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captain rat
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Posted - 2003.10.18 11:57:00 -
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Should your abilities in real life affect what you can do in Eve? Or does Eve give you the chance to be something you can't be in real life?
Examples:
1. If you are female, but playing a male character, should you be limited on what you can do (eg which corporations you can join). An examples of #1 are Hadean Drive Yards who accept players of either sex but not if their character is the opposite sex.
2. If you have more money in real life, should you be able to buy ISK for real cash? Examples on Ebay.
3. If you have more money, should you be able to have several accounts, and mine from one to pay for another?
Or do you feel that all players should be able to succeed purely on their play within Eve and real-life should have no part in it.
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Blood Hawk
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Posted - 2003.10.18 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Blood Hawk on 18/10/2003 12:00:04
yeah the second bit... it's a game d00d 
Edit: i.e. all are equal - how it should be or else it's unfair and not much fun - fun being the point of a game! 
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Aillas
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Posted - 2003.10.18 12:08:00 -
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I think the only things you can and should be able to take into Eve from the real world is your personality, intelligence, grasp of economics, strategy and risks, etc.
I dont think you should be able to get an advantage over other players just because your rich in real life for example. So I dont agree with people being able to buy isk on ebay.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.10.18 12:12:00 -
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Apart from paying for the game in real money so to say no interference from the real world should make it into the gameworld.
EVE is a MMORPG. When interference happens from the real world it pollutes the game because there are no plausible ingame explanations to what happened. The examples are countless but suffice to say. When you play EVE you become that character and who the person behind that character is shouldn't be an issue.
Above is what we should aim for imho. This is only followed by the most hardcore RP'ers though, but serves as a guideline for me atleast in what to achieve. (Ofcourse, everybody bends these rules by for example creating trader alts etc. )
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Carp Riddell
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Posted - 2003.10.18 12:52:00 -
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The biggest single factor in Eve "success" is time. If you're an arts student, unemployed or work from home ( \o/ ) then you've got a huge advantage in money making terms.
- Carp Riddell
- CEO, Innsmouth Shipping
- Proud Member of Curse Alliance
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.18 13:02:00 -
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It always will.
Personally, ol' Jack believes procedures such as buying/selling on eBay a very good thing. It's merely a "shift" of wealth from one EVE player.
Scrapyard Jack sees it kinda like a carwash...
You can save your money and spend an hour with a bucket, or you can pay your money and spend 10 minutes in a carwash.
At the end of the day, you still have a clean car. 
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Austin Savant
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Posted - 2003.10.18 13:35:00 -
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It always will.
Personally, ol' Jack believes procedures such as buying/selling on eBay a very good thing. It's merely a "shift" of wealth from one EVE player.
Scrapyard Jack sees it kinda like a carwash...
You can save your money and spend an hour with a bucket, or you can pay your money and spend 10 minutes in a carwash.
At the end of the day, you still have a clean car.
I see we are perfectly aligned
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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.10.18 13:49:00 -
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The game is very much based on mental activities rather than any twitch combat or skillful piloting.
Therefore people who have the mental skills to succed on there real lived are more likely to succed in the game.
To flip the Ebay thing around. I read a story on the BBC site a while ago about a bloke who earned a six figure income by selling items in Ultima Online on Ebay. His in-game expertise was making him succesful in real life.
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captain rat
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Posted - 2003.10.18 14:00:00 -
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I have no problem with that. The number of people who write books about their exploits, or sell the piano they used for a symphony is fine.
What I'm asking about is whether you should be able to use your advantages in real-life (such as having more money) to give you an advantage in Eve (by buying ISK for cash as an example).
Or should Eve be a level playing field with equal chances for all?
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Kramar
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Posted - 2003.10.18 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kramar on 18/10/2003 14:35:39
Ideally I think everything from the real world should be set aside when you enter a RPG. A corporation that has any requirements based on your real life is not worth considering in my opinion!
However, this doesn't really work in practice because whether we like it or not our real world circumstances affect how effective we can be in game. For example, two people might be able to play for different amounts because of work or family commitments. This gives one an advantage over another, but its not frowned on because theres nothing anyone can do about it!
This sort of carries over to the money side of things - person B not be able to play as much as person A because he works long hours. Because of this, he'd rather not spend hours mining and would rather use some of the RL money he gets from all those extra hours to buy some ISK. That way he can still compete with person A.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.18 15:05:00 -
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What I'm asking about is whether you should be able to use your advantages in real-life (such as having more money) to give you an advantage in Eve (by buying ISK for cash as an example).
Absolutely, ehehehe!
"advantage" is perhaps too generic a term to use in the context of the question you're asking ..
For example, if one was to compare the man behind Scrapyard Jack to (for example) the man behind Kramer one would be able to note differences mental acuity, tactical problem solving, hand-eye co-ordination, judgement, balance, morality, charm, and all of the other things that factor into making two people different.
These attributes would be considered "real-life advantages", and are one of the core factors in determining who turns out to be a good and virtuous player like Kramer and who turns into a grumpy ol' Scrapyard Jack.
As for whether ones RL financial advantages should affect ones success in EVE; ol' Jack looks at it like a trade-off.
You have the people who don't work/work few hours and spend a lot of time on EVE, but can't afford to purchase ISK on eBay.
You have the people who work long hours, earn a lot of money and want to spend it on increasing their effectiveness in EVE; via eBay.
You ask, "should EVE be a level playing field with equal chances for all?" ..
Ol' Jack would say; "yup, and it is."
