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Petrus Blackshell Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 38	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:16:00 - [31] - Quote Mikkel Lybecker wrote: You not only read it all, you even replied. Welcome to hell, enjoy your stay. Haw haw haw! Hey Spes, you should check out Lord Vaari, of the Church of Providence. I hear he's looking for new companions, and I think you're right up his alley.
Spes Aeternam Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:21:00 - [32] - Quote Why else do you think I'm looking to help from my betters jack. I am a mess. However I have yet to see anyone who will help me on my path to escape damnation.
Mikkel Lybecker Gradient Electus Matari 14	Posted - 2011.11.30 01:24:00 - [33] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: Why else do you think I'm looking to help from my betters jack. I am a mess. However I have yet to see anyone who will help me on my path to escape damnation. Everyone's been helping you, but no-one's telling you what you want to hear, so you're choosing not to listen. Also, what brand of spirits do you prefer? Let me know where you are and I'll contract you some. Now that's it's confirmed that you're a sinner destined for eternal damnation let's get this party started.
Astrid Stjerna Teraa Matar 108	Posted - 2011.11.30 02:31:00 - [34] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: I will take advice on what I should do from my betters, not my lessers. Remember that when you're staring down the barrels of a Jaguar and we 'advise' you to surrender.
Petrus Blackshell Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 38	Posted - 2011.11.30 03:29:00 - [35] - Quote Come to think of it, I don't think escaping Damnation is really that hard. It's really slow.
Half Cocked Jack Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 32	Posted - 2011.11.30 04:49:00 - [36] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: Why else do you think I'm looking to help from my betters jack. I am a mess. However I have yet to see anyone who will help me on my path to escape damnation. EDIT: ((Insert multiple-paragraph, thoughtfully crafted post about self-determination & empowerment, patience, and getting away from familiar climes to become acquainted with one's soul and discover personal salvation here. I wrote a frakking treatise, clicked post, and the forum ate it. It wrote another one, clicked post, and the forum only posted the quotation. I can't be bothered again. ))
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 42	Posted - 2011.11.30 05:20:00 - [37] - Quote To quote the teens who hang out on the street corners on Luminaire, "Cool story, bro". Did the Ministry of Propaganda... I mean the MIO... give you this script? If so, they really need better writers. This yarn would fail as a children's after school program, much less a drama for thoughtful adults. Too formulaic, hackneyed, predictable. Full of poor acting. I give it 1/2 star out of 5. If I'd rented this holo I'd demand a refund. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Arturo Ramirez Preta Light Industries Naraka. 4	Posted - 2011.11.30 07:58:00 - [38] - Quote I'm not sure trading one set of sins for another shinier set of sins is a particularly effective means of escaping damnation. However, what is most important is that you are at peace with your own decisions. As a capsuleer, in the end, it all comes down to you and your choices.
Uraniae Fehrnah Viziam Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2011.11.30 08:09:00 - [39] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: I will take advice on what I should do from my betters, not my lessers. That is a very poor sort of attitude for anyone to have regardless of them being Matari or Amarrian. You should take advice from any who are willing to offer it. This is perhaps the point where you and I differ on the meaning of "taking advice" so I'll be more clear. In my mind, taking someone's advice is simply hearing them out and evaluating what they have said. What you do past that point is naturally up to you. However, if you start to simply dismiss someone's words entirely because they are "beneath you" or your "lesser" then you invariably end up missing out on genuinely good advice, eventually. It is certainly true that Rens is can be one of the more...unkind areas of the Republic, but it is by no means the measure that you should gauge the rest of the Republic upon. Shortly after my own graduation to flight status I ended up living in a quiet corner of the Republic, and I rather enjoyed my time there. Granted I was not wandering from city to city on any of the planets, but I did make it a point to take in the life and atmosphere aboard a variety of stations, including a few that were directly under the control of one tribe or another. Furthermore, after relocating back within Empire borders I found myself rather interested in Matari culture and in particular Matari spirituality. I've had the honor of being able to sit and listen, to watch and learn, from three separate tribal shamans. In the span of roughly 4 months I've come to greatly admire and appreciate Matari tradition. In those few months not only did I learn a good deal, but I like to think I also helped a few others on their own paths through life. All that aside for a moment, I was born and raised under a traditional Amarrian roof. The Empire and to some extent always will be. I may take the time to learn of the Matari, the Gallente, the Sani Sabik, and yes even Sansha's Nation, but I have lived my life as an Amarrian (some, myself included, would say a rather poor example of one.) So, you're asking for advice on how to proceed, how to atone. Well here is my advice. Accept what you have done. Accept that it has left an indelible stain upon your soul. Do not let yourself foolishly think anything you can do will somehow make up for what you have done. Then and only then can you choose a path for your life and walk it with any honesty. If you can lay in bed, still, quiet, and calm in the middle of the night and be honest with yourself, ask yourself something. "How best do I serve God, by dismissing and ignoring some of His children, or by embracing them?"
