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Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2006.10.27 13:56:00 - [31] I have the same problem as the OP described on one of my computers. The problem is the computer; Eve runs fine on my other computer.
Vanlade Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 09/09/2006 00:09:34 maybe, just maybe get off your whine mode horse and post your problems in the knows issues and workaround section. beacause, the eve client is fine, BUT some crappy computers, older hardware and older drivers, comp configs dont work well. so, in the end, its most likely the plastic thing in front of you, not eve. ktnxbye QFT Bye - Vanlade
Mrmuttley House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:32:00 - [33] Win98 (get XP) Possible poor ethernet port (reinstall drivers / replace card ) USB Modem i.e. speedtouch 330 or using usb connection on a voyager. ( get a router and connect to it with ethernet. ethernet cards are available from PC world for approx ú5 newer PCs should have them anyway ) Corrupt Windows install ( format disk and start again) Corrupt / out of date graphics and/or sound drivers ( reinstall / update) Wireless problems (try cable and as a tech support person I am continually amazed at the number of people who have a wireless connection to the router that sits 2 feet from their PC. 3If this fixws reinstall wireless card ) Run a speed test at ADSLGuide.org Possible noisy line. If its a lot slower that you were expecting report it to your ISP. run ping tests from the command prompt and see if your losing packets at all. Lots of possible problems that are not caused by the Eve Client. This list is not definative but ought to cover most of the greatest hits. HTH MrM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Got Lag? Dev Responses Link-O-Matic
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:33:00 - [34] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 27/10/2006 14:34:47 First off, did you play Ultima online? Anarchy Online? no? The worst client in the history of the genre? get serious and learn your history before making those claims. EvE client works perfectly for me on my macbook laptop.
Scorps one Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:33:00 - [35] I have the same problem as the OP and so do some of my corp mates, and I have sent in the logserver files for it quite a while ago.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:43:00 - [36] looks at OP date... IT'S ALIVE!!!! goes off singing "Cold Ethyl"... __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:58:00 - [37] I've had this problem as well. It started for me immediately after downloading the Dragon patch. My problem isn't as severe as the OP I usually connect within 3-6 attempts. Originally by: Jiekon Secondly, when the bug reporting website is opened back up to the public, please submit a bug report with log server files AND crash dump files. I think I know how to run the log server but whats a crash dump file?
Chaimera Grumpy Old Farts	Posted - 2006.10.27 15:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Lady Gadiva I'm gonna make this quite clear before i continue, this IS NOT a whine about the state of the server, rather the mess the client is in after christ knows how many half baked patches. Since Dragon deployment i have been unable to reliably connect to the server. I wonder if anyone else has the same problem. U hit connect , get the processing bulk data messages and all that , and then just when u expect to go to the character select screen, what happens? Absolutley nothing. It just sits there. So u hit connect and get some bull**** about local session information being corrupted and having to restart the client. So you do. And the same thing happens. OVER AND OVER AGAIN In the end i restart my machine. Sometimes that fixes it. But not always. Sometimes i just have to try and connect THIRTY OR FOURTY times before i get in. And then 10 minutes later my client crashes and the whole sorry mess starts again. And yes, ive tried reinstalling the client. All that achieved was resetting all my options and deleting my BM folders. Whine over. While you are entitled to your opinion ... unfortunately, you could have easily gone to the Petition page and submitted at the very least an 'anonymous' petition under the Technical Support category. If you have done that and not gotten the desired results you could have at least stated that somewhere in your rant. Beware of the killer grumpies!
Malcolm Phoenix	Posted - 2006.10.27 15:30:00 - [39] I get the same problems, delete the Machonet folder and it clears it. PITA having to do this everytime though :(
Azrael Bierce Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.10.27 16:34:00 - [40] You clearly never played Horizons.
Ishtar1 the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.27 16:35:00 - [41] Edited by: Ishtar1 on 27/10/2006 16:36:23 Yeh I'v been getting this problom alot recently as well (after dragon) sometimes i cant log in for a day or 2 :(( it just sticks on the loading bulk data pop-up thingy and yes i have reinstalled Eve and deleted catche folder etc etc nothing just gets hung there :/ (Im in scotland) (oh and i have reported this in a petition saying somthing like wondering if this is a known problom and is there somthing obvouse to fix it if not reply and i will send in logs etc)
losmandy	Posted - 2006.10.27 17:34:00 - [42] DO not use BT Voyager modems they are absolute crap crap crap. Get a major brand router, Lynksys, Netgear or such like. BT modems have big sync problems. I have four of them here, none will work reliably. My Netgear router has never missed a beat in 12 months.
