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Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.12.11 14:46:14 - [1] - Quote I have recently been enjoying exploring in my Cheetah. (RIP) It's recent demise has made me think of using something a bit more substantial for my jaunts around wormholes. Although the SOE ships look sexy, im disappointed that you cant fit the 2 hacking rigs on them at the same time, so I have been thinking of a t3. Is there a "best" T3 for exploring? I have never flown one at all before for anything, Also, if i take a mobile depot can i swap subsystems on it and then use it in combat sites too? As a mainly Minmitar pilot, a Loki is probably what I will want to use if all things are equal so some suggested exploring and combat. sleeper fits would be welcome o7
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 83	Posted - 2014.12.11 14:57:00 - [2] - Quote For exploration you can't go wrong with the SOE ships. I'm not 100% sure what you mean with the rigs, but the Stratios gets a bonus to exploration ('10+ bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength'), so if your skills are ok you will be able to hack anything with pretty good chances of success. They can also fit a probe launcher and cloak without gimping tank and dps. So if you venture into nulsec or lowsec you can defend yourself or even take the odd target of opportunity. Similarly you can fit for PVE and do some combat sites. My experience with cloaky scanny/exploration T3 ships is that they will scan well and hack well but they are anemic with regards to dps and tank (cloaky brick proteus being the exception but that is strictly a pvp boat in my opinion). Only think a T3 does better is that it can be nullified for nulsec travel. So in summary: Stratios would be my first choice Proteus would be second (but you will have to play around with subs to get enough mids to make it worth it. Other T3s would be well behind. Loki is not really that good, particularly if you want to be able to put out any serious dps or tank anything worthwhile. Yes you can refit subsystems at a depot if you want to.
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 572	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:00:13 - [3] - Quote [Loki, Scan and Hack] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Relic Analyzer II Data Analyzer II Warp Disruptor II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Emission Scope Sharpener I Medium Memetic Algorithm Bank I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Fast, Tanky, Hacky, Scanny. Will this do? Personally, I don't like fitting rigs to a T3 that box it in too much. I would go with rigs that let you refit for combat instead
Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:02:44 - [4] - Quote with rigs i mean stratios and astero have 350 calibration it means i cant fit both an emission scope sharpener and a memetic algorithm bank that give +10 also to data and relic hacking as they arfe 200 callibration each
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 83	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:04:55 - [5] - Quote Tam Arai wrote: with rigs i mean stratios and astero have 350 calibration it means i cant fit both an emission scope sharpener and a memetic algorithm bank that give +10 also to data and relic hacking as they arfe 200 callibration each Ah I see. Well with the bonus that the SOE hull gets, you will still get the same power with one rig, and you can use the others for tank/dps. The hull would then be more balanced for use in combat sites. The loki fit above is actually pretty cool for PVP alongside some data sites, but would melt in most combat sites. T
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 572	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:12:35 - [6] - Quote [Loki, Combat Site Runner] Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 10MN Afterburner II Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Tractor Beam II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers I would go with these rigs and screw the hacking rigs. Then you can switch to this fit above with minimal changes and crack on with combat sites. You will find your DPS makes the sites a little slow to do over say an Ishtar or a BS but if this is what you want to do..... Also, there is a slot 10 implant which will improve your hacking skill a bit to "lessen" the blow of not fitting rigs
Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:27:28 - [7] - Quote im terribad at eft warrioring [Loki, New Setup 1] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Warp Core Stabilizer II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Emission Scope Sharpener II Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier defensively sound and decent at hacking. but couldn't hurt a fly but then i could refit to one of the fits above for sleepers/combat sites?
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 116	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:38:01 - [8] - Quote Loki has a small cargo hold. You will need 200m3 just for the cloak and mobile depot leaving little room for loot, other sub systems and ammo. And as an AC Loki is is basically a bullet house, you will need lots of ammo. Additionally, the Loki has poor damage projection. You want to go around running hacking sites? Fit it for that. It's sub par for combat sites.
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 572	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:40:08 - [9] - Quote Tam Arai wrote: im terribad at eft warrioring [Loki, New Setup 1] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Warp Core Stabilizer II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Emission Scope Sharpener II Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier defensively sound and decent at hacking. but couldn't hurt a fly but then i could refit to one of the fits above for sleepers/combat sites? Oh my lorde! That first fit I posted is what you want to scan and hack in. It's combat ready to fight off most things you will find in a hacking site. Just swap the rigs for what I put on my combat site runner. I can see what you're doing with the Interdiction Nullifier and I-Stabs. If you're faggin' around in Null/W-Space you can just drop a Gyro or the DCU II and fit a Nullifier to get you through or out of bubbles. The I-Stabs aren't necessary as you're fully covert. Warp Core Stabs I feel should only be fit to "Travel Fitted" ships. Aerie Evingod wrote: Loki has a small cargo hold. You will need 200m3 just for the cloak and mobile depot leaving little room for loot, other sub systems and ammo. And as an AC Loki is is basically a bullet house, you will need lots of ammo. Additionally, the Loki has poor damage projection. You want to go around running hacking sites? Fit it for that. It's sub par for combat sites. Aerie speaks the truth here. The cargo hold is the bane of the Loki. I would, however, expect this to get buffed when T3's do finally get a proper balance pass. I would even go so far as to say that the Emergent Locus Analyser subsystem may even give a large cargo hold as it is fitting with that subsystems role
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 83	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:47:52 - [10] - Quote I still think the Stratios is what you are looking for Big cargo hold uses drones and crystals for dps so no need to carry lots of ammo hacking bonus so rigs can be used for tank/dps/scanning can fit probe launcher and cloak Can be shield or armour tanked Can be fit for PVP or PVE and can run combat anoms up to 5/10 (most of them anyway) Only downside is the lack of bubble resistance, but that can be overcome by using the map and dotlan to avoid bubble camps
Tam Arai Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.12.11 15:54:00 - [11] - Quote Aerie Evingod wrote: Loki has a small cargo hold. You will need 200m3 just for the cloak and mobile depot leaving little room for loot, other sub systems and ammo. And as an AC Loki is is basically a bullet house, you will need lots of ammo. Additionally, the Loki has poor damage projection. You want to go around running hacking sites? Fit it for that. It's sub par for combat sites. info like this is what i also wanted- maybe loki is not ideal for what i want then. what is a better t3 for this dual role? or maybe itsnot possible edit- Tuscor is presenting a good argument for the stratios... hmm
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 116	Posted - 2014.12.11 16:09:24 - [12] - Quote Stratios is a good choice. Just for information on cargo holds (solo combat sig fit): Loki 270 or 280m3 Legion 300m3 Tengu 440m3 Proteus 300m3 Plus the proteus and legion can be fit for infinite ammo with drones and T1 crystals.
