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Sofie Fatale	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:04:00 - [1] So that all kilmails are in the one place instead of each corp posting in various others ?
Tao Han Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:10:00 - [2] There are 2 camps on this one as far as I know: 1: Hell yeah! Lets have a top ten player listing. 2: Hell no! Dont make it CS in space where all that matters is getting that killmail. I'm in the second camp. To me this would make EvE more of a game you can actually win, and not a living breathing world. I guess I have an RP stance towards this. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes Leave my sigs alone *sob - Tao Han
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:13:00 - [3] Because you have lots of idiots who would just want more kills, and they'd have to spend time thinking up a ranking and scoring system, and that'd just be a waste of time, resources, and energy. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Misses Gap	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Because you have lots of idiots who would just want more kills, and they'd have to spend time thinking up a ranking and scoring system, and that'd just be a waste of time, resources, and energy. Already happens on "private" killboards and really..doesnt matter where it is. It could change the honesty and biased stats at least.
Misses Gap	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:14:00 - [5] Im in camp1 --and wtd--if they care about killmails only, lets make them real at least instead of some "island" killboard with selective view.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:37:00 - [6] Removing killmails would be a better option. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Misses Gap	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Avon Removing killmails would be a better option. Its too much part of the game and a nice souvenier as well now. It also helps a lot to analyze the enemies setup and blobbing points. Not to bad having those around actually.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:40:00 - [8] killboards are a waste of time... Eve is not about who can kill the most. Eve has a variety of game styles... besides, half the killboards are not even run legit. I've popped many and I hardly ever see them posted on their "losses"... its an ego thing, and it can be manipulated to easily.
Misses Gap	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Lord Frost killboards are a waste of time... Eve is not about who can kill the most. Eve has a variety of game styles... besides, half the killboards are not even run legit. I've popped many and I hardly ever see them posted on their "losses"... its an ego thing, and it can be manipulated to easily. I think the OP wanted to have the kill"mails" go directly in a dedicated centralised database hosted by CCP and accessible by all. No way you can dupe it that way--unless you got buddies taht let you kill them and that d show up ;)
Sofie Fatale	Posted - 2006.09.04 22:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Misses Gap Originally by: Lord Frost killboards are a waste of time... Eve is not about who can kill the most. Eve has a variety of game styles... besides, half the killboards are not even run legit. I've popped many and I hardly ever see them posted on their "losses"... its an ego thing, and it can be manipulated to easily. I think the OP wanted to have the kill"mails" go directly in a dedicated centralised database hosted by CCP and accessible by all. No way you can dupe it that way--unless you got buddies taht let you kill them and that d show up ;) uh huh !
Patch Esquire	Posted - 2006.09.04 23:03:00 - [11] Edited by: Patch Esquire on 04/09/2006 23:04:55 I'd be all for an automatic, global killboard. Atm, killboards are wildly innacurate- alot of people just flat out don't post losses. Whats the point in a league table where the people at the top generally are just the least honest? EDIT MEANT to also say that maybe it could be voluntary. That is, you check a box to make your score visible or invisible. Your score is always counted, but if you don't want to take part, you can just keep off of the table. Also, damned ALT post again
