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mr ed thehouseofed
Wrought iron Industries
32717
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Posted - 2015.01.07 10:35:53 -
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took some more pics of the sleepers i thought were interesting , i decided to attack one with my drones , the sleeper in question basically spun on the spot the entire time and scanned my drones the entire time as well.
this i thought was unusual the other 4 sleepers came back from scanning the structure and spent a good 5 mins scanning my drones , my ship and the sleeper wreck my drones had just killed , thats all they did before warping off .
has anyone else noticed unusual behaviour with the sleepers lately?
the 4 remaining sleepers came back after 5 mins to start their scanning again.
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i want a eve pinball machine... -áconfirming -áCCP Cognac is best cognac
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6035
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:38:17 -
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There's a rumor about in the networks and even some capsuleer footage, unconfirmed of course, that these seekers have attacked not only capsuleer-driven vessels but their pods too.
If this is the case, and given their ability to follow in warp and even seek out cloaked ships, we could be in big trouble here.
While scientific study is necessary, not killing them wherever found might be leaving them to adapt, build weapons, and grow stronger.
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Temba Mapindazi
6
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Posted - 2015.01.10 16:20:47 -
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I have destroyed many of them in high sec 0.9 space where they have an unidentified structure set up. They are as yet unable to break free once pointed and scrambled.
The only weakness they demonstrate is the habit of returning to the same spots repeatedly. It makes it easy to ambush them.
I think those concerned that the information gained from allowing them to freely scan is weighted heavily in their favor are correct. Drones have no record of peaceful intentions when it comes to their interaction with humans. When the other shoe finally drops I suspect it will not be pleasant.
To date they have shown no ability to repair each other, armor and hull damage remains if they slip free from being warp disrupted by going in different directions. When you track down the one ship that might have eluded you the damage is still present.
A combat pilot must have two goals to survive, -á#1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1248
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Posted - 2015.01.13 13:34:54 -
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Considering the Concord warning, it was required because as of today, the Seekers changed behaviour!
The changed behaviour includes:
-They defend themselves when attacked -They follow aggressors through warp -They pod capsuleers (usually only other capsuleers do this, non capsuleers are generally pleased with eliminating the threat posed by the capsuleer's ship, leaving the pod alone as it's harmless) -They possibly scramble the target priority list of drones, making them unreliable in focus-fire situations (this requires more investigation to verify!)
So be on your guard! It seems the Seekers are indeed learning & adapting from what they endure & observe! Do keep in mind, so far, Seekers don't agress themselves, they merely defend themselves from agression. While the Seeker damage has been reported as weak, they still are a threat to smaller ships when they fly in groups!
You can read more about it here: 'Circadian Seekers retaliate!'
So folks, stay alert!
Also, keep observing them & report any oddities, the more observations & research we do, the more accurate conclusions that can be derived!
(Edit: I know it's a copy-paste from the Concord warning thread, but that one got so derailed by bickering capsuleers that any useful post gets drowned in the senseless bickering! So placed it here as it's also relevant to this thread & gives new info about the Seekers! )
Circadian Seekers retaliate!
Capsuleers deal a serious blow to 'De-Minmatarization' - program!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6070
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Posted - 2015.01.14 07:05:15 -
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Had an encounter yesterday.
SSTG Gamera happened upon them and followed them to this customs office where they were seen scanning it. Note the ripple of energy on the customs station.
Close up view from the side.
Being scanned. Has any known module emitted this energy pattern?
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1261
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Posted - 2015.01.14 10:02:11 -
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Curious, looks like a much more powerful version of the blue glow emitted by stargates when they are scanned (faint blue glow on a scanned Stargate)
Circadian Seekers retaliate!
Capsuleers deal a serious blow to 'De-Minmatarization' - program!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6074
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Posted - 2015.01.14 16:42:11 -
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Yes notice the blue rippling effect also occurred on the customs station, like electrical discharge on the surface of the hull. I failed to notice if this happened to my ship or drones.
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Temba Mapindazi
7
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Posted - 2015.01.14 19:28:54 -
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Update:
I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies.
Imagine my surprise when engaging an Alvi at the anomaly when two of the Cicada drones that had been at the station dropped out of warp behind me and began engaging again. More then a little annoying I can tell you that.
I had previously destroyed a drone anomaly in the same system 0.9 space. Can it be the new Cicada drones will aggress anyone who has recently aggressed drones? Even if they were not directly aggressed? I think I just found that to be true.
