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Laughlyn Vaughns
Gallente
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:52:00 -
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Just skilled up for abotu the last 28days for my T2 Siege's and went out to test the Rage torps out.
Loaded up the raven with EM ones and went outside with a corp mate to see the damage. In the Info it showed i shud be gettign just under 900 damage (with my skills) so was shocked to see 347 pop up, my cruise missiles get more than that and my fury EM cruise gets about 477.
My corp mate Domi didnt have any resist plates/hardeners running as i wanted to get a full readout.
We was both stationary and was 20km away (43 range with my raven and skills) so are they bugged or are rage supposed to be used on dreads/battletowers ect.
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HellsRazor
Caldari
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:54:00 -
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dude. rage for capital killing OR put like 5 painters on targeted bs and then try :) if you shoot a bs painted big time you get massive damage fyi
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:54:00 -
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From what I've read here and elsewhere, Rage torps work better on larger targets -- however if you fit a target painter or have someone in your gang with target painters, Rage torps shine against battleships.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/09/2006 11:54:22
 Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns
Just skilled up for abotu the last 28days for my T2 Siege's and went out to test the Rage torps out.
Loaded up the raven with EM ones and went outside with a corp mate to see the damage. In the Info it showed i shud be gettign just under 900 damage (with my skills) so was shocked to see 347 pop up, my cruise missiles get more than that and my fury EM cruise gets about 477.
My corp mate Domi didnt have any resist plates/hardeners running as i wanted to get a full readout.
We was both stationary and was 20km away (43 range with my raven and skills) so are they bugged or are rage supposed to be used on dreads/battletowers ect.
You need target painters - Rage torps without painters on anything smaller than a carrier doess less damage than bog standard t1 gear.
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Dethis
Caldari
The Graduates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:57:00 -
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Use precision torps rage are for hitting very big things like capital ships
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HellsRazor
Caldari
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:01:00 -
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yeah tbh rage for focused gangs close range.. gank or paint support.. i have pretty high skills and i think against 0 resist against a BS painted my max like 1159 hp per torp. but its just not practical.
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Yumi Katanawe
Caldari
Demon Womb
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:06:00 -
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With proper painting and webbing support rage torp ravens are monsters.
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Arimai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis
rage are for hitting very big things like capital ships
Rage torps are even less balanced then single multispecs, nos, the vagabond  etc imho.
1200 dps @ 70KM vs dreads is a bit too..
get a corpmate to fly huginn, and you'll find out the rage torps work quite ok when gatecamping. 3 web/3 painter "suddenly" gives you good dmg.
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:09:00 -
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OVAHPOWERERED !!
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 08/09/2006 12:14:39
Originally by: Exiled One
OVAHPOWERERED !!
No.... not at all.
Against a well painted BS they let you do similar dmg to a blasterthron at opt at any range. The big downside is either you run very little tank and paint or have to get a support ship.
I fought a corp m8 in blasterthron with a rage raven packing painters. Though I shredded him he had me to hull first as my tank was gimped.
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HellsRazor
Caldari
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Edited by: tiller on 08/09/2006 12:14:39
Originally by: Exiled One
OVAHPOWERERED !!
No.... not at all.
Against a well painted BS they let you do similar dmg to a blasterthron at opt at any range. The big downside is either you run very little tank and paint or have to get a support ship.
I fought a corp m8 in blasterthron with a rage raven packing painters. Though I shredded him he had me to hull first as my tank was gimped.
QFT have you seen how fast rage torps go? lol
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.09.08 12:58:00 -
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Sorry to be off topic again (more ofthen than not)
But I just began flying minatar ships.
Being a speedjukie and an up-close-and-personal Blaster freak I fell instantly for Autocannons.
However - I have found that most minnmatar ships fall victim to their own speed. The ACs just keeps missing unless I slow down, even though they are webbed or even stationary (never happened to any of my blasterboats) - would a Targetpainter improve this? I tried titting the best tracking comp I could find and it helped a little.
Will a TP bebetter?
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Sorry to be off topic again (more ofthen than not)
But I just began flying minatar ships.
Being a speedjukie and an up-close-and-personal Blaster freak I fell instantly for Autocannons.
However - I have found that most minnmatar ships fall victim to their own speed. The ACs just keeps missing unless I slow down, even though they are webbed or even stationary (never happened to any of my blasterboats) - would a Targetpainter improve this? I tried titting the best tracking comp I could find and it helped a little.
Will a TP bebetter?
I don't know if a TP would be better but you can try using a wider orbit range and use your autocannons' falloff to your advantage.
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Deovina
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:13:00 -
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I've been playing around with Rage Torps on Sisi.
6 TŠ Siege, 3 TP, 1 MWD, 3 BC TŠ, 1 Nanofiber. I let you figure out the rest but it's pretty tight CPU and Pgrid wise.
With Targetpainting lvl1 (so no advanced painting skill yet) and about minimum 30 km starting range I'm able to kill most BS without running a Tank.
It's pure gank and when you dive bomb (about 1,2-1,4 km/s with MWD), a Rage speed of 2,25 km/s and a standard ROF of about 7,5 secs (Sisi is down atm so I can't take a look), you end up with a 3,2 seconds gap between the salvos boosting your dps once the torps it too a lvl that will bring most BS in deep Armor (mostly about 20% left).
Killing this last bit is the tricky part but with drones and possibly higher Targeting skills you are normally able to chew trough. Higher starting ranges obviously allow you to "save up" even more DPS. I killed a rail mega with about 20 seconds between the first hit and the last.
I've yet to see how it performs with better targetpainting skills. But it is problematic for real PvP because you need some range at the star and once you killed 1 or 2 BS it's definitly time to warp out while being very close to the enemy.
Would like to try it in a team of two and/or with a speed boosting BC. It's dive bombing time again :).
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Hoshi Masurao
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Posted - 2006.09.08 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis
Use precision torps rage are for hitting very big things like capital ships
I'd like to see you use "Precision Torps"... since they don't exist 
Javalin are for ranged battles, Rage for gate camps. Target needs to be painted to over 1km Sig Radius for them to overtake T1 Torps in damage. Like everyone else has stated, 1200hp is not unheard of...
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Gallente
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.10 16:09:00 -
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taa for info guys, will give it a play around. with me doing sansha i tend to armor tank the raven so i have a few mids free if i work the fittign a bit. its very tight powergridding but can dump summat to make it fit.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.10 17:50:00 -
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To get full damage out of rage you need a bellicose or recon supporting you, because 4 painters arent enough to get sig radius over 1k againt a typhoon, pest, geddon or megathron.
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Posted - 2006.09.11 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Masurao
Originally by: Dethis
Use precision torps rage are for hitting very big things like capital ships
I'd like to see you use "Precision Torps"... since they don't exist
Javalin are for ranged battles, Rage for gate camps. Target needs to be painted to over 1km Sig Radius for them to overtake T1 Torps in damage. Like everyone else has stated, 1200hp is not unheard of...
If you don't think javelin torps are 'precision torps', then you've never looked at their stats.
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Stigee
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.11 06:33:00 -
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I have been thinking about this too recently. But as QuickFit is bugged with showing multiple target painters, I couldnt really determine how many painters you need to paint a bs to the 1000 sig radius. But it said around 1200 for the damage output on 1000 sig radius, which would be one hell of a dps (around 1000 I think) for a Raven. Ofcourse, as everyone else said, you would have to sacrifice med slots for painters or you would have to have a guy to paint for you. And you could always use target painter drones (were there ones like that?) as they would give little boost to painting and might even give you the chance to drop one painter for other stuff.
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