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Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4423	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:12:32 - [31] - Quote I find it hard to believe that OP is at a NPC station with no other NPC stations within a short hop of 4 jumps. When I hit the 4 hour limit, I either do something else, or go to a different agent (same corp, or another corp). The benefit of faction standing is you can access agents of the same level for any corp in that faction.
Algathas Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad. 50	Posted - 2014.12.12 00:52:30 - [32] - Quote Many missions against empire factions drop tags worth a lot , sometimes much more than a normal mission. So you could think of these missions as an opportunity to make faster isk.
Don Cordelion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:32:18 - [33] - Quote Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes. You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128 http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf Quote: CCP Soniclover - I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages people to log out. -- CCP Soniclover - We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry. They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it. So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5007	Posted - 2014.12.14 12:14:55 - [34] - Quote Don Cordelion wrote: Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes. You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128 http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf Quote: CCP Soniclover - I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages people to log out. -- CCP Soniclover - We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry. They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it. So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point. So, yet again CCP will dumb down EVE more to suit the stupid people that are too lazy to move to a back up agent in case they run into this. Really, EVE ever since we got the new head of dev, is turning into WoW in space if they keep giving all those whining cry babies what they ask for. Next step: They will remove the levels on agents. Cause it's just boring and takes time to grind to a level 4 agent. I want good payment and I want it NOW... p.s. You know how much you would take information in CSM minutes as serious: 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 If we would get what is said there, POS system would have been overhauled at least 3 times already and we would have been on the 4th or 5th SOV system already. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Don Cordelion School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.12.14 12:48:14 - [35] - Quote J'Poll wrote: So, yet again CCP will dumb down EVE more to suit the stupid people that are too lazy to move to a back up agent in case they run into this. Really, EVE ever since we got the new head of dev, is turning into WoW in space if they keep giving all those whining cry babies what they ask for. Next step: They will remove the levels on agents. Cause it's just boring and takes time to grind to a level 4 agent. I want good payment and I want it NOW... I don't think anyone else apart from you is sounding like whiny crybaby. Stupid mechanics are stupid and they should be fixed.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5008	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:45:12 - [36] - Quote Don Cordelion wrote: J'Poll wrote: So, yet again CCP will dumb down EVE more to suit the stupid people that are too lazy to move to a back up agent in case they run into this. Really, EVE ever since we got the new head of dev, is turning into WoW in space if they keep giving all those whining cry babies what they ask for. Next step: They will remove the levels on agents. Cause it's just boring and takes time to grind to a level 4 agent. I want good payment and I want it NOW... I don't think anyone else apart from you is sounding like whiny crybaby. Stupid mechanics are stupid and they should be fixed. I can see that it can be very annoying. Then again, there is already a very simple and easy solution there. So I would say it doesn't really need fixing as there is an easy work around already there. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Jurico Elemenohpe 14th Legion The Bloc 32	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:05:45 - [37] - Quote I don't understand the problem, since I've never declined a story line mission, but what's wrong withh declining it and then running missions? I thought the only 4h thing was after declining a mission, any more declines during that period will give a standings loss.
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Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 779	Posted - 2014.12.14 16:46:02 - [39] - Quote Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: I don't understand the problem, since I've never declined a story line mission, but what's wrong withh declining it and then running missions? I thought the only 4h thing was after declining a mission, any more declines during that period will give a standings loss. He's not talking about storyline missions. You can decline those easily because they come from a different agent. He's talking about getting two "shoot Caldari" mission in a row. Normally if you are grinding, you'll have so much extra standing with the agent and corp that you can decline the second one despite the penalty and never lose access to any agents (at least with SOE...maybe not with one of the more trigger happy faction factions). Don Cordelion wrote: Stupid mechanics are stupid and they should be fixed. Remove missions? Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* GSLLC is recruiting
TRONEON GAME GRID 9	Posted - 2014.12.14 18:28:27 - [40] - Quote Don Cordelion wrote: Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes. You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128 http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf Quote: CCP Soniclover - I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages people to log out. -- CCP Soniclover - We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry. They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it. So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point. Oh wow thanks for finding that, glad they are taking into account, it does make you want to log out and come back later rather then actually play. It discourages new players is what I was trying to say but I was terrible at explaining.
Jurico Elemenohpe 14th Legion The Bloc 34	Posted - 2014.12.14 23:03:01 - [41] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: I don't understand the problem, since I've never declined a story line mission, but what's wrong withh declining it and then running missions? I thought the only 4h thing was after declining a mission, any more declines during that period will give a standings loss. He's not talking about storyline missions. You can decline those easily because they come from a different agent. He's talking about getting two "shoot Caldari" mission in a row. Normally if you are grinding, you'll have so much extra standing with the agent and corp that you can decline the second one despite the penalty and never lose access to any agents (at least with SOE...maybe not with one of the more trigger happy faction factions). Don Cordelion wrote: Stupid mechanics are stupid and they should be fixed. Remove missions? ah, rgr. If you really care about that, grind all your faction standings up to 10. That should last you a couple years of missions. Good luck.