The question is now how long and far will they continue to hunt me?
I'll post more when I have additional facts to share.
A combat pilot must have two goals to survive, -á#1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!
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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
44
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Posted - 2015.01.14 21:27:36 -
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Temba Mapindazi wrote:Update:
I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies. .
That was going to be my next question. Is CONCORD offering bounties on them?
If they're not just attacking you, but actively hunting you, then I think the profit is in your continued existence. Especially if they are going after pods. What does your quote say about first and last shots?
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1027
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Posted - 2015.01.14 21:28:15 -
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Temba Mapindazi wrote:Update:
I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies.
Imagine my surprise when engaging an Alvi at the anomaly when two of the Cicada drones that had been at the station dropped out of warp behind me and began engaging again. More then a little annoying I can tell you that.
I had previously destroyed a drone anomaly in the same system 0.9 space. Can it be the new Cicada drones will aggress anyone who has recently aggressed drones? Even if they were not directly aggressed? I think I just found that to be true.
The question is now how long and far will they continue to hunt me?
I'll post more when I have additional facts to share.
So let me get this right. You did not aggress the Circadian Seekers at any time, and they shot first? Then followed you around?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Temba Mapindazi
8
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Posted - 2015.01.15 12:55:32 -
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Jukko Riis wrote:Temba Mapindazi wrote:Update:
I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies. . That was going to be my next question. Is CONCORD offering bounties on them? If they're not just attacking you, but actively hunting you, then I think the profit is in your continued existence. Especially if they are going after pods. What does your quote say about first and last shots? You are quite correct, them aggressing and shooting me was new behavior, so I was not able to get the first shot. Knowing that they would try to pod me is indeed a consideration upon mission profits, loss of a ship, an experienced crew, followed by the indignity of being podded in highsec would have been an unforgivable blunder on my part, so I settled for picking the time I would get into combat with them on my terms, not theirs.
A combat pilot must have two goals to survive, -á#1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!
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Temba Mapindazi
8
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:06:31 -
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Soldarius wrote:Temba Mapindazi wrote:Update:
I was aggressed upon undocking by drones outside the station. I found this very interesting, but since destroying them derives no profit I warped off to kill pirates/ rogue drone anomalies.
Imagine my surprise when engaging an Alvi at the anomaly when two of the Cicada drones that had been at the station dropped out of warp behind me and began engaging again. More then a little annoying I can tell you that.
I had previously destroyed a drone anomaly in the same system 0.9 space. Can it be the new Cicada drones will aggress anyone who has recently aggressed drones? Even if they were not directly aggressed? I think I just found that to be true.
The question is now how long and far will they continue to hunt me?
I'll post more when I have additional facts to share. So let me get this right. You did not aggress the Circadian Seekers at any time, and they shot first? Then followed you around? As I stated apparently not quite clear enough I had just undocked after running an anomaly that had contained rogue drones that I had destroyed, I had not docked after engaging Cicadian Seekers. That was why I wondered if they had somehow either labeled me hostile for those actions or are remembering who has aggressed them in the past with a shoot on sight protocol.
Until my next encounter with them unfolds I am left with as many questions as you fellow pilot.
If they are in the business of attacking ships in highsec I think it's time a bounty is placed on them. Expending ammo to destroy them is a unprofitable use of isk at the moment, except when to safeguard my ship from their aggression.
They are adapting to highsec so should we and Concord.
A combat pilot must have two goals to survive, -á#1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1028
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Posted - 2015.01.15 15:13:11 -
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Temba Mapindazi wrote:As I stated apparently not quite clear enough I had just undocked after running an anomaly that had contained rogue drones that I had destroyed, I had not docked after engaging Cicadian Seekers. That was why I wondered if they had somehow either labeled me hostile for those actions or are remembering who has aggressed them in the past with a shoot on sight protocol.
Until my next encounter with them unfolds I am left with as many questions as you fellow pilot.
If they are in the business of attacking ships in highsec I think it's time a bounty is placed on them. Expending ammo to destroy them is a unprofitable use of isk at the moment, except when to safeguard my ship from their aggression.
They are adapting to highsec so should we and Concord.
