun, not south.
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 06:01:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Kaleeb
Originally by: Tribunal
I have fought Burn Eden and what Mr Happ said is very close to being on target. Not so sure why you think it's skillful to warp in on a gate at 200km, gank a few newbies, and then warp out/log off when there is even a remote chance that someone might kill ya'll. Congrats on enganging in PvP that is a tad bit more exciting then shooting a PoS.
Looks like ya'll had some good fights KIA.
Wait so BE only gank noobs and never fight outnumbered?
I can only go with what I've seen in IAC space, going by anything else would be a lie on my part. The way BE fights is very hard to counter, but not overly hard to avoid, so most of their kills have been noobs in our space. IAC has gathered a force a few times to hunt BE down (when in IAC space) and BE really didn't come out to play/logged, so for the most part I can conclude that BE wants easy kills. Either way it's a moot point as I, and the PvP gangs I'm with, simply ignore them if they are in local and move on to more productive PvP encounters.
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Lamb Chop
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 06:32:00 -
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Why are we even talking abaout BE in a KIA contract topic?
Does anyone even take them and their posts seriously? I fought BE before as well, tbh they are not particularly good once you put enough points on their ships. 6 Scramble point is absolute minimum you need for each one.
As for CVA, we could have attacked you in your SS in Kheram after the war ended. We had a covert looking at you:) I choose not to because we consider this a job and not a personal vendetta. Your pilots 30 secs of gloating and victory dance for killing a solo KIA hauler is all fine and in game mechanics.
But when reprisals do happen, do not come to this board calling us pirates/griefers or whatnot.
As seleene and eddz stated not a good idea to tick Merc corps off.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 07:57:00 -
[96]
Originally by: jamesw
We go north for our fun, not south.
As did we.
KIA Piccys
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 10:44:00 -
[97]
Originally by: jamesw
Just so you know, we are on contract again.
We go north for our fun, not south.
Same employer as before?
Regarding ticking off merc corps well that's life. We aint some fat industrial alliance with noobs waiting to be picked off all over Empire. We are stubborn loyalist Amarrians - if you aggress against us then you are an enemy. Full stop.
When BoB or LV gank squads turned up in our space shooting everything in sight did we try and negotiate some NAP scared that if we upset them they would wipe us out and take our Outpost? No we made them KOS and shot at them and good fun was had by all.
Did we back down when ISS were going to put an Outpost on our doorstep and threatened us with Mercenary Coalition? No we declared war on ISS and ganked nearly 100 of them in one day.
We may be one of the smallest alliances in the game but if anyone thinks threats of war or anhiliation worry us then think again. We have heard it all before...
We have been fighting the Minmatar terrorists since forever, we have been fighting pirates forever. We are Amarrians born and bred in war.
Yes mercenaries are a nuisance and yes they will cause disruption to our ordinary routines - particularly our primary goals of fighting the terrorists and pirates.
However, unlike many organisations in EVE we have a long term vision and that vision is the extension of the Amarr Empire into 0.0 - providing 0.0 access for the benefit of ALL law abiding pilots.
That vision has not and will not change.
So by all means hire mercenaries against us and gank the nuetrals that we try and protect. At the end of the day the CVA will still be here when the mercs have moved on to fresh contracts were their kill ratios look that much more impressive...
The ganking of the KIA hauler was not done for ****s and giggles - it wasn't personal - it was our standar procedure for dealing with our KOS targets.
If KIA want to come off that KOS list then all they have to do is apologise to us and pay reparations for whatever they killed.
I am sorry if that is not what merc corps are used to but then again CVA is not a normal alliance.
If KIA now want to make it 'personal' by hunting CVA in their spare time then so be it. We will deal with them in the same way we deal with all pirates and enemies of Amarr.
They shall be bathed in the cleansing light of our holy Amarrian lasers
Amarr Victor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 10:51:00 -
[98]
The way I see it, a war declaration can be unilateral, but a ceasefire has to be bilateral.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:07:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Seleene on 06/09/2006 11:08:07
Originally by: Hardin
*Hardin pounds on his podium with a shoe and yells "We will bury you!" a lot*
MORE!!! That was almost arousing, Hardin!
Originally by: Hardin
"They shall be bathed in the cleansing light of our holy Amarrian lasers!"
I swear, if we ever do fight you, I'm going to have fun with the RP stuff.
EDIT - We know you're all proud of the Dread kill, but go kill something else already.
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Reash
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:15:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 06/09/2006 11:08:07
Originally by: Hardin
*Hardin pounds on his podium with a shoe and yells "We will bury you!" a lot*
MORE!!! That was almost arousing, Hardin!
Originally by: Hardin
"They shall be bathed in the cleansing light of our holy Amarrian lasers!"
I swear, if we ever do fight you, I'm going to have fun with the RP stuff.
EDIT - We know you're all proud of the Dread kill, but go kill something else already.
I know for fact he'd killed since then, i think the problem is that nobody else in CVA uses that kill-board that Hardin does.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:57:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 06/09/2006 11:08:07
Originally by: Hardin
*Hardin pounds on his podium with a shoe and yells "We will bury you!" a lot*
MORE!!! That was almost arousing, Hardin!