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.04 23:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Misses Gap Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Because you have lots of idiots who would just want more kills, and they'd have to spend time thinking up a ranking and scoring system, and that'd just be a waste of time, resources, and energy. Already happens on "private" killboards and really..doesnt matter where it is. It could change the honesty and biased stats at least. Who cares about the 'stats' of a pilot's kills? It does nothing, and CCP doing an 'offical' one would be a waste of time. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Avon Removing killmails would be a better option. Agreed. They want to remove some lag? Removing a system which has to send the players detailed info about who killed who with what and what got blown up, can't hurt. Besides, it's not like the game can't keep that info logged for the GMs for reimbursements if need be. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Tao Han 2: Hell no! Dont make it CS in space where all that matters is getting that killmail. I'm in the second camp. To me this would make EvE more of a game you can actually win, and not a living breathing world. I guess I have an RP stance towards this. QFT. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.05 00:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Avon Removing killmails would be a better option. Agreed. They want to remove some lag? Removing a system which has to send the players detailed info about who killed who with what and what got blown up, can't hurt. Besides, it's not like the game can't keep that info logged for the GMs for reimbursements if need be. I like killmails, if only so we can see whether you actually killed something or not in a fleet battle. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
thatguyinpc	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:12:00 - [16] Edited by: thatguyinpc on 05/09/2006 02:14:17 Hmmm.... Centralized Kill Boards.... Tamper Proof... Could be used as a new tool for Bounty Hunters / Antipirates to track & hunt their prey? Maybe cross refrence it so you can quickly look up players by name... IE: New face in the system, high sec status, but is acting suspicious... Look him up on the killboards, yep he's killed a lot of barges in his day, think I'll stay in my SS. Might not be all bad after all... Guy
Eudoxus Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:25:00 - [17] I like the idea a lot. The reality is, there are a lot of pvp oriented people in Eve. Having a global killboard with sorting options by corp/alliance etc would simplify things a lot and go a long way to keeping totals honest. Granted, some of you don't seem to care about the tallies as you see popping people in Eve as evil or something but the reality is the popping drives the economy; if nothing ever went boom a bpo holder would only get to sell one of xyz to people once and we would all just amass infinite wealth, get bored and leave the game. I don't think having a global board would do anything to encourage more pvp - there is already tons of it kill board or not. I would still want to pop ships just as much, regardless of a board. And yea, it would be cool to have as a resource - see guy pop up in local, see that said guy has popped 18 miners today, uh, warp to safe spot!
Takaharu Tsuyoshi	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:31:00 - [18] No thanks, we really dont need people killing for the sake of making their e-peen look bigger for the world of eve, more so.
thatguyinpc	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:39:00 - [19] Edited by: thatguyinpc on 05/09/2006 02:40:04 Here's another thought... New applicant to my corp... Lets take a look at his previous corps... Hmm been in a few other corps, but on the kill boards it looks like his former corp mates have been killing him and vice-versa... may be a corp thief?... better hold off on this application till I can speak with some former CEOs... Yes cross refrencing will be good!!! Even adds a little to the risk/reward factor... Guy
Wufong Wei Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:41:00 - [20] Also there is the fact that a killboard gives you a lot of information, like what setup your opponent was using , what weapons/ships YOU are using, where you are killing...Making all that information public might be perilous for mercenary corporations and pirate groups that like a little bit of surprise in their enemies. And killmails on 'public' killboards right now can be easily doctored to make it look like said alliance/corp is hanging out in one area when they are really right next door. Which is an advantage to the wise...
Maximillian Pele Caldari Jewel Enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:43:00 - [21] We already have the killboard competition crowd. Why have a universal killboard? What organisation in EvE collects all this data? Why provide every player with a intelligence tool that allows you to look at other players setups and gangs? Why should I in Lonetrek be able to see what is going on deep in 0.0 just by searching a killboard? If people want to run corp/alliance/personal killboards then go for it. But the onus on keeping those killboards accurate isn't CCP's. Informational warfare is an important part of EvE. A universal killboard would just become a kind of galaxy wide local chat channel. Denying your opponents accurate intel or feeding them false intel is part and parcel of EvE's PvP. In times of doubt I ask myself "What would BoB do?", and then do the opposite.
Takaharu Tsuyoshi	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:43:00 - [22] Or you can do your own work and recon instead of having it handed to you.