Bolded the important part. You start off saying you went and engaged some rogue drones, and then go on to say you had not docked after engaging Circadian Sleepers. So it sounds like the rogue drones are irrelevant and you shot the sleepers first when you saw them... somewhere. Then they came after you. So, who shot first? I understand the part about them following you around. But did you shoot the Circadian Sleepers first or not? If not, at what point did they engage you? These are important points to determining their AI characteristics and engagement parameters.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Eojek
Starlight Moly
48
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:55:10 -
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Subject, EWF on Seekers: I assigned a Scorpion crew to intercept some of the seekers at a structure. 1/4 EWF modules could gain some ground, which caused the Seekers themselves to be unable to shoot back. The Seekers could break the lockdown and lob a few volleys. 1/3rd of the time they were able to break the lockdown. |
Crystal Chantreuse
TalCorp Enterprises Care Factor
5
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:47:26 -
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Hm, it may be time to fight back hard. And I think they may be their own undoing. The technologies they continue to bring to known space has piqued my interest and I've continued to study them. The mix of polarization technology and rift calibration technology has caught my attention the most. I think if I can find more of their caches, I may be a little closer to developing a nasty surprise for any enemy that attempts to activate a cynoural field, wormhole, or other manner of space-bending rift. By reversing the pol--.. oh I ramble. In any case, I'm currently working on a retaliation device which I am calling the Directed Egress Recalibration Pulse. Back to work...
~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6090
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:33:51 -
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Incident report: Engagement of sleeper drones. Filed: HW CEO Sigma Special Tactics Group Time 08:12:19 Nuken System The Forge Region
At approximately 0800 SSTG Darkhound, a Maelstrom battleship, encountered 4 Circadian Seekers at an unidentified structure and engaged them with 4 Hammerhead II medium drones and one Valkryie SW-600 medilum drone. After destroying 2 drones, 4 more sleeper drones appeared for a total of 6 sleeper drones at the height of the engagement. Initially the engagement went well but the damage the sleepers inflicted on the shielding surpassed the energy capacity required to keep the shields up and the shields were nearly down by approximately 0840.
Responding to a request for aid, SSTG Shewolf, a Gallente Hyperion better equipped to destroy drones met SSTG Darkhound at a warpoff point between the anomaly and the Korsiki gate, unable to warp entirely the distance to the Korsiki gate. The engagement continued there with SSTG Darkhound attempting to regain shielding and SSTG Shewolf engaged the sleepers. 4 sleepers followed SSTG Darkhound to this spot which is where it ended simply from not having enough energy to generate a warp tunnel sufficient to arrive out of warp at the Korsiki gate to meet up with SSTG Shewolf.
SSTG Shewolf engaged 4 sleeper drones with 2x Gecko, 2x Hammerhead II, and 1X Hobgoblin II in an attempt to draw off the attention of the sleeper drones but this did not work. The sleepers continues their attack on SSTG Darkhound. Unable to maintain defenses, SSTG Darkhound warped away to the Korsikii gate. SSTG Shewolf continued to engage the 4 sleeper drones, destroying 2 of them, and shortly after the other 2 warped out of the battle in pursuit of SSTG Darkhound.
During this time, SSTG Darkhound changed course to a station in the Nuken system for repairs. The sleepers did not arrive at the second warp point, but shortly after SSTG Darkhound docked and SSTG Shewolf arrived at the same station for a rendezvous, 2 sleeper drones arrived and began to engage SSTG Shewolf.
After repairs and a recharge SSTG Darkhound was able to return to the battle.
During the engagement, the following behaviors were noted:
- when SSTG Darkhound deployed the SW-600 drone on the sleeper drone, the drone would take up an orbit of approximately 5 KM - SSTG Shewolf is equipped with onboard warp scrambler and stasis webifier and when used on a sleeper drone, the sleeper drone took up an orbit of exactly 10 KM, staying out of range of the webifier and warp scrambler. - Both ships experienced what appeared to be random sporadic target dropoff of the drones of various types such that the drones would "lose memory" and go idle during the confrontation the directive to engage the target had to be reissued. But at times, the reiteration of the engagement directive would cause more drones to go into idling mode. - at times SSTG Darkhound seemed able to withstand the sleeper drone onslaught but the damage done by the sleeper drones would appear to spike and take considerable buffer from the shielding. Notably SSTG Darkhound defenses consist of a large booster, extra large booster, and 1 boost amplifier. The more refined platform of SSTG Shewolf did not have issues maintaining armor defenses fielding 3X Reinforced steel plating and 2 large armor repair units. Neither ship was equipped with damage type resistance amplification. - Sleeper "aggro" as the vernacular goes appears to me more advanced and not driven by which ship is inflicting more damage to their hulls. This is unlike the usual rogue drones encountered in the region. - Once SSTG Darkhound was docked for repairs, the sleepers that followed it to the station engaged SSTG Shewolf.