Aerie Evingod Midwest Miners LLC 116	Posted - 2014.12.11 16:09:51 - [13] - Quote Double post
Orlacc 664	Posted - 2014.12.11 19:45:55 - [14] - Quote SOE ships are really an overpriced one-trick-pony. I prefer a Loki for Null/WH exploration. The Interdiction Nullifier is worth the price of admission. I also enjoy the Tengu in that capacity. If the SOE ships come down in price maybe. For Profession site you need hardly any cargohold. Here is one Loki fit I swiped from someone on these boards: [Loki, space tourist] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Cargo Scanner II Relic Analyzer II Data Analyzer II Large Shield Extender II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir I have switched out some stuff subsequently but this works. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Silvetica Dian Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1104	Posted - 2014.12.11 20:22:14 - [15] - Quote Tam Arai wrote: Aerie Evingod wrote: Loki has a small cargo hold. You will need 200m3 just for the cloak and mobile depot leaving little room for loot, other sub systems and ammo. And as an AC Loki is is basically a bullet house, you will need lots of ammo. Additionally, the Loki has poor damage projection. You want to go around running hacking sites? Fit it for that. It's sub par for combat sites. info like this is what i also wanted- maybe loki is not ideal for what i want then. what is a better t3 for this dual role? or maybe itsnot possible edit- Tuscor is presenting a good argument for the stratios... hmm stratios is poor for null combat sites. (not enough tank) it is great for hacking for fighting off lone pvp hunters neuts are better than lasers in the highs. i killed a nightmare with mine even with his blackbird friend briefly trying to stop me. pve tengu also died to the neut fit stratios. null combat sites normally use a ishtar/ tengu lthough that varies with local rats. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7374	Posted - 2014.12.11 20:33:32 - [16] - Quote Stratios makes for a pretty nasty gank boat, bring a mobile depo and you can switch between "tourist" and "**** this country!" Modes as and when needed. Admittedly you can do that with any of the t 3's as well but the stratios has a cloak,drones,armour AND lazorz....it's ducking cool. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Hungry Eyes Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 470	Posted - 2014.12.11 23:47:32 - [17] - Quote correct me if im wrong, but I still feel the Ishtar + covops frig are the best for lowsec/nullsec exploration. park the Ishtar nearby, run relic/data sites with covops. grab Ishtar to do just about any combat site. after being gone for a year, I really wanted to outfit a Stratios, but im failing to see the point. covops frig is better for running non-combat sites, and u cant do anything higher than a 4/10 in the Stratios. exploring in a T3 just seems silly to me, as both of the above examples would be better. am I missing something?
Paranoid Loyd 2971	Posted - 2014.12.11 23:53:53 - [18] - Quote Hungry Eyes wrote: am I missing something? If solo, Stratios is better. Multi accounts or friends, CovOps + HAC is better Exploring where bubbles may be a thing is the only reason a T3 may be preferred. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Quanah Comanche Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.12 03:50:48 - [19] - Quote Why would any experienced explorer go where there is no possibility of bubbles. Weak loot?
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 83	Posted - 2014.12.12 08:36:48 - [20] - Quote Silvetica Dian wrote: Tam Arai wrote: Aerie Evingod wrote: Loki has a small cargo hold. You will need 200m3 just for the cloak and mobile depot leaving little room for loot, other sub systems and ammo. And as an AC Loki is is basically a bullet house, you will need lots of ammo. Additionally, the Loki has poor damage projection. You want to go around running hacking sites? Fit it for that. It's sub par for combat sites. info like this is what i also wanted- maybe loki is not ideal for what i want then. what is a better t3 for this dual role? or maybe itsnot possible edit- Tuscor is presenting a good argument for the stratios... hmm stratios is poor for null combat sites. (not enough tank) it is great for hacking for fighting off lone pvp hunters neuts are better than lasers in the highs. i killed a nightmare with mine even with his blackbird friend briefly trying to stop me. pve tengu also died to the neut fit stratios. null combat sites normally use a ishtar/ tengu lthough that varies with local rats. I don't agree that the stratios is poor for nulsec sites. With careful management and the use of the right sentries for the situation, it can take on a lot, and puts out a hell of a lot more dps than a tengu. Ishtar is good, but my understaning is that the OP wants a ship that does it all in one.

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