The only complication is the idle rich, who play EVE all day and can still afford to purchase ISK on eBay.
These people need to be hunted down and killed like animals. (At least, until ol' Jack is one of 'em!)
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.18 17:31:00 -
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The idle rich who have nothing better to do than playing EVE all day long should be given a free passage of pity wherever they may roam.
Convert Stations
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Zerina Pondu
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:47:00 -
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Drop the "Ol' Jack" stuff and stop talking in third person.freak. 
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:56:00 -
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1) how on earth do they want to check if you tell the thruth? It seems weird for a corporation to make such demands, as they means to check it are slim.
3)it allready happends
I skipped 2 cause enough was stated about it allready, doubt there is anything you can do to stop people from using ebay.
This is not a hijack
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2003.10.18 18:56:00 -
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Zerina Pondu Quote:
Drop the "Ol' Jack" stuff and stop talking in third person.freak.
stfu, some of us like Ol' Jack 
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.10.18 19:18:00 -
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EVE is a MMORPG.
CCP advertises EVE as a MMOG, not a MMORPG. Anyways, is this the same Fred0 as in Jumpgate?
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2003.10.18 19:51:00 -
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I would say it's a sad, sad state when someone has to "buy ISK on eBay" in order to get somewhere. That's not resourcefulness. That's not strategic. That's 100% laziness.
As for the RPG comments... it is so very easy to Roleplay in EVE. CCP may not have marketed it at RPG, but the players inside choose to act out their roles. For example, I read nearly ALL of the TTI website. I was VERY impressed with the detailed structure and Apples-to-Apples comparisons to a real-life corporation. That had to take a lot of time to put together. Modeling your in-game "business" after RL successes is exactly what RPG is all about. Some of you might be confusing RP with "Hail, and well met, prithee sir..." yadda yadda medievil crap. In the case of some in-game corp histories I have read, there is plenty of RPG going on.
Those of you who lock and blow people up and giggle yourself into a frenzy are likely not privy to that concept. Pity your shallowness and lack of creativity. Fire when ready. :)
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.10.18 20:00:00 -
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Hmm... just find an edge, and noone will have an advantage over you.
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Nemiyen
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Posted - 2003.10.18 21:47:00 -
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There will ALWAYS be an uneven playing field in ANYTHING that you do in real life. This includes playing EVE. You could break it down into so many different areas that something that's so simililar can be so different .
I am currently on my 3rd year doing a degree in computer and network engineering (which should mean i've got "some" intelligence  ) so, compared to someone doing special needs classes (just as a comparison) in "theory" I will have an advantage because I can maybe play the game different and in a better way. I wont go into how or what because I'm not slating special needs people I'm just giving an example. This would be a MENTAL advantage.
Another one would be someone who is a millionaire, student or a lazy ass bum that lives off the social. They all have TIME to play this game which equates to being able to earn more cash / hunt more pirasites or whatever.
Another example is someone who works / doesn't get much time to play but owns 3+ accounts... They can make up for the time they can't play in a short amount of time by having 3 accounts or more which gives them an advantage... Is this cheating or is this using your money to benefit your game?
Life is unfair, life sucks, life is a ***** (then you marry one) (had to put that in  ) but seriously, anything in life is not fair no matter how fair you try and make things...
If everything was supposed to be fair I would complain that I want to be equal to Bill Gates and own trillians of money that I wouldn't know what to do with 
Hmmmm you could own a million eve accounts and still have enough trillians to live off  (would that be cheating)
OK, getting side tracked now
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Tanner Mirabel
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Posted - 2003.10.19 13:02:00 -
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Personaly I think buying stuff from e-bay isnt necessarily going to give these sad people much of a bonus and in the long term could even prove detrimental. If some rich noob goes on e-bay and buys 100mil isk, what can they do with it, they dont have the skills to go out and get a BS or decent weapons. What will happen though is that they will not develop a sense of how to make money in the game as they dont need to. Their skills wont be based on the progressive needs that trying to make more money throws up. Also they will probably get bored as the things you do in the game are based around making isk, if you have it all already where is the motivation to play. So then what if someone buys a well developed character, if you havent spent the time playing you arent going to know what you are doing and will no doubt spend a lot of time waking up in clone facilities with the pieces of your shiny new BS floating off into space. I personaly think that Eve is quite a good game for leveling the playing field compared with most out there.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.10.19 14:55:00 -
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Anyways, is this the same Fred0 as in Jumpgate?
Aye :)
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Karen Mardule
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Posted - 2003.10.19 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Karen Mardule on 19/10/2003 17:39:58
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What I'm asking about is whether you should be able to use your advantages in real-life (such as having more money) to give you an advantage in Eve (by buying ISK for cash as an example).
Or should Eve be a level playing field with equal chances for all?
Hmmm, several points you want to raise but one answer will not cover them. Asking should eve be a level playing field: no. Otherwise we would all have the same ships and skills.
Asking whether someones outside live should affect they're game? Depends on the exact situation.
Buying stuff on E-bay: no.
Being more intellegent than the average player: lol, yes.
Being rich and playing the game all day because you dont have to go to work: well, are YOU going to say that that person cannot play?
Being of different sex than your character: eh? How would that affect your gameplay? You mentioned Haiden Drive Yards policy. Lots of corps have policys on various issues. How many skill points you have, how many hours you can play, your nationality, your play style. If a corp doesnt want you, go to another. There are plenty. :)
P.S. Female playing female, but I also have a male alt.
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