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Kerra Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:12:18 -
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Hey vets and people with more knowledge than me :D Back then I started playing this game, but I stopped and all I can say is I returned because I was craving to play it now when I got time to do it :) I'm really newbie and all I know are somewhat the basics. Mostly doing mining and I trained up to Charon which I bought not too long ago. So my question is, do I have to keep training further to Jump freighters and what I have to use my Charon for? I got no corporation, but I want to go for the PVP and I pretty much know I will die if I accept random contracts from stranger spamming in jita. Any tips?
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
745
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:38:21 -
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Flying a freighter with low capital (iskies) is putting too many eggs in one basket for a new player, in my opinion. If you lose it (ganks can happen to anyone, people will even gank empty freighters) you'll be out a lot of money. It would probably take hundreds of contracts to make enough to cover the loss.
If you are interested in PVP, I say, stop training for freighters and go right into that. The skill paths are completely separate so training into a jump freighter will not help you get started in PvP. And a JF is a pretty specialized ship which you will have little use for without a corp.
I recommend you join a new player friendly pvp corp. PvPing solo is hard, and even harder with low skill points and little knowledge. Plus it's more fun to play with others! I do quite a bit of solo pvp now because I enjoy it, but I still have people to hang out with in comms and fly with when I want.
If you really really want to use your freighter, look into Red Frog Freight. They are a corporation dedicated to hauling contracts and have some rules in place to keep you a bit safer from scams.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6898
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:51:30 -
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Kerra Khashour wrote:and I pretty much know I will die if I accept random contracts from stranger spamming in jita. Any tips?
You already understand the most important thing, but take it a step further and just minimize local in trade hubs. It'll keep you focused.
As for courier contracts. Use your search function to find them. It's not hard to see the scams, so they are pretty easy to avoid and are not the problem with hauling. Being ganked is.
Have a look through the forum for methods to minimize risk of being exploded. In general though, even that is not as much of a problem as people make it out to be. Just stick to a few basic rules and you'll do fine.
You can make ISK running courier contracts. Not much for the effort, though, and it's one of those things that is boring as hell. You need to be paying attention at all times so it's tough to run another character that you are actually having engaging gameplay with at the same time, as you would with a semi-AFK miner for instance.
And if you do end up losing your ship, it's going to hurt. A lot.
There are much better ways to make some ISKies to feed your PVP habit, in my opinion.
Mr Epeen 
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2193
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:33:58 -
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flying freighters isn't actually something that you *do*. it's more of a distraction while you are playing other games or watching movies. unless you have some bulky but not too expensive stuff that you need to move from a to b right now, there are always better ways to handle your cargo (including setting up your own courier contract for some other peasant to haul).
I should buy an Ishtar.
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Utari Onzo
United System's Commonwealth
58
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:40:51 -
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Most people I know that haul aren't doing it for the hauling isk. They're moving their own stuff from a to b, usually manufactured products to trade hub to sell, or supplies from trade hub to their home. Some pick up public contracts for some side isk as they're 'on the way' but it's not their main income souce. I highly recommend you start skilling up for some pvp skills and re-evaluate if freighter running is going to be making enough isk for you on its own. That is not to say it's not handy being able to fly a freighter, just for isk/effort you're not making a whole lot to fund a healthy pvp habit imo.
The other advantage of PVP skills is that it will allow you to make some isk from ratting/missions, all the gunnery (or missile) skills, ewar (target painters, webs) and naviational skills (AB/MWD) are useful in both pve and pvp.
Also, for those saying you can't really solo pvp as a newbie, that's bull. Yes, you are at a disadvantage vs someone rocking implants, fleet boosts and buckets of skills, but in many palce, especially FW lowsec, there are plenty of players with lots of sp but no idea how to fly their ship. Get good at maximising your own abilities, and you can (and will) kill higher SP players if you know what targets to fight and hunt. It's not easy, you will lose a crap tonne, but if solo is something you wanna try nothing beats getting out there and trying it.
Another big big advice I have is if you're looking to pvp, join a pvp corp that looks for newbros. You can go roaming with friends, or solo, but being in a corp with a mix of newbies and veterans will give you a massive derth of experiance to fidn your own way through the game. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4962
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Posted - 2014.12.08 20:36:53 -
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Kerra Khashour wrote:Hey vets and people with more knowledge than me :D Back then I started playing this game, but I stopped and all I can say is I returned because I was craving to play it now when I got time to do it :) I'm really newbie and all I know are somewhat the basics. Mostly doing mining and I trained up to Charon which I bought not too long ago. So my question is, do I have to keep training further to Jump freighters and what I have to use my Charon for? I got no corporation, but I want to go for the PVP and I pretty much know I will die if I accept random contracts from stranger spamming in jita. Any tips?
