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Jaabaa
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:55:00 -
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if players decide to stop playing EVE, and cancel their subscription I can see the following problems currently occurring (as can a few of my directors):
1) A CEO decides to quit, has sole access to the blueprints and the majority of the shares (+50%).
2) A player with valuable items (blueprints and battleships) has the corp property in their hangar.
In the event of (1) a corp is basically dead in the water.
If (2) happens, there may be quite a few people that could use the equipment, and can't.
How to deal with it ?
I'm not sure, but I know that a few people in my corp haven't logged on for weeks, and their equipment might be put to good use for new players and existing corp members.
I would suggest, if I may the following proposals:
(1) The CEO can be voted out, on a simple majority if his account is suspended, if he has 100% of the shares, the shares should be evenly distributed amongst the directors (or members if they don't exist) to allow for a new CEO to be voted in.
(2) With a player (also CEOs) who's account is suspended (cancelled subscription), all of their possessions go into the corp hangar (or impounded) and the character gets a noob ship, in the event that the account is reactivated. That way even the ship they are flying can even be used.
Als, a message being sent to the CEO and directors about the suspension of an account is invaluable, also the change of ownership (via eBay or where/how ever) is a must know for the corp. Who knows who has bought the account, and may now have access to corp property that a "new" member shouldn't have.
Just my thoughts on this, what say you ?
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:57:00 -
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Pay the surrender fee. Regardless of CEO left or not  .
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Data Loss
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Posted - 2003.10.17 23:06:00 -
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yeah screw over the owner of the account right, make him lose everything if he decides to come back
bad idea
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Jaabaa
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Posted - 2003.10.17 23:46:00 -
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The operative word is "if" they come back.
If they come back, I very much doubt that the corp they belong to wouldn't be prepared to return the stuff that the character had before, maybe even better stuff, who knows.
A suspended account isn't good for a corp, if it is a CEO or a player. The resources that the characters have should go to the corp.
If a character is in an NPC corp, then the above shouldn't apply of course.
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Jaabaa - CEO - Dental Drilling Corporation |
Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2003.10.18 01:37:00 -
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So if someone quits the game, or just doesn't log in often enough you think you should be entitled to his stuff? Why stop there?
If someone in your corp works their butt off and buys a bunch of miner2's for their ship but another corp member has a higher mining skill shouldn't the lasers go to the person with the higher skill who can make better use of them? If YOU buy a bunch of 27% cargo expanders but someone else in the corp has a bigger indy, shouldn't they go in his ship where they'll do more good?
Dream on!
Once something is in your personal hanger it's yours. You choose what to do with it and if you want to give away all your stuff that's your choice.
The idea that you lose all the assets you worked for because you don't log on often enough and other people want your stuff is dumb. If your CEO left and nobody else has any shares in the corp then you don't have any claim to any of the corp assets. If he'd have wanted any of you to have that stuff then he'd have given it to you before he left.
If you want a different corp structure, there's nothing to stop the rest of the members from quitting the corp and starting their own. If you all kicked in ISK for BP's then you're out of luck, but no worse off than if he'd have sold all the stuff and ebayed his account.
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Ishta'ka
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Posted - 2003.10.18 04:27:00 -
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I think the idea was not paying for the game anymore. Not inactivity as such.
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LanM
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Posted - 2003.10.18 04:35:00 -
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File a 'other' petition and say whats happened.
The GM's will look into the matter and see when yhey last loged in and actually send that person an email. I know they will becasue it happened to a corp I used to be in. The GM's booted the CEO and promoted the next in line and sudjested guy - and transfered most of the items to him.
Be polite and state the facts. The GM's will look.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.10.18 05:52:00 -
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Well, case 1 was talking about a CEO quitting the game without promoting another corp member to CEO or Director rank. In other words, the only person who can get into the CORPORATE blueprint hangar is no longer playing. It has nothing to do with PRIVATE hangars, only corporate hangars that have very limited access.
I have no idea what the procedure is for voting in a new CEO, but I would HOPE that once a vote is proposed it has a time limit and a majority of the VOTING shares is used to resolve it. Otherwise, an AWOL CEO with 51% ownership could not be replaced by someone who is still playing and the corp would be screwed.
Hopefully a petition could be filed to promote the highest ranking person in the corp to CEO if the current CEO actually quits the game, but I doubt it would be possible until the account actually expired so if he quit with 3 weeks left on his account the corp will be stuck for a while.
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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2003.10.18 23:06:00 -
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It looks like you're assuming that when you join a corp you're entitled to it's assets.
In EVE a corp can't own assets. It can't buy items from the market and it can't sell them and have the money go to the corp wallet. Perhaps some day that will change, but as it stands the CEO is the only one who has full access and control of everything in the corp and as far as the game is concerned he owns it all.
Suppose the following occures:
1. A player does a thousand agent missions and is awarded a miner 2 BP. (original)
This is basicly a license to print money.
2. He's doing a great business selling miner2's and is buying up lots of new toys. So many in fact that his hanger has hundreds of items so he starts a corp to get multiple hangers to organize stuff.
3. After a few weeks he's got so much stuff he decides to share some of the wealth so he invites a few people into the corp. He gives them some limited access, but nobody else gets access to hanger 7 where he keeps his expensive stuff.
4. A few more weeks go by and he's given the other corp members enough stuff to make them all rich, but is getting bored with the lack of new content in the game and decides to take a couple of months off. After checking with CCP and being assured that his character would be kept in the database with all skills and assets intact he informs the corp that he's taking some time away from the game and cancels his account.
5. The remaining members decide they're not happy with all the stuff they've been given and want the rest of the CEO's assets.
This bunch of gimme-gimps manage to convince a GM to give them access to the hanger where the CEO was keeping his stuff.
They take all the stuff including the miner2 BP, sell it all for 10 billion and split the cash then each go start their own corp.
6. 2 months later he reads on a web site that mobile refineries and titans are finally in the game. He's interested in playing again and knows he's got the cash and assets to afford this stuff so he re-activates his account.
He logs back in to find the corp wallet and all the hangers empty.
Since he was the only one that was supposed to have access to this stuff he sends in a petition.
What are CCP supposed to do?
Replace all the stuff he says he lost?
Tell him, "sorry, we stole all your stuff and gave it away"?
Take 10 billion in assets from the person who was appointed CEO while he was gone?
What's the fair solution?
The only one I can see is that CCP shouldn't be changing ownership of items in the first place.
If your CEO leaves without giving away his stuff or his corp, too bad for the rest of you. Suck it up and move on. You're no worse off than if he'd have sold all the stuff and ebayed his account.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.18 23:51:00 -
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Surrender!!
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lokattan
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Posted - 2003.10.19 02:55:00 -
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u all assume that someone comes back...why would they??
they game still has no content or fun.....
if they ever get stations ingame from chaos server it will be after march or something....
it"has" to be on chaos for atleast 4 months before entering tq!!!
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.10.19 06:46:00 -
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Petition it, CCP will do a check for you, then wait 3-5 days and then they will give you the stuff. I know of two cases where this happened.
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