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digitalnationalist
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:18:00 -
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On shield tanks, there are large boosters usually for BC's and XL boosters usually for BS's. CCP should turn Large reps to XL reps and make a new size of reps especially for BC's. (Just an idea, not looking for a bunch of arguments on how stupid this is)
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:23:00 -
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god seriously. how frickin stupid is this idea
no, you make a great point. especially w/ the increased BC usage w/ cmd ships (not to mention new ones coming out).
I say what the hell, why not?
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Hamatitio
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:23:00 -
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large shield boosters and xl shield boosters came out long before battlecruisers...
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digitalnationalist
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: digitalnationalist on 06/09/2006 03:29:06
 Originally by: Hamatitio
large shield boosters and xl shield boosters came out long before battlecruisers...
Thats extranious to the fact BC's usually use Large boosters and BS's use XL boosters. It doesnt matter weather BC's came out before or after the Reps. The point is, BC's have a rep that fits them perfectly, why cant armor tanking BC's? Its reasonable in my opinion. I just don't think that medium reps work good with ships such as prophecys because they simply don't rep enough. However, i know it's asking alot to change everything just to make room for a new size rep.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:30:00 -
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Battlecruisers use X-L boosters... Or rather: The Sleipnir uses X-L shield boosters...
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Marley Princip
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:33:00 -
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Just because BC's CAN use XL's doesnt mean its the best. It usually eats too much cap for the BC. If you use a Large booster on a BC, you can see the cap usage and rep amount works rationaly with the BC.
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xlop
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:37:00 -
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it would sure help armor tanks generally
atm shield tanks >>>>>>>> armor tanks, both cap wise, sustainability wise, implant wise, most DPS wise,
adding something in between medium and large would help a lot, boosting ur traditional large + med rep to large + [new proposed rep]
anyways it something i have alwasy wanted so yep, signed
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Kidd Billups
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.06 03:43:00 -
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This idea popped up in my mind many times i just never thought to say it on forums. I believe making a rep between Medium and Large would definantly improve Armor Tanking BC's tanks. ^^ He's right, shield tanking is better than armor tanking in almost ever aspect right now. I dont think the Rep amount on the BC sized rep should be a huge increase than the Medium Rep, Just enough to rep a decent amount for a BC.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 04:11:00 -
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AMEN
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.06 04:14:00 -
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Capital Rep =D
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Hamatitio
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 07:11:00 -
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what about abs/mwds for destroyers and bcs?
Lots of mods *should* be around that aren't 
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.06 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Marley Princip
Just because BC's CAN use XL's doesnt mean its the best. It usually eats too much cap for the BC. If you use a Large booster on a BC, you can see the cap usage and rep amount works rationaly with the BC.
Sleipnir can sustain certain XL booster for 500s while nosfed by heavy nosf. I don't see how that's not best, but... what is it then?
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.09.06 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Marley Princip
Just because BC's CAN use XL's doesnt mean its the best. It usually eats too much cap for the BC. If you use a Large booster on a BC, you can see the cap usage and rep amount works rationaly with the BC.
Sleipnir can sustain certain XL booster for 500s while nosfed by heavy nosf. I don't see how that's not best, but... what is it then?
There is a difference between normal BC and picking out the best boosting commandship.
Just because one ship can do it properly doesnt mean its the right choice for a complety different class (same hull though).
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 09:44:00 -
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Such a rep is really only needed to ballance armor and shield tanking at the Command ship level. Tech 1 battlecruiser armor tanking and shield tanking is pretty much ballanced as is so I'm mildy worried about what kind of effect this would have on the already arguably overpowerd Brutix.
Overall I think it is a reasonable idea however I'd like to see some proposed stats so that we can run some numbers and see what kind of setups these reps would be usable on. For this reason I'll propose some quick meaningless stats with a rather linear progression in comparison to the Medium and Large armor reppers.
(Adult Small) Armor Repairer 1
Grid: 400
CPU: 38
HP Healed: 405
Cap Usage: 270
Recycle Time: 13.5 seconds
So there you go, some reasonable stats on a module that will never see the light of day.
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lofty29
Gallente
Tolarri Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.06 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
god seriously. how frickin stupid is this idea
no, you make a great point. especially w/ the increased BC usage w/ cmd ships (not to mention new ones coming out).
I say what the hell, why not?
I say no. TBH, the command ships are fine, as are BC's. Theyre one of the only entier ship classes which needs no change. Shield tanking and Armor tanking as completely different things  The astarte tanks about 800 DPS with full t2 fit, the absolution, about 900. The Nighthawk tanks >alot<, but does just above caracal-level damage to make up for it.
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vyperpit
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.06 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: vyperpit on 06/09/2006 11:07:30
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: HankMurphy
god seriously. how frickin stupid is this idea
no, you make a great point. especially w/ the increased BC usage w/ cmd ships (not to mention new ones coming out).
I say what the hell, why not?