Appreciated lads, cheers!
Wait...whut?
You trained AND bought a Charon...and then come asking why you need one?
In what reality does that make sense?
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4003
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:12:44 -
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There is too much competition among courier contractors, meaning there's basically no money to be made in doing them.
It pays worse than *mining*, and you are putting a lot of capital at risk to make other people rich.
I recently spotted a trade opportunity and bought 3 billion ISK worth of goods in Amarr and 70 million in a system adjacent to Amarr, and shipped them down to Dodixie to resell for 3.7 billion. 70 million of the goods were lost to a gank, entirely at the cost of the hauler (who had to pay me a 75 or 80 million ISK failure penalty for the contract). The other 3b arrived safely. I will make 700m on the deal - the haulers got less than 2% of this and took all of the item destruction risk (I still took some risk, with market conditions).
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Kerra Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:49:17 -
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J'Poll wrote:Kerra Khashour wrote:Hey vets and people with more knowledge than me :D Back then I started playing this game, but I stopped and all I can say is I returned because I was craving to play it now when I got time to do it :) I'm really newbie and all I know are somewhat the basics. Mostly doing mining and I trained up to Charon which I bought not too long ago. So my question is, do I have to keep training further to Jump freighters and what I have to use my Charon for? I got no corporation, but I want to go for the PVP and I pretty much know I will die if I accept random contracts from stranger spamming in jita. Any tips?
Appreciated lads, cheers! Wait...whut? You trained AND bought a Charon...and then come asking why you need one? In what reality does that make sense?
Completely right, yeah. All I can say is I did trained it back then when I wasn't really aware and I chose the ships by their exterior. If you are really going to be that hypocrite, leave the thread, please. And for the rest, thanks guys :) I'm kindly interested into the stealth bombers and I might try to deal with one. |
Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.12.09 10:35:44 -
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If you like to fly a freighter, fly a freighter. Public contracts can make you some isk, but not large amounts.
If you want to pvp, sell the freighter. That will allow you to buy like... 300 or so fittet frigs.
Go forth and die!
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Chiana Moro
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.12.09 11:16:35 -
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PvP and freighters sound like a bizarre mix. Until you start moving the corp you are in or consider corp logistics.
But then - what you want to train is for Jump freighters so you can buy your stuff in a trade hub and jump it out to 0.0 or low sec.
That said, jump freighters are hideously expensive.
Stay with your pvp career for now and train those skills. Then when you are established in a decent corp you may be able to afford (or start saving for) a JF and be the logistical hero of the corp or alliance. |
Toshiro Hasegawa
Phoenix Rising Incorporated
110
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Posted - 2014.12.09 17:26:15 -
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If you dont know what you need a Charon for - then you dont need a Charon.
Jump Freighters take way more skills than freighters .. not sure how many more .. but i would think with all the jump skills to V you would be looking at 3+ months. but i am just guessing.
Sell the charon .. you can always buy another when you actually need one.
If you want to learn pvp then take the isk from the charon .. buy lots of cheap frigs and head to low sec .. or better yet join a pvp corp that takes in newer players .. maybe not to train you - but one that doesnt mind new players in the corp asking questions and doing their best .. buy and fit many cheap frigs then give'r.
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Kerra Khashour
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp
Panda Cave
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:22:14 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:If you dont know what you need a Charon for - then you dont need a Charon.
Jump Freighters take way more skills than freighters .. not sure how many more .. but i would think with all the jump skills to V you would be looking at 3+ months. but i am just guessing.
Sell the charon .. you can always buy another when you actually need one.
If you want to learn pvp then take the isk from the charon .. buy lots of cheap frigs and head to low sec .. or better yet join a pvp corp that takes in newer players .. maybe not to train you - but one that doesnt mind new players in the corp asking questions and doing their best .. buy and fit many cheap frigs then give'r.
Actually did that. Joined a very newbie-friendly corporation and they are helping with my first starting in the PVP career. I don't really need cash currently, but if I do - I'm going to sell the Charon. This pretty much answers my questions, thanks for your dedication and time :) safe |
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