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Weihaiya Onimiko
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Posted - 2006.09.08 00:52:00 -
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* A picture flickers on screen. A young Khanid woman walks into view, outfit complete with ceremonial sword and religous artifacts. She sits down, pushes a strand of hair out of her face and speaks a measured tone *
I have felt moved as of recent to make a transmission regarding what I believe must be said, on the issue of slavery and common misconceptions.
It is not our buisness nor our mission to opress and beat those under our care, like the Minmatar. Those cases that do happen are isolated incidents by those who not in line with Scripture.
Our buisness is to save the lost. The mission of the Amarr is lead others to enlightment, a mission I believe most heartily in. Even though as Khanid I will never be on the same level as the chosen, I will continue to work towards the fufillment of this mission. The bringing of all peoples to salvation
Sadly the Minmatar, and thier Gallente friends, seem to miss the message. Though they keep ranting about thier "freedom" and how they are being opressed many of them don't even though what it is they are objecting too. A very annoying, though sadly widespread, situation. They are not aware that we are offering them a greater freedom then just living out on the streets. Sadly many turn to pirtacy and terrorism, and we are forced to fight them in a battle that is not restricted to this realm, but of a higher plane as well.
However the terrorists will fail, their plan will be confounded and ultimatly we will triumph, in this I believe wholeheartdly. So take heart my breathern, never stop believing, with faith as our shield we will prevail!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 02:26:00 -
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I'm impressed.
Not often one sees someone so incredibly naive, must be setting some kind of record there.
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.08 02:54:00 -
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I guess god doesn't teach his followers how to spell.
In rust we trust!!! |
Arushia
TEK Inc.
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.08 03:02:00 -
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Nothing to see here but another Blue Pill junkie, move along.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.08 03:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'm impressed.
Not often one sees someone so incredibly naive, must be setting some kind of record there.
Since when were you anti-"God's message"? I always knew you as the hard arsed business type, but I didn't realise you had gone against the faith already.
And Khanid, you're failing drastically. There's blood spilt on your doorstep and I've heard your cries. Don't worry, big ol' Amarr will turn up to pat you on the head or... something.
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Shaikar
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 04:05:00 -
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Well said Weihaiya.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 08:46:00 -
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I haven't gone against the faith at all.
But people who honestly believe that we're here to enlighten the subhumans aren't just deluding themselves, they're making the rest of us look like idiots when they go around spouting that utter rot.
We keep slaves because it's our right, it's our tradition and it's an integral part of our economy.
Now until someone is strong enough to make us stop, slavery is here to stay.
It's not about religion or enlightening the lesser races, it's about money and power.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I haven't gone against the faith at all.
But people who honestly believe that we're here to enlighten the subhumans aren't just deluding themselves, they're making the rest of us look like idiots when they go around spouting that utter rot.
We keep slaves because it's our right, it's our tradition and it's an integral part of our economy.
Now until someone is strong enough to make us stop, slavery is here to stay.
It's not about religion or enlightening the lesser races, it's about money and power.
Try telling that to the billions of Ni-Kunni and Udorians who are now free.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 10:39:00 -
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Enlightenment may be a side effect of slavery over a very extended period of time, but it's most certainly not the reason we keep slaves, anyone who believes that is deluding himself or failing at a very weak piece of propaganda. |
Wanoah
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I haven't gone against the faith at all.
But people who honestly believe that we're here to enlighten the subhumans aren't just deluding themselves, they're making the rest of us look like idiots when they go around spouting that utter rot.
We keep slaves because it's our right, it's our tradition and it's an integral part of our economy.
Now until someone is strong enough to make us stop, slavery is here to stay.
It's not about religion or enlightening the lesser races, it's about money and power.
That sort of honesty isn't popular round these parts. It throws a spanner in the works of PIE & co's propaganda machine. Of course, the rest of us see through it and always have, but most of you Amarrians persist in your deluded ways anyway. Probably out of habit.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Enlightenment may be a side effect of slavery over a very extended period of time, but it's most certainly not the reason we keep slaves, anyone who believes that is deluding himself or failing at a very weak piece of propaganda.