Kruschev going mental 4tw
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:12:00 -
[102]
We are happy to be on your KOS list CVA, you know that, I'm personally not chuffed that it means we will have to shove your bathing holy lights so far up your dark places that your intestinal tract will think its a fkin Jean Michelle Jarre light show special going on. ;) but so be it. Were busy on contract most of the time anyway, might be a while b4 the shoving and bathing commences.
As I said b4, I understand your stance, I just think its foolhardy, and those pilots that are taking advantage of your "free 0.0 space for all" offer are the ones that will pay the price for your "KOS in all empire" ideals, not your "only engage when we can win" PvP squads (b4 you get defensive, KIA generally lives by the same rules, its common sense)
For a man with such a broad and admirable goal, your inability to have any real aptitude to look at the larger picture of that goal and how you think you will achieve it, simply says to me you won't. Pity as it would of been quite an achievement.
KIA Piccys
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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:19:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Redwolf
Originally by: Garreck
...but no smack in-game....
Are you forgetting Tjakka?
Well he did learn from the master
I remember one time in corp chat he moaned at me that I had smacked our war targets to death in local and there was nothing left for him to say.Funny.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 14:04:00 -
[104]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
For a man with such a broad and admirable goal, your inability to have any real aptitude to look at the larger picture of that goal and how you think you will achieve it, simply says to me you won't. Pity as it would of been quite an achievement.
Rather than standing tall and sticking to our ideals we should bend over and beg corporations and alliances that could attack us into NAP's and such? If thats the way you do things fair enough but it is not the way we do things. We have been in this area for two years now Eddz, using the same policies reguarding anyone that attacks us. If you fail to grasp the concept that your mercenery way of life has consequences, so be it. Im sure you will get plenty of ganks in Providence, it is a large area and the area we have expanded the empire into is rather small, im also sure you will claim all kills in Providence somehow effect the CVA. Most corporations that attack us seem to have this idea, though i still fail to see how it effects us. We are not Concord.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:33:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Seleene
EDIT - We know you're all proud of the Dread kill, but go kill something else already.
I have - just haven't entered 'em yet as I kinda liked the look of my sig. Last kill was a Griffin - it's just not the same
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:34:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Hardin
I have - just haven't entered 'em yet as I kinda liked the look of my sig. Last kill was a Griffin - it's just not the same
Nothing less from the head of public relations
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Snodgey2004
Mega Modal M0nkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:02:00 -
[107]
I love CVA too , Though I am worried with all the kudos your recieving at the mo' , you'll have that many people coming to shoot you I fear theres gonna be no safe systems to mine in , that would be a disaster
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Sykosys
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:08:00 -
[108]
All you amarian slave scum will suffer for my peoples own suffering!!!!
Ok I had to say that, this post had so much CVA talking and not a single active freedom fighter (Well Al did try) to bark back at ya
Ive been stuck having to RP to pirates in local. Not much fun there LOL.
Hopefully soon we can have good RP banter in our local again guys.
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Kyguard
Our Brothers Five
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 20:21:00 -
[109]
<3 KIA Corp & Amarr loyalist RP corps.
Hope you both had some good fun
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Lamb Chop
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 21:54:00 -
[110]
I demand reperations for the cost of ammo i have fired against CVA; or else!
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.07 00:13:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Lamb Chop
I demand reperations for the cost of ammo i have fired against CVA; or else!
Sit around on a gate in R3, we'll endeavour to have it delivered ASAP!
Originally by: HippoKing
Who cares if the game is coming up. Forums are back \o/
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Conmen
Valiant Logistics Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.07 08:53:00 -
[112]
i win
WE ARE THE UBER LEET !*TH CENTURY RP CORP !*THCENTURY STYLE BABY. THANK YOU SHEEDZOR FOR THIS SIG GET PREPARED EVE TO BE WTFOWN |
fisty
Ruffians
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Posted - 2006.09.08 04:29:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Al Haquis
Lol@ KIAeddz , i have to agree it¦s so lame that they should gank you hauler in low sec . My dear, my god the sky is falling.
Get down on the ground and be profesional and run your corp like a man. Your in the Merc buisness not some "we jump in we jump out and becouse we are uber duber mercs people have to apply other standards to us"
Cry me a river , your a man of war now act like it. And what in gods name was a hauler doing unescorted.
Props to my old enemys , trial of fire and you still here , your all still bastards and hope you die but good going guys.
With love from Al Haquis.
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Alierite
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Posted - 2006.09.09 16:38:00 -
[114]
Look mom, i got pwned!!!! |
Crax McGee
Caldari
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.12 13:33:00 -
[115]
Whens the next one eddz?? this saturday?
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.12 21:49:00 -
[116]
what? will we get a funky banner too for the announcement? pretty puhleeze. one with lots of manlove :)
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Talon Calais
Gallente
Nubs.
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.13 07:39:00 -
[117]
Best of luck on your next contract KIA....perhaps Syndicate will prove more profitable....
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Circa Banes
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Posted - 2006.09.14 00:53:00 -
[118]
You know, this topic began well. Gave me a lot of respect for KIA. How it has transpired however, has turned my view from thoughts of respect, to thoughts of "Oh my god, aren't you supposed to be in class?"
You're sounding like a baby now. Your hauler was popped. Boohoo. Experience should have taught you by now. Don't go afk in lowsec. This entire thread has been saturated with whining about an event involving 1 hauler, and 1 pilot for said hauler going afk. You lose Eve!
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