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Salvia Olima
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.11.29 08:12:00 -
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"Captains Quarters visual appearance now changesdepending on the security status of the system they are in. If the Captains Quarters look shiny and beautiful in high sec, they now get more dirty and worn deep in null sec."
No, no and no. You build a shiny new outpost with great costs and it is already worn and dirty? You fight and secure an outpost from an enemy alliance and you do not clean it out? ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE, and greatly abjects the real players of this game who had grown out from the tutorial section (highsec) and play EvE at it's full depths.
Please rethink of it CCP: even the opposite would be much more logical - overcrowded hisec stations (Jita 4/4?) with the same amount of janitors can't cope with 100x mess.
Or fix the neatness in line with the offices rent at stations. More crowded -> dirtier.
Please support with yaaay, or resent the idea with a better suggestion. Thank you for sharing. |

Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
66
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Posted - 2011.11.29 08:13:00 -
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who cares
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
103
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Posted - 2011.11.29 08:14:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:Please rethink of it CCP: even the opposite would be much more logical - overcrowded hisec stations (Jita 4/4?) with the same amount of janitors can't cope with 100x mess.
This please, keep our lowsec and 0.0 stations tidy while highsec should look terrible. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |

Angus Thermopollye
Duct Tape Mechanics NZAU Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.29 08:18:00 -
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Srsly? No, no......srsly? |

Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
19
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Posted - 2011.11.29 15:21:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:"Captains Quarters visual appearance now changesdepending on the security status of the system they are in. If the Captains Quarters look shiny and beautiful in high sec, they now get more dirty and worn deep in null sec."
No, no and no. You build a shiny new outpost with great costs and it is already worn and dirty? You fight and secure an outpost from an enemy alliance and you do not clean it out? ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE, and greatly abjects the real players of this game who had grown out from the tutorial section (highsec) and play EvE at it's full depths.
Please rethink of it CCP: even the opposite would be much more logical - overcrowded hisec stations (Jita 4/4?) with the same amount of janitors can't cope with 100x mess.
Or fix the neatness in line with the offices rent at stations. More crowded -> dirtier.
Please support with yaaay, or resent the idea with a better suggestion. Thank you for sharing.
Better suggestion, kill yourself (in game ofc).
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
421
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Posted - 2011.11.29 17:16:00 -
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I think OP has a point Allaince Outposts would be better maintained than some of the pirate stations.
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Alberio
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
22
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:42:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I think OP has a point Allaince Outposts would be better maintained than some of the pirate stations.
Why? Pirates can't be tidy? |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
86
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:42:00 -
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I didn't even notice, the gallente CQ in the station im in seems pretty clean and shiny even though its in nullsec. My alts minmatar CQ in Rens is as dirty as ever (as in no difference from the incarna version) |

Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
4
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:44:00 -
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Frankly I'm amazed they even put that in. I'd rather have resources allocated to implement WiS or more new ships than making texture sets for dirty and clean CQs. |

JagerJake
Rapalje Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:46:00 -
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talk about a wasted thread. |

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
46
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:55:00 -
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Alberio wrote:Pirates can't be tidy?
Totally Valid Point.
I think if anything it's more likely that a materialistic opportunistically-minded narcissistically-motivated gate camper would have a strict upbringing; coupled with parents who did not communicate very well, leading to a very tidy room.
Immaculate, even.
Lest us not forget pirates are the type of people who look at their statistics...a lot.
Attention. Detail. Structure.
An inwardly complex individual with an uncomplicated exterior.
Messy it does not end.
AK
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
70
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:59:00 -
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It's cute but impractical. Nullsec is outside the legal influence of the empires, that does not make it necessarily lawless or, by extension, without rule or order. Dirtiness should be a choice or if it's a penalty then not a penalty for where the player is located.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |

Captain Mastiff
6
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Posted - 2011.11.29 19:49:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:It's cute but impractical. Nullsec is outside the legal influence of the empires, that does not make it necessarily lawless or, by extension, without rule or order. Dirtiness should be a choice or if it's a penalty then not a penalty for where the player is located.
0.0 alliances are outside the legal constraints of the great empires. Why would an alliance purely in it for the ISK be willing to pay for a set of janitors to clean a station top to bottom when they aren't following any other legislations regarding pension schemes, employment and equality.
(My attempt at role playing) |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
166
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Posted - 2011.11.29 19:52:00 -
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It's expensive to keep slaves in nullsec.
Demigods can't be bothered with tidying up the place.
Null is dirty. Working as intended. All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
192
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:35:00 -
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I'd like to see random showers of sparks or maybe camera shakes if an outpost is in reinforced mode. That'd be neat. :3 |

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
70
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:38:00 -
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Captain Mastiff wrote:Why would an alliance purely in it for the ISK be willing to pay for a set of janitors to clean a station top to bottom when they aren't following any other legislations regarding pension schemes, employment and equality.
For the exact same reason they left Empire to live their own lives; Pride.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
70
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:47:00 -
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Gogela wrote:It's expensive to keep slaves in nullsec.
Demigods can't be bothered with tidying up the place.
Null is dirty. Working as intended.
This isn't merely a sloppy pub or the endless corridors connecting a massive, impersonal station. These are the private residences to individuals that command warships and a currency that swamps that of the public.
I don't bother with nullsec and I wouldn't really care about the appearance if I did, but this is an insult to the sensibilities of the people who do have the last word on nullsec territory they painstakingly earned. The assumption that they do not care about details like this, details that CCP has diverted massive resources into creating, is a challenge to their expectations in themselves and a thoughtless gesture from ignorance.
This is the sort of thing worth getting angry about, so shut your damned face and allow others their honest and meaningful opinion.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |

Xtover
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:50:00 -
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Of all the stupid things that are a waste of time to complain about.... |

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:51:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:No, no and no. You build a shiny new outpost with great costs and it is already worn and dirty?
That's eve for you. No cops = people are gonna pee on the walls. |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
16
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:53:00 -
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Arthur Frayn wrote:Salvia Olima wrote:No, no and no. You build a shiny new outpost with great costs and it is already worn and dirty? That's eve for you. No cops = people are gonna pee on the walls.
Considering most Null pilots are a bit more civilized than the rabble in highsec... >_> Regards,
Sgt. Aiwha |

GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:55:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:Please support with yaaay, or resent the idea with a better suggestion. Thank you for sharing.
In keeping with the OP, since I resent your suggestion, I have a better suggestion: you never post again.
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Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:12:00 -
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GavinCapacitor wrote:Salvia Olima wrote:Please support with yaaay, or resent the idea with a better suggestion. Thank you for sharing. In keeping with the OP, since I resent your suggestion, I have a better suggestion: you never post again.
"I disagree with you so please don't allow me to know of your opinion again."
Jackass.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |

Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:15:00 -
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CQ look in low and null could depend on the sec status of the pilot. Just an idea. |

Friek
Jian Products Engineering Group Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:54:00 -
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If this and the Text is the only thing people can complain about i believe CCP had a successful patch. Thank you for listening to the masses instead of blindly going off your gut.
+2 Re subs for me already may it bring a lot more players back, just please never make AURUM affect any of the game mechanics outside clothing. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
239
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:10:00 -
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So now the lowsec CQ looks like the bedrooms and basements in which most EvE players dwell?
I am afraid the problem is not apparent here.
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
121
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:10:00 -
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I think the CQ cleanliness changes based on location is kind of cool actually. |

Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. Blue Moon Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:27:00 -
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Wait wait wait... you use CQ? As in more than once? |

DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
417
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:32:00 -
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So, a Minmatar station in nullsec will explode into duct tape and rust if you enter the CQ? |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
204
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:35:00 -
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Meh cleanliness should be tied to population density. So some outpost in null with hardly any traffic should be spotless. And Jita 4-4 should have people living in cages 10 to a room, Hong-Kong or Japan style (in Japan the cages are just nicer).
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cyndrogen
Night's Shadows TriMark Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:38:00 -
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Failure to pay maintenance fees will weather your CQ, that would be nice. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:41:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Failure to pay maintenance fees will weather your CQ, that would be nice.
LOL that would be a cool added touch. |

Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:42:00 -
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If you want a tidy CQ pay a cleaner in ISK. |

GavinCapacitor
CaeIum Incognitum
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:18:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:GavinCapacitor wrote:Salvia Olima wrote:Please support with yaaay, or resent the idea with a better suggestion. Thank you for sharing. In keeping with the OP, since I resent your suggestion, I have a better suggestion: you never post again. "I disagree with you so please don't allow me to know of your opinion again." Jackass.
Hey now, no need to be hostile. You asked for people opinions. My opinion was that this idea is bad. You also asked for better suggestions. I suggested that this forum would be less cluttered with bad threads/posts if you stopped posting. You are the one spitefully misquoting people and calling them names (for shame).
tl;dr; ask for X. get X. get mad.
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:22:00 -
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Get use to cleaning your room. It's good for the spirit. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
252
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:24:00 -
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If CCP is going to do this then it should be based on Sov mechanics. Systems that go unused and have low sov can rot and the stations with them. High population and high sov systems should look nice. Lowsec and Highsec should not be effected by this at all. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:25:00 -
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Is this a precursor to the ****** garage (free) / pretty garage (premium) shenanigans of WoT? |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
313
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:31:00 -
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Dirty, dirty nullbears...
It should cost Aur to hire a maid. |

Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
134
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:12:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Salvia Olima wrote:Please rethink of it CCP: even the opposite would be much more logical - overcrowded hisec stations (Jita 4/4?) with the same amount of janitors can't cope with 100x mess.
This please, keep our lowsec and 0.0 stations tidy while highsec should look terrible.
I actually have to agree with this logic.
High sec stations see far more use and are run by NPC corporations that either don't care or won't pay to constantly clean and renovate the CQ's for every capsuleer that decides to dock. By contrast, nulsec stations are run by private corporations and alliances that would have the ability to constantly clean the CQ's.
Lowsec stations however should be dirty. They're run by the same NPC corporations as highsec stations and along with being in lowsec would be of lower priority than even the highsec stations.
I'm going to add that all amarr stations in highsec at least should be clean, because they presumably have a slave labor force to do the cleaning for free. |

ColdCutz
Pwny Nation
4
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:23:00 -
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Arthur Frayn wrote:Salvia Olima wrote:No, no and no. You build a shiny new outpost with great costs and it is already worn and dirty? That's eve for you. No cops = people are gonna pee on the walls. Exactly. This is what happens when CQ's have no bathrooms.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
340
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Posted - 2011.12.14 00:31:00 -
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eve has cq? I'm a ******* profanity filter that can catch **** and *****, but fuckin little else. -á
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:32:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Dirty, dirty nullbears...  It should cost Aur to hire a maid. 
I'll pay double for a French maid. |

Selinate
155
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:00:00 -
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was just out in Guristas space, didn't notice that much dirt.... |

Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
253
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Posted - 2011.12.14 06:43:00 -
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Change how clean it is by standings against station owner. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
321
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Posted - 2011.12.14 07:25:00 -
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Easy fix, low sec stations are dirty and grimy, 0.0 stations CAN be dirty and grimy but get cleaner as the Sov levels rise.
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Michael Scar
Dunder Mifflin Paper Co.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.14 07:28:00 -
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OMG I never noticed this, what a huge waste of time when there are much more urgent graphics issues like my tengu flying backwards for like half a year now. seriously CCP come on, just come on! |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
195
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Posted - 2011.12.14 07:35:00 -
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highsec would be clean that is obvious you should be able to use slaves or janitor to clean up your CQ anywhere else. |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.12.14 07:49:00 -
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Lol.  You guys are funny. Thought no-one used cq anyway?
Michael Scar wrote:OMG I never noticed this, what a huge waste of time when there are much more urgent graphics issues like my tengu flying backwards for like half a year now. seriously CCP come on, just come on!
Have you cleared your cache? That should fix it.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:02:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I think OP has a point Allaince Outposts would be better maintained than some of the pirate stations.
Dont know .. most pirate factions are former high military officers and/or leaders. I bet they would not tolerate mess.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
357
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:12:00 -
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inb4 "how often do you clean your room" question in the character creator. a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
61
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:12:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:greatly abjects the real players of this game who had grown out from the tutorial section (highsec) and play EvE at it's full depths.
I like the idea, but you arent getting a like due to :flamebait:
heres a tip for you: if you are looking for support don't alienate most of the eve population in your post  IF post = alt AND subject is positive for goons THEN assume goon alt post. |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
20
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:52:00 -
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My quarters would be littered with dead little girls....
So how about it? |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:53:00 -
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Zowie Powers wrote:My quarters would be littered with dead little girls....
So how about it?
Well i am not about to judge your taste, but i find it slightly disturbing. |

Grukni
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
26
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:56:00 -
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-+Has this made into TQ? I haven't noticed any change in dirtiness. |

Seleia O'Sinnor
Arklight Project Fade 2 Black
50
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:01:00 -
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I think OP is right, however CCP won't care. They got this shiny/dirty feature deployed now it'll be another 18 months to change the logic for it.
The hulls of ships should get dirty as well when entering low sec. It's a filthy place, using a stargate to enter will smear grime over your hull. There should be space pollution as well and useless junk flying around, even dead Tribbles floating by would do.
It's common knowledge that criminals are dirty scallywags.  Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |

Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
20
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:11:00 -
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I think CCP has it right and I'll tell you why.
Civilisation sets us apart from the animal world in many ways. If we return out of civilisation for any of your favourite reasons, nuclear war, famine, zombie apocalypse, I believe the first thing we'll relinquish is a sense of cleanliness followed by any sense of privacy.
Frontiers are untidy places. However, if Sov rises, then it's no longer a frontier, cleanliness, privacy and self respect should come with that.
Google street view can help you with this concept. You can find places where Beverly Hills 90210 was filmed, you can also find places where The Wire was filmed. There appears to be a marked difference based on class and lawlessness. Coincidence? I think not.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
334
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:47:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:"Captains Quarters visual appearance now changesdepending on the security status of the system they are in. If the Captains Quarters look shiny and beautiful in high sec, they now get more dirty and worn deep in null sec."
No, no and no. You build a shiny new outpost with great costs and it is already worn and dirty? You fight and secure an outpost from an enemy alliance and you do not clean it out? ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE, and greatly abjects the real players of this game who had grown out from the tutorial section (highsec) and play EvE at it's full depths.
Please rethink of it CCP: even the opposite would be much more logical - overcrowded hisec stations (Jita 4/4?) with the same amount of janitors can't cope with 100x mess.
Or fix the neatness in line with the offices rent at stations. More crowded -> dirtier.
Please support with yaaay, or resent the idea with a better suggestion. Thank you for sharing.
Or make the ones with better a hub and better rates and what not look better also. Low sec station residents would be by extension filthier. Some pirates might be tidy, but they wouldn't run around with a mop and bucket either.
edit: providing this is not a troll
edit: providing "filthy" is not merely having some quafe cans and a binbag in your quaters (thats actually cleaning up) - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Soldarius
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:10:00 -
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lol, 8/10. 3 pages of responses and reasonable discussion about something completely pointless.
You have learned well, young pod-pilot. Excellent troll. Would have been better is it were somehow impressive. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
14
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:16:00 -
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I always knew nullsecers are dirty little messies...  |

Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
66
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:23:00 -
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Its not dirty in null, its just through biter null eyes everything seems dirty, tarnished and broken and that everything in highsec is better.  |

Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
66
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:31:00 -
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The system maintence bots in high sec have spare time to keep things clean... The system maintence bots in null sec are too busy repairing bullet holes... |
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