Matee Danek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.19 07:48:28 - [42] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Centis Adjani wrote: TRONEON wrote: I may give up on missions completely and do something else, since if I am having to reject missions all the time due to standings loss and constantly being told "sorry we dont want you to play our content for 4-12 hours please GTFO" then it is not worth the waiting time and loss of game time / isk making. I know some people will disagree but it's my opinion, it's not fun or good game design, especially for new players. It's even made me think if it's worth subscribing after my trial ends. The design is made because you should not do missions for ONE agent/corp only. You should get to know the universe and fly around. Do missions simultanously for different agents in different stations / different corps. Open the Agent finder and search for a system or constellation were several agents of the level you want are around in different stations. And additional you can fly for different factions simultaniously. Because in space of one faction (Gallente for example) exist stations / corps from the other factions (Caldari, Minimatar, Amarr) too. In wait times of one Agent which gave you a mission you declined, you can fly for the other agents / corps then. Edit: And a tip how to reach Level 3 security missions for a given corp fastest.. Take a Nereus and do Distribution missions. They are very fast to do so it takes not long to reach the standing for Level 3 missions. Ty for help but none of what you said solves the issue I am having and the poor game design, I don't want to have to fly around all over the place wasting time being bored, I don't have 12 hours a day to play and should not be restricted for 4-8hrs from doing missions, that is just how I feel about it. As for the fast track to lvl 3 missions the way I managed it was to do all the tutorial career agent missions which gave free ships / skillbooks / loot and quite a bit of standings, then did an epic story arc and a few lvl 2 missions hardly any and I was ready for lvl 3 missions before I could even afford my first battlecruiser. Just a shame I can't even run lvl 3 missions when I would like to and when I have the time to play because constantly blocked from doing so. I don't understand why you care about standings so much. What's the big deal? Don't they go down from Faction Warfare anyway?
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 85	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:08:27 - [43] - Quote Mate, people are telling you how to get past your problem. Continuing to whine that it sucks is just silly. Either mission for another faction (yeah it involves moving - EVE is a big place), take the faction hit, or find something else to do with your time. There is a reason why these missions come up - you are doing missions for an NPC faction that has 'issues' with other factions. No one is saying that missions in EVE are brilliant, but that particular element makes sense. / thread
TRONEON GAME GRID 9	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:19:08 - [44] - Quote Tuscor wrote: Mate, people are telling you how to get past your problem. Continuing to whine that it sucks is just silly. Either mission for another faction (yeah it involves moving - EVE is a big place), take the faction hit, or find something else to do with your time. There is a reason why these missions come up - you are doing missions for an NPC faction that has 'issues' with other factions. No one is saying that missions in EVE are brilliant, but that particular element makes sense. / thread I guess you missed this? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5304875#post5304875 Quote: CCP Soniclover - I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages people to log out. -- CCP Soniclover - We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry. Guess im not the only one who was thinking the same thing about getting two faction missions in a row sometimes more from multiple agents....
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 85	Posted - 2014.12.19 13:58:57 - [45] - Quote Fair enough. I still think there is an easy workaround - have more than one agent you can access.
TRONEON GAME GRID 9	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:14:44 - [46] - Quote Tuscor wrote: Fair enough. I still think there is an easy workaround - have more than one agent you can access. Sometimes it happens on both agents if your really unlucky....which was already mentioned a few times...
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:40:00 - [47] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Tuscor wrote: Fair enough. I still think there is an easy workaround - have more than one agent you can access. Sometimes it happens on both agents if your really unlucky....which was already mentioned a few times... I still don't understand why preserving good standings with all factions is so important to you. Especially only a week into the game. Just run the missions IMO.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5054	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:56:11 - [48] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Tuscor wrote: Fair enough. I still think there is an easy workaround - have more than one agent you can access. Sometimes it happens on both agents if your really unlucky....which was already mentioned a few times... Then pick a third, if possible for a non 'Navy' corp. I know plenty of corp's that pick out of the mission pools and harsly give any faction missions. Hell, in the past I think I grinded up the needed standings for at least 2 corps without ever seeing any anti-faction missions. It does matter who you run missions for in relation to what types of missions you get. Something comes to mind that relates to EVE: Actions have consequences... Even as a mission runner. But apparantly you guys think CSM minutes = this is happening... And if it does, shows again that CCP is buckling for the WoW mindset of stupid people. If you are too lazy to think of a way to work around it or deal with it. CCP shouldnt change it, you should just leave EVE. What will be the next thing you cry about??? Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5054	Posted - 2014.12.19 14:57:04 - [49] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: TRONEON wrote: Tuscor wrote: Fair enough. I still think there is an easy workaround - have more than one agent you can access. Sometimes it happens on both agents if your really unlucky....which was already mentioned a few times... I still don't understand why preserving good standings with all factions is so important to you. Especially only a week into the game. Just run the missions IMO. There afent any unless you want to be the next EACS... Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 86	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:16:22 - [50] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Tuscor wrote: Fair enough. I still think there is an easy workaround - have more than one agent you can access. Sometimes it happens on both agents if your really unlucky....which was already mentioned a few times... More than one can also mean more than two... and as J'Poll says - maybe a non-navy faction agent might be a good plan. Alternatively, you could mine (as I see you have) or do some exploration, or run some hauling contracts, or try some pew-pew, or go on an in-game road trip or try your hand at some station trading, or attempt to scam in local... do you see what I'm saying? Even if these changes are coming, you'll have to find a way around it in the meantime!