If it was about money, then robots would be more efficient and profitable.
If it was about power, then slaves would never be released.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2006.09.08 14:54:00 -
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If it was about money, then robots would be more efficient and profitable.
Wrong. I admit there are cases where robots are cheaper and of course a lot more reliable than slaves. Industrial work in factories comes to my mind. In most cases slaves, often outfitted with machinery, can do a much better job at a much lower cost. The key is to reduce the costs. Some slaveholders feel too much pity for their slavestock which leads into ruin. My slaves make a good profit because I know how to make profit with slaves. I would switch to robots if robots would make more profit.
If it was about power, then slaves would never be released.
Wrong. Released slaves can give you even more power. What is more usefull? An enlightened and released Ni-Kunni who is working for you and for his own reputation in the face of God or one of the very few Ni-Kunni who still refuse to see the light? Power hungry men releasing slaves too early is the menace worth mentioning in this context.
The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enenemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled, says Book I of our scriptures.
This lines are often the source for different interpretations. Some Amarr seem to see the enemies of the inside (slaves, foreign infiltrators, heretics ...) have a right of salvation which they can demand from Amarr. This Amarr try with great efforts to enlighten every single heathen. Sometimes with some astonishing results, I must admit. Elite slaves or Kameiras come to my mind. A man who managed to teach an ape to speak a few words is something very similar. This is a great achievement we can salute in a circus. Nevertheless talking apes will stay the exeption and never become the norm. Trying to do so is a waste of resources and I doubt wasting resources can be the will of God.
So what about Udorians and Ni-Kunni? ThatĘs a very different topic because they are for sure not subhumans. They never were. They always had the potential to understand the teachings of God. During the past 1000 years we should have learned a subhuman does not have this potential. The Minmatar are wild beasts utterly refusing our benevolenz. It is not a sin trying to teach them and to give them this chance as long as itĘs not a waste of time and resources, though.
Believe me when I say I would be very pleased to see all Minmatar bowing to their superiors to show they have at least learned the very first lesson: submission is not weakness but a show of respect. From my experience Minmatar are rebels by nature. Those Minmatar who do not rebel are liars for their own advantage. They lie to you 1000 times or more until you make the mistake to trust them, then they will stab you in the back. A tamed Minmatar like a tiger in a circus? Maybe thatĘs possible. An enlightened Minmatar? Impossible from my experience.
What should we do to please God? I say following his example is a good idea. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood, says Book II of our scriptures.
Idonis Ardishapur without a doubt was a great man, a religious figurehead. He had shown us his interpretation of the scriptures and I donĘt recall anyone calling him a heretic.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.08 15:02:00 -
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The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enenemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled, says Book I of our scriptures.
My interpretation on this is the objective is to cultivate the spirit of man, and the rest is the means of doing so.
Yes, slavery can be very profitable.
Yes, slavery bestows power and prestige upon the slaver.
But these are simply side effects.
The purpose of slavery is to cultivate the spirit of the slaves through a system of control.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 21:00:00 -
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Maybe the purpose of the slavery you practice, but it's certainly not where our slavery began or what it's traditional role has been and continues to be, nor what is most common in the Empire today.
The number of slavers whose primary goal with holding slaves is to enlighten them I would estimate at 0.00001% of all slavers in the Empire.
You're delusional if you think it was a benevolent attitude that reigned supreme among those who founded our great traditions and Empire, I'm sure power, the will to dominate, and accrue wealth were the catalysts, not benevolence, sympathy and good will or some such utter rot.
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Tar Magen
Amarr
Arx Amarria
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Posted - 2006.09.08 23:06:00 -
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Frankly, I applaud the Khanid's statements.
The Minmatar have been demonized more than they truly deserve. Did not a measure of them show loyalty and become the so-named Ammatar, demonstrating that they are not wholey irredeemable? Are not other races such as the Jovians also guilty of resisting enlightenment with force?
It is our right to own slaves, but also our right to release them if we see fit. And what soul has more value to the Lord, one that has sought redemption or one that has spurned it? In actively leading souls to seek redemption, we are doing the Lord's will.