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:45:00 - [23] Edited by: Kurren on 05/09/2006 02:45:36 Ummm... who gives a damn? CCP needs to focus on THE GAME... not the do-dads we mess with outside of it. We pay them to play THE GAME. That's what they should focus on. Say it with me now... "There are more important things than kill-mails." "I will not live for the kill-mails because after I've gotten a few, the thrill wears off" "No amount of podding will ever make me more famous than m0o." "There are more important things than kill-mails." edit - spilleng --- --- --- --- My Sig Is Not Too Big... Eris is the holder of the pink so you get orange for now - Xorus TEH POWER OF PINK COMPELS J00!1 - Immy
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:48:00 - [24] Yes, Kurren. But not being able to dicuss them is silly, and thus we need an official killboard. Which I never supported before CCP made that rule. //Maya
thatguyinpc	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Maximillian Pele We already have the killboard competition crowd. Why have a universal killboard? What organisation in EvE collects all this data? Why provide every player with a intelligence tool that allows you to look at other players setups and gangs? Why should I in Lonetrek be able to see what is going on deep in 0.0 just by searching a killboard? If people want to run corp/alliance/personal killboards then go for it. But the onus on keeping those killboards accurate isn't CCP's. Informational warfare is an important part of EvE. A universal killboard would just become a kind of galaxy wide local chat channel. Denying your opponents accurate intel or feeding them false intel is part and parcel of EvE's PvP. It's more risk/reward. It would also address the broken Security Status ranking system. Guy
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.09.05 02:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Maya Rkell Yes, Kurren. But not being able to dicuss them is silly, and thus we need an official killboard. Which I never supported before CCP made that rule. Well, who exactly would you need to discuss these mails with? The victim? Yeah, that'll be a smooth convo. Your corp/alliance? You have an in-game channel _for both_ to do it in (on top of voice comm. programs that some use and your corp/alliance web-site [if they have one] and extra in-game channels that may have been created for NAPS and such) If you need to send it to an individual, you can simply "copy all" and send them an eve-mail. AND, if these things just seem like too much of a hassle, you can always discuss it in any one the Eve forums here. Crime and Punishment seems fitting. Ships and Modules might be too. There are plenty of options that are already there for discussion, and both parties are sent the exact same kill-mail. You get a kill-mail. It's accurate. Why concern yourself if your opponent is being honest? If they're "lying"... it just gives you another reason (as if you needed one ) to kill them. --- --- --- --- My Sig Is Not Too Big... Eris is the holder of the pink so you get orange for now - Xorus TEH POWER OF PINK COMPELS J00!1 - Immy
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.09.05 03:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Takaharu Tsuyoshi No thanks, we really dont need people killing for the sake of making their e-peen look bigger for the world of eve, more so. I think EVE already has all the people like that it can get. Introducing a CCP killboard system won't suddenly convert your average carebear into a killmail-driven killing machine. heh
Cmdr Sy EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.09.05 03:28:00 - [28] I am not sure what the point would be. It is difficult enough getting people to post kills and losses on a private corp killboard used for performance assessment, without asking them to make their kills and losses public. Some people will always let the side down, even if all you want to do is show them how to avoid some error which they insist on continuing to make in secret. Giving people yet another link which they don't have to click, would waste CCP's time and would add nothing at all.