I say no. TBH, the command ships are fine, as are BC's. Theyre one of the only entier ship classes which needs no change. Shield tanking and Armor tanking as completely different things The astarte tanks about 800 DPS with full t2 fit, the absolution, about 900. The Nighthawk tanks >alot<, but does just above caracal-level damage to make up for it.
those numbers you mention are not correct, a pvp astarte can not tank 800dps, nor can a pvp absolution tank 900DPS. unless your talking about CS with no dmg mods in which case its possible but imo not worth it
also nighthawk has 42sig heavy missiles with 50km range, so can do max dmg to t1 frigs and AF and almost max dmg to cepters. a astarte/absol/sleip needs to fit a mwd/ab to get into range and a web to hold the target, oh and need to be 2km to do the max dps and under 10km to do 80%+ of the max dps.
armor tanks need this rep inbetween medium and large : oh and lets not forget good old crystal sets adding to the already better shield tanks.
but imo, the small and emdium shield boosters need some love, they should be a bit more efficient than they currently are! insted of 1.5hp to 1 cap for t2, perhaps something like 1.75
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:15:00 -
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I'd be very hesistant to introduce another class of repper between Medium and Large. I have absolutely no problems making very good tanks out of single and dual MAR on BCs, and they're still quite cap hungry for the most part (my Prophecy is the only one that actually sustains its repper).
Not really needed, IMO..
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Laythun
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:24:00 -
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Your thinking in isolation.
What would A bc rep do to cruiser tanking???
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: xlop
atm shield tanks >>>>>>>> armor tanks, both cap wise, sustainability wise, implant wise, most DPS wise,
dedicated shield tank can't tackle/ecm, armor tank can
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Mable
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.06 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: vyperpit
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armor tanks need this rep inbetween medium and large : oh and lets not forget good old crystal sets adding to the already better shield tanks.
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no, armor tanks don't need another rep. A pure armor tanker like Amarr tanking ships (Maller, Punisher, Prophecy, Apoc) can run the Armor repper forever without getting cap problems. Try it on shield tank ... you cannot run a shield booster forever (except you get some gist b-, c- or x-type, which costs **** load of money). Armor tanker have lot of advantages, the 64% armor hardener are very common because 3 different complex organisations drop them (Sansha, Blood Raider, Serpentis - Komplex). A 64% armor hardener you can get for around 230Mil. 64% Shield hardener will be dropped only in Gurista Plex' (Pith X-Type), the Gist X-Type (Angel) has only 61%. A Pith X-Type will cost you around 700Mil or more, if you are lucky enough to get one. Same for the best faction Repairer vs. Shield Boosters, Gist X-Type XL Booster is at 1.3Bil or more (I was lucky to get one for 800Mil few month ago), Centus X-Type Large Repairer is at what, 450Mil?
Crystal Set adds bonus to shield Boost amount, but for amor tanker you get Slave set, that adds Armor hitpoints. In addition you get an Implant that adds 5% (also 3% available) to armor rep amount (Noble ZET 400/4000) and an Imp that reduces armor rep cycle by 5% (also 3% available) (Noble ZET 100/1000), for shield there is a 5% (or 3%) shield hitpoint imp (KVA1000/2000) available and a 5% (3%) Shield recharge rate Imp (KYA 1000/2000). In my eyes it's balanced in case of implants. But you forget that Armor has higher resistances, and every race gets an additional 10% Resistance to the main damage of enemy race, bt only on armor, not on shield.
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Sunflare
Gallente
Thundercats
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sunflare on 06/09/2006 13:17:35
Originally by: Laythun
Your thinking in isolation.
What would A bc rep do to cruiser tanking???
Eat their cap in 1/2 the time.
Gotta remember along with repairing more i'd probably take as much to run as 1.5 medium armor reps.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2006.09.06 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: xlop
atm shield tanks >>>>>>>> armor tanks, both cap wise, sustainability wise, implant wise, most DPS wise,
dedicated shield tank can't tackle/ecm, armor tank can
But dedicated armor tanks can't fit WCS in all lows, shield tanks can!!!
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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ElCoCo
Gallente
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: xlop
atm shield tanks >>>>>>>> armor tanks, both cap wise, sustainability wise, implant wise, most DPS wise,
dedicated shield tank can't tackle/ecm, armor tank can
But dedicated armor tanks can't fit WCS in all lows, shield tanks can!!!
King Liu is right!
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Gaylente Hunter
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:29:00 -
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The rep shouldnt have too much more activation cost than the medium rep because med reps still take a good amount of cap for BC's. However, the extra PG needed will make it hard for cruisers to fit, therefore, making it fair. Think about this. A sleip/ Cyclone with an XL Rep reps more then their BS class. I find it hard to believe that giving the proph, brutix, and the new armor tanking BC's coming out a little more rep amount is too much to ask.
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korrey
Level Five
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Such a rep is really only needed to ballance armor and shield tanking at the Command ship level. Tech 1 battlecruiser armor tanking and shield tanking is pretty much ballanced as is so I'm mildy worried about what kind of effect this would have on the already arguably overpowerd Brutix.
Overall I think it is a reasonable idea however I'd like to see some proposed stats so that we can run some numbers and see what kind of setups these reps would be usable on. For this reason I'll propose some quick meaningless stats with a rather linear progression in comparison to the Medium and Large armor reppers.
(Adult Small) Armor Repairer 1
Grid: 400
CPU: 38
HP Healed: 405
Cap Usage: 270
Recycle Time: 13.5 seconds
So there you go, some reasonable stats on a module that will never see the light of day.
Faction med reps do more than that 
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.06 20:40:00 -
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You don't need a BC sized rep, dual mediums are perfect. Don't say that you don't want a 2 slot rep, because a shield tanked BC uses an amp anyway (2nd slot).
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 21:00:00 -
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bc sized cap injector!!
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 21:10:00 -
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bc sized wcs!!
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