Wealth and power are passing, transitory things. The grace with which one lives one's life matters far more. Slavery for the sake of power and wealth does not grant grace. It disturbs me to hear Amarr openly speak of such things, to declare that they commit the sins of greed and pride and, even more, feel no shame. |
Weihaiya Onimiko
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Posted - 2006.09.09 03:19:00 -
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* the screen flickers again, the young Khanid walks more into view, she appears slightly indignant *
I am appalled, shocked that anyone who calls themself a member of the Amarr race could act like Ms. Thorrk, for you do not deserve the title Lady, is doing.
I mean how could anyone doubt what our purpose, and the purpose of slavery, is? How could an Amarr say that our purpose is not to enlighten the lesser races to the truth? It is beyond my comprehension. Perhaps it is better that I do not understand.
I must thank those who have transmitted thier agreement with me. I thank you my brothers. It is our constant faith that will see us the dark times of now and carry us to the bright and glorious victory to come!
Oh! * The Khanid blushes as though she remembered something * I almost forgot. I have not properly introduced myself have I? How rude of me... I am properly known as Lady Onimiko of House Weihaiya, a warrior House that fought during the Reclaiming. We are a deeply religous House, I was taught at an early these things which I now speak of.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/09/2006 07:17:47
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Maybe the purpose of the slavery you practice, but it's certainly not where our slavery began or what it's traditional role has been and continues to be, nor what is most common in the Empire today.
The number of slavers whose primary goal with holding slaves is to enlighten them I would estimate at 0.00001% of all slavers in the Empire.
You're delusional if you think it was a benevolent attitude that reigned supreme among those who founded our great traditions and Empire, I'm sure power, the will to dominate, and accrue wealth were the catalysts, not benevolence, sympathy and good will or some such utter rot.
We've all seen where this will to power of yours has led you, Tyrrax - political assassination, alcohol distribution and the harbouring of heretics.
Perhaps in the future you should pay more heed to your responsibilities and less to your lust for power.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.09 10:00:00 -
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Weihaiya, clearly you're a religious nutjob so I won't bother speaking sense to you, you'll just absorb it and then exude more naive rhetoric you've been brainwashed with. 
Rodj, what I have done, I have done for the Empire, if I have sought power it is only that I might serve more effectively..
Would you prefer to have an impoverished but pure of heart warrior in an executioner fighting the tides of darkness, or a thousand capsuleer warriors, fully outfitted with the latest technology and working towards the end of enemies of the Empire ?
I assume you'd prefer the impoverished and ineffectual lone warrior, even if someone like me would have a greater effect in the Empire's fight for continued dominance.
I'll fight for the Emperor my way, political assassinations and all, you'll fight for it your way, I'll rest easy in the knowledge that I'll have a greater effect in the long run, while you'll be able to pat yourself on the back for remaining pure and unblemished by the filth I roll around in every day.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.09 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll fight for the Emperor my way, political assassinations and all, you'll fight for it your way,
How can willfully disobeying the Emperor by murdering someone who he has granted safe passage to be considered fighting for the Emperor?
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.09 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 09/09/2006 12:25:02
Sorry I meant Empire, hence why I reffered to the Emperor as "it". 
I won't fight for or support Emperor until we get one worthy of the throne, at least not in any meaningful way, I won't actively oppose since infighting is bad for our Empire's image, but abide by his wishes ? coddle slaves ? Become weak and cowardly like the Gallente ? I'll pass.
Doriam ascended to the throne in an unacceptable ceremony, I cheered when Deathwing attempted to kill him in the inauguration ceremony, I approved when Jamyl Sarum refused to honor the abortion of our traditions.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.09.09 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
You're delusional if you think it was a benevolent attitude that reigned supreme among those who founded our great traditions and Empire, I'm sure power, the will to dominate, and accrue wealth were the catalysts, not benevolence, sympathy and good will or some such utter rot.
You know, there are other ways...
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Zhu Dark
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Posted - 2006.09.09 21:00:00 -
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Interesting
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