Advisory: these are more advanced than rogue drones. Approach as one would sleepers in unknown wormhole systems. Tactics regarding orbit distance and modification of it per the threat suggests that these sleepers might have "learned" tactics from engaging Raa Thalamus prototype Sansha ships as their maneuvers appear to mimic them although sleepers are much slower.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2015.01.16 11:13:17 -
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If you taught them to defend themselves, can you imagine what will happen if you continue attacking them?
What if they will start recognizing us as a threat that fires always and it's best decision to attack us first?
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1031
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Posted - 2015.01.16 15:46:33 -
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In regards to:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Incident report: Engagement of sleeper drones. Filed: HW CEO Sigma Special Tactics Group Time 08:12:19 Nuken System The Forge Region
Nice report, especially concerning Circadian Sleeper response to ship-mounted stasis webification.
Also, for the love of Aura, fit some hardeners. It makes a huge difference.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Temba Mapindazi
8
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Posted - 2015.01.16 16:28:46 -
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Soldarius wrote:In regards to: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Incident report: Engagement of sleeper drones. Filed: HW CEO Sigma Special Tactics Group Time 08:12:19 Nuken System The Forge Region Nice report, especially concerning Circadian Sleeper response to ship-mounted stasis webification. Also, for the love of Aura, fit some hardeners. It makes a huge difference. Inquiry:
Which hardeners have you found most effective against sleeper attack?
A combat pilot must have two goals to survive, -á#1 get the first shot in every fight , #2 get the last shot in every fight!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6099
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:41:56 -
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Soldarius wrote:In regards to: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Incident report: Engagement of sleeper drones. Filed: HW CEO Sigma Special Tactics Group Time 08:12:19 Nuken System The Forge Region Nice report, especially concerning Circadian Sleeper response to ship-mounted stasis webification. Also, for the love of Aura, fit some hardeners. It makes a huge difference.
SSTG Darkhound is a test platform.
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1035
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:32:01 -
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Post-combat damage log analysis indicates their missiles use conventional explosive/kinetic warheads. But they also have some sort of energy-based weapon similar to lasers. These obviously deal EM/thermal damage. So plug your resist holes and omnitank.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Jeane DuPont
DuPont Enterprises
9
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Posted - 2015.01.17 01:46:09 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Incident report: Engagement of sleeper drones. Filed: HW CEO Sigma Special Tactics Group Time 08:12:19 Nuken System The Forge Region
Those Circadian Seekers are obviously learning from us and uploading whatever they learn to a possibly sophisticated neural network with capabilities far from our imagination. So everytime we attack them, they also learn more from us. Since we have plenty of "trigger happy" capsuleers flying all around, seekers should have learned and uploaded an impressive ammount of information by now.
Why are we teaching them how to destroy us?
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Crystal Chantreuse
TalCorp Enterprises Care Factor
5
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Posted - 2015.01.17 02:37:26 -
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Update: Another standard cache was discovered in the Providence region. My team member succeeded in hacking into the damaged cache containers. Upon successfully disarming one of the defense alarm units, another cache container was reavealed, in much more Pristine condition than the others. The pilot was able to obtain various sleeper components as would commonly be found, as well as a 3-run blueprint copy for what appears to be labeled as a " 'Pilfer' Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane." Attempts at disarming the remaining defense units were unsuccessful, and we were unable to activate the tractor beam or obtain coordinates before evacuating the site. Activity beyond the second rift continues to remain a mystery.
~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager
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Gods Prophet
Nordic Demons Inc Warped Intentions
17
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Posted - 2015.01.17 17:51:48 -
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A troubling new turn.
My corp mate reported that he and two other corpies attacked a group of Circadian sleepers on a gate while on the way to a mission. They defeated them, then jumped thru the gate to the next system where the mission was. When they arrived at the acceleration gate to the mission...
More Circadian Sleepers were waiting for them.
The Seekers immediately engaged my corp mates which suggests they were tied to the original group that were defeated. My friends defeated the seekers and they then warped into the mission and during the battle with the mission rats MORE seekers warped in and engaged my corp mates.