Takaharu Tsuyoshi	Posted - 2006.09.05 03:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Takaharu Tsuyoshi No thanks, we really dont need people killing for the sake of making their e-peen look bigger for the world of eve, more so. I think EVE already has all the people like that it can get. Introducing a CCP killboard system won't suddenly convert your average carebear into a killmail-driven killing machine. heh hence the ",more so"
Saeris Tal'Urduar Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.05 03:35:00 - [30] If CCP does decide to do a killboard, which BTW doesnt really matter to me either way. It should be based of a points system. I'm not talking about assigning a point value based on ship class. But based on how hard the fight was. Example: If I jump a Brutix in low-sec in a Arbitrator, should I get the same score if I kill him if he's in a mining setup? So to make it correct I should get less points if hes in a mining setup or travel setup. Or how about his skills in piloting a BC? Or what if I do catch a veteran in a combat Brutix who has more skills in flying a BC than I have in piloting a cruiser, I should get more points, right? What if I have someone else helping me and its a gank, same or less? Only way I see as having a none disputable killboard, is if CCP has a way of tracing damage done to each ship and in how much time, how many hitpoints each ship started with, and how much they repaired, and how many ships and what type participated in the kill. That way you could tell the gankers from the miner killers, from the noob corp war dec'rs, from the gate snipers, from the belt hunters looking for mining carebears. More people on the killmail=less points. You did 70% more damage than the target=less points. Target didnt (or couldnt) shoot back=less points. <---which BTW covers the target getting jammed or dampened. But there would have to be a way to give you the correct amount of points if you out smarted the opponent. Such as if he was in a temp with projectiles and you were in a Blasterthron with a weapon distrupter, and he couldnt hit for ***. Personally I dont think CCP should bother, but this the only way I can think to differentiate between the gate gankers, noob killers, and real* PvP pilots. shrugs
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.09.05 04:03:00 - [31] Only if there is a mining killboard to see who pops the most rocks :P -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Sky Marshal	Posted - 2006.09.05 04:13:00 - [32] Each time I see a CS/DOD server be connected to a new stats system, each time I see the ambiance degrade on the server in few days... Best servers are no-stats servers. So I am in the camp 2. Actually there are already a big amount of killboards available. Some rats don't hesitate to shoot anybody just to add one kill on Battleclinic, same if it is a shuttle (I was shoot and published by a rat, so I am a few angry). Because they are unofficial, they are less known, so there is less competition than if it would be official. Hopefully, since killmails give some interresting informations... This is the least worse situation. Same if the score could be invisible in an "official" one, I am sure than people will take care of this parameter... The minimum is to permit people to NOT have score (lose or win), and people who kill this persons don't have any score too. So the score would concern only pure PVP players who have the score activated. This can avoid a big race for the first position and an increase of gatecamps in 0.4.
thatguyinpc	Posted - 2006.09.05 04:45:00 - [33] My opinion is that the kill mail race is already well under way and unless kill mails are abolished will continue till the last day the server is running. That being the case lets make it tamper proof also. The primary reason that I would like to see a CCP kill board is to level the playing field between pirates and anti-pirates / bounty hunters. IÆm of the opinion that piracy has very little risk involved, in fact piracy is the risk most everyone else has to deal with. If it werenÆt so profitable (or at least seemingly fun) it wouldnÆt be so rampant. Please understand I donÆt want piracy removed, I just see this as another potential tool to encourage PVP between those who desire it the most. Pirates have had it good for a long time, they smarter ones on these boards know how to manipulate opinion to keep Anti-pirates and care bears at odds. How do you ask? Because every action suggested or even taken to help ensure care bear safety almost always benefits the pirates even more. So lets add some tools back for the PVPrs who want to fight other PVP equipped ships. Not just continue to make it easy for PVP ships to engage PVE layouts. Lets add some risk to piracy, theyÆve had it far to good, for far to long. It also seems to me that this is a tool that can be deployed without major modification to the game itself and with only minimal involvement from the Dev team, or at least the oneÆs that have to work the hardest on the code itselfà. But then again what do I know? If it werenÆt for point and click IÆd be lost. Maybe someone else can address how hard it would be to implement. Guy
Sable Moran Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.05 13:13:00 - [34] I think killmails should be removed, it's just mainly an e-peen competition anyway. After the removal a new feature is needed for mercenary corporations: When an official war is declared a counter starts ticking. After the war is fought and peace dawns the counter sends an evemail to the involved corporations showing how many ships / pods / modules / whatever got destroyed. ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
Ilea Celentay Concealed Judgement	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:23:00 - [35] I like kill mails, helps me look back on when I was killed, I have kept every kill mail I have recived and skill mail... Anyway. I like the idea, but as pointed out there is no real way to have a score, so why not simply not have on. Yes, you could see whos killed the most Battleships/Barges/Shuttles, but there doesn't need a points value, and that would help to stop the killmail-killers. Also, the last thing I would want as a CEO is a member boasting that they have more points than myself, or any member in my corporation, its the kind of compititon friction I dislike the most. - "We have big plans. Secret plans, but BIG!" Faction\|Tech1 Ship Info

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