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 306	Posted - 2011.11.30 10:11:00 - [40] - Quote You know, usually I'd mourn the loss of a Minmatar tribesman to the barbarity and squalor of the Amarr Empire. But you know what, guys? You can have this one. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor Animated Corporate Logos
Kalaratiri Teraa Matar 37	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:13:00 - [41] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: You know, usually I'd mourn the loss of a Minmatar tribesman to the barbarity and squalor of the Amarr Empire. But you know what, guys? You can have this one. Pretty much my feeling at this point. Not to sound mean Spes, but you are gonna end with nobody wanting you, if you keep this up.
Kentt Em'asep Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.11.30 11:49:00 - [42] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Pretty much my feeling at this point. Not to sound mean Spes, but you are gonna end with nobody wanting you, if you keep this up. Indeed... that does seem to be the direction this is going unless someone decides to teach him. Be that either that us Matari folk are not just random merry bands of thugs, or his old Amarr friends decide to teach him how to properly learn his place in their little empire. When I had stopped my talking and took a step back to simply observe, there is something about him that's just... entertaining. I don't think though that that is the right word for it, but it's in the general neighborhood. It's not intended to sound rude, but the word is at the tip of my tougue.
Half Cocked Jack Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 32	Posted - 2011.11.30 15:31:00 - [43] - Quote Let me try this again. Communications channels are unreliable where I currently am, although I suppose this just goes to prove how much I believe in the advice I'm about to give you. I can't devote much time to this message, as I'm participating in an indigenous whaling custom soon. The next time I am in pod, I will contract you a shuttle. My advice to you: go away. Leave this monochromatic maelstrom that has become so typical for Imperial-Republican combative culture. Explore backwater systems that are disconnected from the banalities of the mainstream--or leave the polities entirely--and practice the art of observing, engaging, studying, and generally getting-to-know humanity as it really is in its many diverse forms. In the process, you will get to know yourself. Nobody else can offer you absolution for your sins. If anyone claims they can, they are in worse shape than you. For your past, God forgives you. I forgive you. But that matters naught unless you can forgive yourself. What you need is the time and space necessary to reflect upon your life, contemplate your self, and cultivate your soul. As long as you are reacting to the whims of others...as long as you are trying to find a place in some other grand scheme, you will always be a slave. And don't be hasty about settling on your ultimate role in life. It is only an easy choice to a slave. Commitment to an ongoing journey of self discovery and cultivation is the greatest penance for the sinner and the best way to to attain mastery over one's self. All you need is patience, volition, paths to travel, and a good pair of boots. In short, you don't need a place or a station--you need a journey. And you don't need salvation. It is already offered to you with an open hand if you'll just grasp it. This advice may mean nothing to you--but if you are asking for help, this is what I have to offer. It worked for me.
Mikkel Lybecker Gradient Electus Matari 15	Posted - 2011.11.30 16:17:00 - [44] - Quote Half Cocked Jack wrote: In short, you don't need a place or a station--you need a journey. Yeah, a journey to prison. Let's not get too touchy-feely here with the "look deep within yourself" routine. Remember this person murdered a bunch of people, not just holders but children, who weren't enslaving him or doing anything bad but just happened to be there. The way I see it, he's got two choices: 1. Accept that he is murdering scum and not worthy of salvation or anything else. Live the rest of his life as an outcast, despised by all, even pirates (if there's one thing they hate it's thieves within their own). 2. Atone - properly. Go directly to jail. Do not pass market hubs, do not collect 200 ISK. The other possibility is he's lying, which is just like 1. except instead of hating him because he's a murdering thief, everyone is going to hate him because he's a liar, and not just a liar, but a stupid liar, because you have to be pretty dumb to lie about something like what's he (possibly) lying about. In any event he either goes behind bars or I don't take him seriously.