This shows that they might now be anticipating the movement of capsuleers who attack them and then lie in wait for them. We might want to prepare to be hunted.
(On a side note, I will be immensely pleased if CCP will use these Seekers and more like them to be the mechanic which will force Sov changes in the game. Imagine a day in the very near future when the changes to SOV have been announced and suddenly these Seekers come in and attack all the SOV infrastructure in the game, setting everything back to zero.) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:07:54 -
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Gods Prophet wrote:A troubling new turn.
My corp mate reported that he and two other corpies attacked a group of Circadian sleepers on a gate while on the way to a mission. They defeated them, then jumped thru the gate to the next system where the mission was. When they arrived at the acceleration gate to the mission...
More Circadian Sleepers were waiting for them.
The Seekers immediately engaged my corp mates which suggests they were tied to the original group that were defeated. My friends defeated the seekers and they then warped into the mission and during the battle with the mission rats MORE seekers warped in and engaged my corp mates.
This shows that they might now be anticipating the movement of capsuleers who attack them and then lie in wait for them. We might want to prepare to be hunted.
(On a side note, I will be immensely pleased if CCP will use these Seekers and more like them to be the mechanic which will force Sov changes in the game. Imagine a day in the very near future when the changes to SOV have been announced and suddenly these Seekers come in and attack all the SOV infrastructure in the game, setting everything back to zero.)
Well that's a new turn. So it's possible that seekers have the ability to track the direction and collapse point of a warp tunnel.
If the seekers learn interdiction capabilities, they will become as capable as Concord in that aspect.
This bodes ill for us all.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:09:08 -
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BTW if anybody is interested in the ship logs for statistical analyses I can make them available.
This research may be benefited well if we activate the combat logging in our ships before these encounters and start collecting data for more empirical calculations. Science and all that.
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Crystal Chantreuse
TalCorp Enterprises Care Factor
7
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Posted - 2015.01.18 03:57:57 -
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Update: Another standard cache has yielded eleven Ancient Coordinates Databases. Before now, I have only seen the more common Sleeper Data Libraries. The discoveries continue...
~Crystal Chantreuse, Janitorial Services Manager
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6111
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Posted - 2015.01.19 08:32:10 -
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Today some additional encounters. Notably there are more of them around these days and are getting easier to find.
First thing I did was engage some sleepers with a smaller "hit and run" cruiser SSTG Night Terror. The goal is not to kill them, just get them to pursue.
And pursue they did.
Initially in the Obanen system, I hit some of them and then jumped through the Olo gate. after a few minutes, returned to the Obanen system to see if they were at the gate. They were not. I don't know if they went to that gate.
So I waited for a little while and then wondered that if Sleepers can detect the presence of a capsuleer (note they can go to a station you are at without even seeing you warp there) do they look at local? I don't know on what level they deem "presence" of a target.
So using my scientific skills (yes I am a scientist after all), I decided to see if they pay attention to local. I now give you two log excerpts, one from the communications log in Obanen, and the other from the combat events log of SSTG Night Terror.
[06:08:42] Herzog Wolfhammer > I'm right here, sleepers [06:09:45] Herzog Wolfhammer > (This is just a test to see if sleepers can be smack-talked) [06:10:08] Herzog Wolfhammer > Hey Sleepers I had sex with a toaster last night and then I realize it was yer mom [06:10:29] Herzog Wolfhammer > OMG it worked
06:10:28Combat295 from Circadian Seeker - Penetrates 06:10:32Combat101 from Circadian Seeker - Praedormitan Missile - Hits 06:10:32CombatCircadian Seeker misses you completely 06:10:33Combat162 from Circadian Seeker - Glances Off 06:10:34GenericJumping from Obanen to Olo
I'm not sure if we can conclude that sleepers can be smack-talked. It may be coincidence.
Additional notes from these latest encounters:
Their warpoff is very fast and directional, but when they warp onto grid, they are not visibly warping in like a normal space craft. They tend to simply appear at the same range they were engaging at depending on their "experience".
Attacking cloaked structure in front of them does not illicit a response
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:08:25 -
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Insult them again and see what happens. We need to see if the result is repeatable.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
53
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:14:12 -
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Hey, since you are shooting them... I have an idea:
Shoot seekers, then dock. Change your ship to Zephyr, undock and see if they continue to fight back.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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