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.10.27 17:39:00 - [43] Cookie? --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.27 17:41:00 - [44] Dump it all and do a full re-installation, that's what I did after getting pestered by the dragon. Looking For Ventrilo Hosting
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2006.10.27 17:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Lady Gadiva I'm gonna make this quite clear before i continue, this IS NOT a whine about the state of the server, rather the mess the client is in after christ knows how many half baked patches. Since Dragon deployment i have been unable to reliably connect to the server. I wonder if anyone else has the same problem. U hit connect , get the processing bulk data messages and all that , and then just when u expect to go to the character select screen, what happens? Absolutley nothing. It just sits there. So u hit connect and get some bull**** about local session information being corrupted and having to restart the client. So you do. And the same thing happens. OVER AND OVER AGAIN In the end i restart my machine. Sometimes that fixes it. But not always. Sometimes i just have to try and connect THIRTY OR FOURTY times before i get in. And then 10 minutes later my client crashes and the whole sorry mess starts again. And yes, ive tried reinstalling the client. All that achieved was resetting all my options and deleting my BM folders. Whine over. Your singular problem does not make for a great generilization on the state of the eve software client. Also, format your god damn windows piece of crap operating system and reinstall it clean. Then put eve on it, I'll bet you 100m isk that your problem goes away. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Sadistic	Posted - 2006.10.27 21:53:00 - [46] Edited by: Sadistic on 27/10/2006 21:53:55 I run the client on two machines. My home game machine (XP Pro, DELL PE400sc P4 with ht, 2.4 ghz, 768meg, Radeon x850). And seldom have problems outside of my ISP. My second machine is my Dell Inspiron 1100 Laptop (Windows 2000 Pro, Celeron 2 ghz, 512meg, shared memory junk integrated video (intel 82845GL). This machine will occasionally have issues on certain patch levels, but I know its a compatibility issue. I would not want to fight using this machine, but it is useable. The point I am trying to make is that their are many variables that could cause problems. When a machine freezes at a certain point, its normally the NEXT point that caused the issue, you just never saw it. Use Eve search to check your video card, your sound card, your machine (mother board) for other peoples reported problems. Rename the current CCP directory and do a new install (this way you can always bring it back and keep all your logs). Have you gone through task manager and inspected what is running on your machine? Do you have things like google desktop or any of the millions of other add on apps (non eve related) running. One of my pet peeves about Eve is that you often have to go outside of CCP for support and questions. Thats the way it is, get used to it. A blatant negative post will always get you more flames then help.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.10.27 22:42:00 - [47] I'm gonna make this quite clear before i continue, this IS NOT a whine about the state of the server, rather the mess the client is in after christ knows how many half baked patches. ------------------------------ I really, really hate people that start out topics like this, they so obviously are crying it makes me usually get a board ban by flaming profusly, but this time i digress deap OP: grow up learn how to optimize your computer learn how to mazimize internet connections or leave EVE. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Erotic Irony RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:01:00 - [48] Also if you are running Dual-core, it may be very likely you are going to have CTDs when traveling docking, a problem for which there seems to be no solution in sight. Killing sound, clearing cache, reinstalling eve and adjusting affinities have grown standard replies and all show that the OP does have a point: the code needs some major revisions and or updating. ___
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Erotic Irony Also if you are running Dual-core, it may be very likely you are going to have CTDs when traveling docking, a problem for which there seems to be no solution in sight. Killing sound, clearing cache, reinstalling eve and adjusting affinities have grown standard replies and all show that the OP does have a point: the code needs some major revisions and or updating. intel dual core? i run a athalonX2 dual core 4600 and have no problems of that sort -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
LadyVenom	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:18:00 - [50] I've had absolutely no probs.
RobW1 Caldari Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2006.10.28 01:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Lady Gadiva I'm gonna make this quite clear before i continue, this IS NOT a whine about the state of the server, rather the mess the client is in after christ knows how many half baked patches. Since Dragon deployment i have been unable to reliably connect to the server. I wonder if anyone else has the same problem. U hit connect , get the processing bulk data messages and all that , and then just when u expect to go to the character select screen, what happens? Absolutley nothing. It just sits there. So u hit connect and get some bull**** about local session information being corrupted and having to restart the client. So you do. And the same thing happens. OVER AND OVER AGAIN In the end i restart my machine. Sometimes that fixes it. But not always. Sometimes i just have to try and connect THIRTY OR FOURTY times before i get in. And then 10 minutes later my client crashes and the whole sorry mess starts again. And yes, ive tried reinstalling the client. All that achieved was resetting all my options and deleting my BM folders. Whine over. Remember that in the time between pre Dragon to now ALOT will have changed... Virus patterns, firewall rules, configuration in BT land. Not just the client. So to blame it on the client is in fact WRONG. To vent here is in fact WRONG. As several other people have said it's time to GROW-UP. There are 30,000 people who can help you, just go through the n-th level of detail, and we WILL fix your problem, because that's what we're all here for (sort of). Check things like firewall rules and antivirus settings, relax these as much as you feel comfortable doing, or replace them with other products, and give them a spin. For example, if you have the BT Home Hub, ditch the PC based firewall, and see what happens. Ideally ditch Windows 98 (did I read that right - you're running Win 98?). Trial and error is unfortunately the only way since if you look at the 30,000+ active people online every single person has a different configuration... ever so slightly different, but still different.