Paul Panala Black Research Industries 206	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:53:37 - [51] - Quote There are three aspects of the agents that give you missions. 1) The Agent himself 2) The NPC Corp the agent is in 3) The faction(s) that NPC Corp is aligned with I think that all agents will occasionally give you missions against another faction, but some do far more than others. Back when I ran missions, it seems like the really big NPC Corps tended to give them out less. One big acceptation being the Navy corp of any given faction, you can expect those to be mostly against other factions. I suggest picking an NPC corp that has a number of level 3 and level 4 (for when you get there) agents in the area you want to hang out. That way you can always jump to another agent if you don't like a mission offered. Training up the Social skill to 3 or 4 will help you unlock the level 3 agents of a new NPC Corp very quickly. Every corp weights its standings differently (larger ones take a little longer to gain standings for), but even a very large corp should not require you to run more than a handful of level 1 and 2 missions before you get to level 3.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 220	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:03:56 - [52] - Quote Azda Ja wrote: You should change your approach to the game. This isn't like other MMOs where you "quest" yourself to glory. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ That gives you an idea of just how much you can do. Look at EVE from a new angle and you'll enjoy it far more. I could not have said this better myself. This game is intentionally designed to make you have to make decisions and deal with consequences. I am positive on my main with all 4 of the main factions it can be done. However CCP did make it so that if you just want to mindless spam missions from one agent then you will have to pick a faction. Some general advice is: Some agents will have more faction kill missions than other's. If you are doing missions for one of the Navy's you'll get lots of faction kill missions for example. Move to a system with multiple mission agents. This way when you get on a 4 hour timer on one you can go to the next. Sister's of Eve will occasionally give you Amarr kill missions but since they are not one of the 4 main factions it seems they are good to mission grind with. Set up multiple mission hubs and use a fast ship to move between them. Try out other aspects of this game with your down time. You could do anomalies, Get a scanning ship and some probess and try out exploration. Look into PI. Maybe try industry. Look into market stuff maybe try out station trading. It really depends on your interests but instead of looking at the down time as limiting you maybe you could see how it is really opening the game up to you. Also in case you don't know you unlock mission agents through standing yes but it's the highest standing so you can unlock individual agents very quickly by running missions for them with someone else that has access to them or once your faction standing is high enough you can do any level 3 with any agent of any corp in that faction. Also are things you can do with storyline agents to unlock corps fast. If you are looking for something PvE to do in this game that you can do endlessly then I would look into null sec anoms if you want to go the solo route or incursions if you want to do the group thing. This game is not like other games. The majority of the content is player created. If you are coming from a mindset of quest grinding and bring that to this game you are going to be missing 99% of this game. There is nothing wrong with doing missions mind you and I'm not telling you not to do them. All that I am saying is that Eve is not a WoW clone like most MMOs and if you want to enjoy this game you'll have to pull your perspective back a little bit. I know as I came to this game from WoW and had a hard time adjusting at first. However after a while I found how difference of this game to be like a breath of fresh air. TL;DR There is too much for you to do in this game to be sitting around waiting for one agent to give you missions again.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 220	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:15:53 - [53] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Guess im not the only one who was thinking the same thing about getting two faction missions in a row sometimes more from multiple agents.... This line here tells me you are just not hearing what people are saying. Yes I will grant you that in the past couple years CCP has looked at other games and is WoWifying this game IMO. However historically this game was designed to not have people mission grind all day every day. More and more there are people coming to this game wanting it to be more like the other WoW clones out there but many people came to this game to get away from all the other WoW clones. If you are new to this game I strongly suggest you try out other aspects of this game and not get locked into high sec mission grinding. There is so much more to this game than that. I'm not sure how active the corp that you are in is but if it's not very active and there are not a lot of people doing stuff look for a new one. This game is all about doing stuff with other people. Find a noob friendly corp and do some stuff with friends. The motto in eve recently seem to be that the best ship in eve is friendship and I could not agree more.