Spes Aeternam Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.11.30 16:30:00 - [45] - Quote I do find it ironic that someone who has callously slaughtered hundreds of ships is calling me out for being a criminal. I've seen your kills and you can hardly consider half of them to be even legitimate, just pirating. This is why its important to have some filtering of whom you listen to. It's been nearly a day since I have returned to Amarr space and have taken up to doing missions for the Amarr navy. I eagerly look forward to more chances to prove myself to the empire. Perhaps in time I'll be trusted well enough to join the 24th someday.
Petrus Blackshell Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 39	Posted - 2011.11.30 17:33:00 - [46] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: Perhaps in time I'll be trusted well enough to join the 24th someday. I sincerely hope so.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 311	Posted - 2011.11.30 17:35:00 - [47] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: I do find it ironic that someone who has callously slaughtered hundreds of ships is calling me out for being a criminal. I find it ironic that a bona fide murderer is moralising. Spes Aeternam wrote: Perhaps in time I'll be trusted well enough to join the 24th someday. Oh, that'd be excellent! Then they could collapse even faster than they are right now. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor Animated Corporate Logos
Petrus Blackshell Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 39	Posted - 2011.11.30 18:07:00 - [48] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: I do find it ironic that someone who has callously slaughtered hundreds of ships is calling me out for being a criminal. I've seen your kills and you can hardly consider half of them to be even legitimate, just pirating. This is why its important to have some filtering of whom you listen to. Wait, what? Electus Matari, anti-pirate alliance, committing piracy? You guys have been holding out! Spes, before making such accusations and making yourself sound even dumber, consider that piracy is defined as destroying the ship of someone who was otherwise oblivious to your evil intentions, and was occupied elsewise, most likely not in a combat manner. -EM- do not shoot neutral entities, and have an explicit and public list of entities they consider enemies, and who should be aware they will get shot on sight. And in case you still consider yourself too superior to listen to anyone in this thread... I never thought I'd say this, but... Is there a fundamentalist Amarr in the house? Someone with a stick up their rear end, preferably? PIE? CVA? ...IPHAR?
Half Cocked Jack Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 32	Posted - 2011.12.01 00:12:00 - [49] - Quote I find my touchy-feelyness preferable to your unimaginative, tit-for-tat justice, Captain Lybecker. Personal freedom is not easy to earn, and there will almost always be casualties. Is this not what the entire confrontational stance the Republic adopts against the Empire is predicated on? We're all criminals in our own way, and I can guarantee I have been responsible for the deaths of more innocent men, women, and children than this Spes character, and I will not be turning myself over to any correctional facilities for crimes committed in the Republic...or the Empire for that matter. His most recent comment renders the discussion moot, however. I'll not despise him because of his crimes, but I will despise him for being weak. A little lost puppy looking for a foot at which to heel...such a waste of a capsuleer.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 43	Posted - 2011.12.01 01:06:00 - [50] - Quote Enjoy your few minutes in the sun Spes. I suspect that now that you've returned to the scene of your self-confessed crimes the imperial authorities will be most anxious to speak with you. Oh well, you didn't want your potential offspring to be free for 9 generations anyway, did you? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Mikkel Lybecker Gradient Electus Matari 21	Posted - 2011.12.01 03:29:00 - [51] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Enjoy your few minutes in the sun Spes. I suspect that now that you've returned to the scene of your self-confessed crimes the imperial authorities will be most anxious to speak with you. Oh well, you didn't want your potential offspring to be free for 9 generations anyway, did you? Yeah, don't worry - he's really not into that whole "freedom" thing, he's made that clear.
Spes Aeternam Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.01 05:18:00 - [52] - Quote Good news! It would appear as if none of my superiors would like to deal with me directly. Which, I couldn't blame them. I am practically a monster at this point. From the sounds of it, one that keeps bad little Matari awake at night. But, It would seem like I do have an anonymous donor, providing all the auto-cannons and bullets I can imagine. He has been more than generous providing me with new guns and other equipment for one single task. I have been instructed to burn every Matari ship I come across, strait down to their frames. Slaughter ever single person aboard and assure no survivors. I can't wait to get started, be a lesson for anyone who would dare to leave the empire for a life of sin like me. Salvation though 200mm rounds at a time! Better to burn alive in the lifeless void of space than spend eternity in hell for sins.