Shabesa	Posted - 2006.10.28 02:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Gonada deap OP: grow up learn how to optimize your computer learn how to mazimize internet connections or leave EVE. Dude, I don't remember seeing "computer geek" as requirement for Eve. Drop that already. And it would help if low level error messages mentioned logserver and links to how-to and workarounds pages, not forum threads. Also Eve support category on the left could use something like Problems running Eve?. To the OP if you're still with us, you haven't seen many have you?
Lugz	Posted - 2006.10.28 05:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Jiekon Firstly, seeing as the majority of players are not experienceing this exact same issue, your placement of blame on the client is unfounded. Secondly, when the bug reporting website is opened back up to the public, please submit a bug report with log server files AND crash dump files. You should have done this when you first experienced problems if you have not done so already. P.s: Altho we may not reply to your bug report, be assured that it WILL be looked at and the appropriate action will be taken, Jiekon, I hope you realize operating a bug reporting system like this does not exactly instill confidence that something will actually be done. This is especially true if you compare bug reporting to the customer service situation. I really urge CCP to look at giving some transparency to the process and allow all players to know what bugs exist, and what the status is (verified, unverified, corrected in xyz release). Don't tell me that this would take to much time, surely CCP has tracking mechanisms for bugs, they should be made public, or at least partially. Lugz
Ratsock Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.10.28 07:49:00 - [54] Edited by: Ratsock on 28/10/2006 07:52:49 Originally by: Lugz Originally by: Jiekon Firstly, seeing as the majority of players are not experienceing this exact same issue, your placement of blame on the client is unfounded. Secondly, when the bug reporting website is opened back up to the public, please submit a bug report with log server files AND crash dump files. You should have done this when you first experienced problems if you have not done so already. P.s: Altho we may not reply to your bug report, be assured that it WILL be looked at and the appropriate action will be taken, Jiekon, I hope you realize operating a bug reporting system like this does not exactly instill confidence that something will actually be done. This is especially true if you compare bug reporting to the customer service situation. I really urge CCP to look at giving some transparency to the process and allow all players to know what bugs exist, and what the status is (verified, unverified, corrected in xyz release). Don't tell me that this would take to much time, surely CCP has tracking mechanisms for bugs, they should be made public, or at least partially. Lugz Agreed. Being notified on updates of bugs you report is a basic customer service. The current system treats players who report bug as people who's services CCP can utilize then discard. It is not a player's job to report these bugs. When someone does report a bug it is common decency to let them know what the status is. It would not be at all hard to add a line that automatically emails/eve mails the reporter when a status change occurs. This is just bad customer service
dabster Minmatar dabster Corp	Posted - 2006.10.28 08:47:00 - [55] I had issues extremly similar to what this is about...turned out it was my hardware. Could be simple such as your netgear not delivering enough current. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Futile Zombie KarWal Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:02:00 - [56] I have had the exact same problem since Dragon too, but its got a lot better since the very last patch. Clearing out the cache normally fixes it for me too. My hardware/ISP/router etc hadn't changed. I'm in Scotland too though, maybe the networks packets decided to take the scenic route and got lost in the highlands or something.
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:14:00 - [57] Hrmph, more denial from CCP? "Your accusation that its the client is unfounded"? WTH... so something that worked fine for everybody before dragon... yet that for a small number of people is consistently broken AFTER dragon is obviously not the fault of the client? Use a little logic. I get this error as well but only after dragon, the issue is not helped by clearing the cache or - in fact - restarting the client as the dialog box suggests. XP Pro + SP2, 2GB 3500 DDR, AMD x2 64 4200Mhz, 250gigs free HD, 2x Nvidia 7200 SLI, Creative Audigy 2 ZS ______________________________________
Thor Xian State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.28 09:37:00 - [58] Haven't we been passed 30k subscribers for a loong time now? Even assuming an average of 2.4 accounts? ~TX
Halkin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:10:00 - [59] Edited by: Halkin on 28/10/2006 10:13:08 Edited by: Halkin on 28/10/2006 10:10:38 Originally by: Estel Arador I have the same problem as the OP described on one of my computers. The problem is the computer; Eve runs fine on my other computer. same for me, PC no 1 is fine, PC no 2 is a nightmare and can take several attemps to log in. have tried fresh reinstalls, checked the memory with memtest, had recently had a complete reinstall of Windows. weird tbh but I cant find the problem, but it isnt the client for sure. edited for missing letters and general nubness Originally by: Hygelac "There's three sides to every story, your side, our side and the Truth!"
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.28 10:12:00 - [60] And there is the crux of the problem.. There are as many hardware combinations for PC's as there are subscribers.. What works for one PC may be completly borked for another.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"

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