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Veleth
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Posted - 2006.09.06 13:05:00 -
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Cormorant: Cormorant gets +1 Damage and shield for each enemy scout or frigate in this region. Defending enemy scouts and frigates cannot withdraw from this region
Situation: Cormorant warps into a region with 3 frigates, it is now 8/7. It kills a frigate, but takes 6 damage. When the cormorant's shield lowers 1, does it die during the result step(because it has taken 6 damage) or does the lowered shield come out of the damage already taken (so its max shield lowers to 6, but it still only has one 1 currently).
Asked differently, do ships remember how much damage they have taken, and constantly calculate their current ships minus that damage, or do they only know what their current shields are, and any damage is just applied to whatever shields they have at that moment?
(This situation could technically occur in a number of places, a Stubborn Mechanic that is destroyed during the result step, etc.)
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:02:00 -
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I'd say yes, it's dead, because the ship it kills is now on the scrapheap and the shields haven't recharged yet, and a ship is dead the moment it hits 0 shields.
If attacking a base, I tend to just not target frigs with my coms.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour  - Immy
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Sennlloy Wolf
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:05:00 -
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I'm new to the CCG things so there are some things I don't totally get yet (like the concept of the pile and resolving it), but this is my understandind on how it should work:
1) Cormorant warps in - gets 8/7
2) battle phase begins - all shields return to 100%
3) you targets
4) enemy targets
5) all damage happens - (one frig is gone)
5A) if this is a home region - you attack star base with each remaining ships
6) repeat steps 2 through 5 until either case below
Case A - you don't destroy any ships - you must withdraw
Case B - no more ships to destroy - you claim outer region
Case C - if home region - if you destroy star base you win
Hope this is right and if I'm incorrect somewhere, please let me know!
Sennlloy
still looking for someone to play - wifes not interested but broke out cosmic wimp out and ask to play that instead
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Tallest
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:41:00 -
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Cormorant is destroyed during the damage dealing step.
As soon as the frigate is destroyed the Cormorant is a 7/6 ship with 6 damage on it.
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Sennlloy Wolf
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Tallest
Cormorant is destroyed during the damage dealing step.
As soon as the frigate is destroyed the Cormorant is a 7/6 ship with 6 damage on it.
Is this how the pile get's done. I don't understand this then.
The way I see it, the cormorant get's the effect at the start of the battle phase. If all damage gets dealt at the same time, there are still three frigs shooting, so it's not gone yet when the cormorant gets hit. That how my logic sees it.
Can you explain with a little more detail how it would be destroyed?
Thanks,
Sennlloy
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Tallest
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Posted - 2006.09.06 17:09:00 -
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Cormorants ability that grants him +1/+1 is a continuous ability which means that it's always in effect and it's effect depends on the state of the game. So when the frigate in question is dealt damage and destroyed, there are now fewer frigates in the region and therefore Cormorant is smaller right away.
Originally by: Sennlloy Wolf
The way I see it, the cormorant get's the effect at the start of the battle phase. If all damage gets dealt at the same time, there are still three frigs shooting, so it's not gone yet when the cormorant gets hit. That how my logic sees it.
It's true that the frigate is not gone when the Cormorant gets hit, but it is destroyed by the hit and as soon as it leaves play, the Cormorant is smaller and is destroyed. Shields are not recharged until the end of the phase.
What you said would be true if the ability were worded "At the beginning of each battle phase, Cormorant gets +1/+1 for each frigate in this region until the end of this battle phase."
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