Syssitia Nikostratos Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 25	Posted - 2014.12.19 19:05:03 - [54] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Quote: CCP Soniclover - I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages people to log out. -- CCP Soniclover - We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry. Guess im not the only one who was thinking the same thing about getting two faction missions in a row sometimes more from multiple agents.... Do you have any idea how many things CCP has on their 'to-do' list? How long you might have to wait before the suggestion of 'we think maybe we might change this game component' becomes remotely real? Basically, until you see it on the new release notes, don't hold your breath. It's a huge game and there are a LOT of things to do to keep it running and improve it and the odds of them getting to your little issue before you get bored and move on because you refuse to adapt your gameplay to the game you're playing are slim to none and slim is on his way out the door. It just sounds like you're being stubborn and digging your heels in for no reason now. People have given you a long list of other very fun things you can do between missions while you wait (almost all of them more fun than the boring missions you're so worried about) , but you refuse to even acknowledge those suggestions. That's incredibly rude. If all you want is to stay in a small area of a couple of systems and grind missions for a single corp, then we're telling you the wait time and faction standing loss is the consequence. The solution is not to adjust an entire game that's almost 11 years old around YOU, but to adjust YOU around the game. Get over yourself or go back to the other games you played before, because it's very obvious EVE isn't for you. "I thought I had a great idea today, but it never really took off. In fact, it didn't even get on the runway. I guess you could say it exploded in the hangar."
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5072	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:01:19 - [55] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: TRONEON wrote: Guess im not the only one who was thinking the same thing about getting two faction missions in a row sometimes more from multiple agents.... This line here tells me you are just not hearing what people are saying. Yes I will grant you that in the past couple years CCP has looked at other games and is WoWifying this game IMO. However historically this game was designed to not have people mission grind all day every day. More and more there are people coming to this game wanting it to be more like the other WoW clones out there but many people came to this game to get away from all the other WoW clones. If you are new to this game I strongly suggest you try out other aspects of this game and not get locked into high sec mission grinding. There is so much more to this game than that. I'm not sure how active the corp that you are in is but if it's not very active and there are not a lot of people doing stuff look for a new one. This game is all about doing stuff with other people. Find a noob friendly corp and do some stuff with friends. The motto in eve recently seem to be that the best ship in eve is friendship and I could not agree more. Fun thing. The moment CCP will make that huge leap to get make this WoW in space, they might aswel place a "For Sale" sign at their HQ. Cause a big majority of the existing players will just leave. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Quanah Comanche Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:46:44 - [56] - Quote Gotta tell ya, I fear for the future of EVE. Like TV shows, news, whomever whines the loudest gets their way.....
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5081	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:44:08 - [57] - Quote Quanah Comanche wrote: Gotta tell ya, I fear for the future of EVE. Like TV shows, news, whomever whines the loudest gets their way..... Meh. Though true and I share you fear. We also know that CCP will remember Incarna, or at least I hope. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
dark heartt 526	Posted - 2014.12.20 01:20:34 - [58] - Quote TRONEON wrote: Don Cordelion wrote: Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes. You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128 http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf Quote: CCP Soniclover - I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages people to log out. -- CCP Soniclover - We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry. They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it. So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point. Oh wow thanks for finding that, glad they are taking into account, it does make you want to log out and come back later rather then actually play. It discourages new players is what I was trying to say but I was terrible at explaining. That's one of the reasons people often say to newbies not to try missions. It drives them away. My go to recently has been exploration. It's involved, gets you out in space all over the place, and has that feeling of excitement when you find something good. http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Winter Archipelago Furtherance. 313	Posted - 2014.12.20 02:45:46 - [59] - Quote Faction standing hits are actually rather minor, in the long-run, when you decline a mission. Since you're pretty new, I don't think you'll have access to log into SISI (aka, Singularity, the test server), but when you can, try doing some tests on it and seeing how the declined missions (in under 4 hours) affect you. For L3's, it's pretty minor. You can see the steps to set up access to SISI at the EVE Online wiki: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity As well, something I've noticed about missions, is that, while all agents pull from the same pool, some agents in different locations have different pull rates for different missions. You might want to give an agent in a different location a try. As well, look for locations where there are multiple agents within a short distance, so even if you have to wait for four hours on one, you can hope to the next fairly quickly. Dotlan has a list of all of the available agents (as well as a few unavailable agents, such as CONCORD and Jove). You can look at the locations there more easily than you can move around in the in-game agent finder. If you were looking for agents from The Scope, for instance, you would go to http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/The_Scope/agents The simplest way to find your corp is to enter it into the search bar, search it out, then click the Agents tab on the Corp / Faction page. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.

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