Uraniae Fehrnah Viziam Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2011.12.01 06:54:00 - [53] - Quote Ahh yes, now that makes all sorts of sense. You turn your back on your upbringing in the Faith, going so far as to murder your Holder and his family, fail to make any meaningful effort to learn of your Matari heritage, and return to the Empire as nothing more than a slightly remorseful dog who, in spite of all your professed regret and desire to atone, end up yipping and wagging your tail for the first person to buy you some toys and tell you everything will be alright if you go and take more lives. I could easily echo the sentiments of some of the other Matari speaking up here and say you bring shame to your people and your blood, but I won't. I'm not Matari, I can't rightly claim to be ashamed of your words and actions. Shame wouldn't be the right term anyway, not with this most recent declaration to destroy every Matari ship you come across. No, shame is not what I feel Instead of shame, I'm rather offended that you are considering yourself one of the Amarrian Faithful. It is no less than utterly repugnant that you'll be flying around on a trek of murder and mayhem in the name of a God of which you have quite clearly failed to learn about. At this point I no longer mourn for your slain Holder. If you are any indication of the products of his stewardship then he was clearly failing in his duty to you and to God.
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2011.12.01 07:09:00 - [54] - Quote What the hell are they teaching in the academies these days? What has happened to screening processes? If I had 100 isk for every 10 second old pilot to come in here either proclaiming to be a special snowflake, some kind of hardcore psycho killer, or the universe's savior I'd be a very wealthy man. Instead of talking about how many Minmatar you plan to kill Pilot Aeternam you should first look up the word humility on your datapad, then attempt to practice it. Or, continue yapping like an insufferable little dog until you **** someone off who will make it their personal quest to blow your (likely poorly fitted) ships and clones out of the skies as often as possible.
Astrid Stjerna Teraa Matar 111	Posted - 2011.12.01 16:57:00 - [55] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: Good news! It would appear as if none of my superiors would like to deal with me directly. Which, I couldn't blame them. I am practically a monster at this point. From the sounds of it, one that keeps bad little Matari awake at night. But, It would seem like I do have an anonymous donor, providing all the auto-cannons and bullets I can imagine. He has been more than generous providing me with new guns and other equipment for one single task. I have been instructed to burn every Matari ship I come across, strait down to their frames. Slaughter ever single person aboard and assure no survivors. I can't wait to get started, be a lesson for anyone who would dare to leave the empire for a life of sin like me. Salvation though 200mm rounds at a time! Better to burn alive in the lifeless void of space than spend eternity in hell for sins. Don't come after me. Don't come after my friends. You'll float home.
Kalaratiri Teraa Matar 38	Posted - 2011.12.01 17:21:00 - [56] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: Don't come after my friends. Especially cos I'm willing to bet you've got more friends than him
Petrus Blackshell Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 49	Posted - 2011.12.01 17:34:00 - [57] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Astrid Stjerna wrote: Don't come after my friends. Especially cos I'm willing to bet you've got more friends than him I just noticed... are all you ladies in Teraa Matar tattooed?
Astrid Stjerna Teraa Matar 112	Posted - 2011.12.01 17:46:00 - [58] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Astrid Stjerna wrote: Don't come after my friends. Especially cos I'm willing to bet you've got more friends than him I just noticed... are all you ladies in Teraa Matar tattooed? It's not specific to Teraa Matar, but yes, most of us have tattoos.
Petrus Blackshell Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan 49	Posted - 2011.12.01 18:05:00 - [59] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: It's not specific to Teraa Matar, but yes, most of us have tattoos. That's pretty awesome. Too few people appreciate the value of the tribal tattoo.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 44	Posted - 2011.12.01 18:14:00 - [60] - Quote Spes Aeternam wrote: Good news! It would appear as if none of my superiors would like to deal with me directly. Which, I couldn't blame them. I am practically a monster at this point. From the sounds of it, one that keeps bad little Matari awake at night. But, It would seem like I do have an anonymous donor, providing all the auto-cannons and bullets I can imagine. He has been more than generous providing me with new guns and other equipment for one single task. I have been instructed to burn every Matari ship I come across, strait down to their frames. Slaughter ever single person aboard and assure no survivors. I can't wait to get started, be a lesson for anyone who would dare to leave the empire for a life of sin like me. Salvation though 200mm rounds at a time! Better to burn alive in the lifeless void of space than spend eternity in hell for sins. The worst little kids always make the most noise when trying to get the attention of adults. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.

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