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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.03 06:47:22 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:This isn't such a great idea. Insulate people from ship loss, and they won't be able to handle it later when they have to stand on their own two feet and eat a big loss. Kind of like how childhood is being extended into the 20's in america from permissive parenting and run amok pop armchair psych. The longer you coddle people, the worse they have it when they have to stand on their own. Not everyone will know the rule to not fly what you cant afford to lose. They'll be insulated by free ships instead of learning to minimize their own risk.
Fear... Fear is what holds us back in Eve. The more we fear a ship loss, the more likely we are not to undock. The more we fear poor ISK efficiency, the worse our efficiency becomes. We are immortals. We don't die. We should not fear the loss of our ship. There are others we will fly in again. Teach the newbies not to fear. Teach the newbies the joy of ships exploding. Theirs and their targets' ships. Ships lost do not matter. It's simply a bit of time spent to acquire the replacement. Which will - which SHOULD - be lost as well tomorrow. Fearing risk, minimizing risk, leads to stagnation in Eve. One learns from doing. Embrace the risk. Embrace the loss of ships. Only when we let go of the fear, when we engage when others run and dock, will we find our joy.
Bob is the god of wormholes and capriciousness. But we are the gods of our own resolve. |
Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts
132
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Posted - 2015.05.03 18:50:10 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:This isn't such a great idea. Insulate people from ship loss, and they won't be able to handle it later when they have to stand on their own two feet and eat a big loss. Kind of like how childhood is being extended into the 20's in america from permissive parenting and run amok pop armchair psych. The longer you coddle people, the worse they have it when they have to stand on their own. Not everyone will know the rule to not fly what you cant afford to lose. They'll be insulated by free ships instead of learning to minimize their own risk.
You are completely wrong.
Mike's effort here is all about providing an opportunity for newbs to experience PVP without losing everything they have managed to earn in the game.
If they take advantage of this experience, which many hopefully will, they will quickly learn that PVP is nothing to be afraid of, that in fact it is fun, that in fact getting your pixels popped is also fun. Almost as much fun as popping somebody else's. Hopefully, with that learning under their belts but without having lost everything while learning nothing (which is the usual experience for a first time PVPer) they then decide that PVP is an aspect of the game they can participate in and enjoy.
I totally support Mike's position on this and will keep on supporting the regular ongoing newb-supporting activities the CAS Combat Guild provide.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
114
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Posted - 2015.05.03 23:44:48 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:This isn't such a great idea. Insulate people from ship loss, and they won't be able to handle it later when they have to stand on their own two feet and eat a big loss. Kind of like how childhood is being extended into the 20's in america from permissive parenting and run amok pop armchair psych. The longer you coddle people, the worse they have it when they have to stand on their own. Not everyone will know the rule to not fly what you cant afford to lose. They'll be insulated by free ships instead of learning to minimize their own risk. You are completely wrong. Mike's effort here is all about providing an opportunity for newbs to experience PVP without losing everything they have managed to earn in the game. If they take advantage of this experience, which many hopefully will, they will quickly learn that PVP is nothing to be afraid of, that in fact it is fun, that in fact getting your pixels popped is also fun. Almost as much fun as popping somebody else's. Hopefully, with that learning under their belts but without having lost everything while learning nothing (which is the usual experience for a first time PVPer) they then decide that PVP is an aspect of the game they can participate in and enjoy. I totally support Mike's position on this and will keep on supporting the regular ongoing newb-supporting activities the CAS Combat Guild provide.
Time to lowjack some newbies then, and watch their killboards with free ships and when they stop having free ships.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts
133
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Posted - 2015.05.04 09:42:24 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:
Time to lowjack some newbies then, and watch their killboards with free ships and when they stop having free ships.
Mike's initiative is not a long-term SRP program. It is a series of ad-hoc events where new players can join, experience PVP without risking serious losses then go back to whatever they do normally in the game. That experience will benefit them, regardless of how they choose to play.
An event. To provide an experience re: an aspect of the game that most players are too nervous to try. Not a permanent arrangement. Get it?
What exactly is wrong with that?
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
23433
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:15:33 -
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Nothing is wrong with it ... ... as long as it's properly engineered.
She's overreacting. I understand the worries, but these are just events and nothing more.
Making people aware of them not being handheld is important.
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Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
572
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:05:39 -
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Not usually a fan of your work Mike, but kudos on this effort.
Please send all aspiring ninjas and those interested in Stealth Bombers, Cloaky shenanigans and Exploring our way. With Suddenly Ninjas and TEARS on somewhat of quiet period, some of us alumni have branched into other pursuits. I'm still happy to teach new bros. Are ship donations accepted?
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2764
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Posted - 2015.05.18 03:23:32 -
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Solomar Espersei wrote:Not usually a fan of your work Mike, but kudos on this effort.
Please send all aspiring ninjas and those interested in Stealth Bombers, Cloaky shenanigans and Exploring our way. With Suddenly Ninjas and TEARS on somewhat of quiet period, some of us alumni have branched into other pursuits. I'm still happy to teach new bros. Are ship donations accepted?
Send me a recruitment pitch for new players and I will pass it along to the mailing list.
If you want to test the water and just see how many show up or are interested let me know. Hell I will give you a half down frigs or dessies to take a few newbros out with.
Support from vets can be in the form of isk, ships but we all know that the most valuable resource is TIME
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2825
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Posted - 2015.06.18 16:58:11 -
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Okay, so Amarr run was done just before the Burn takes place. Caldari is today, Kestrels and Coraxi.
Do YOU watch Local?
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Marseillefrog
Blueprint Mania
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:02:34 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:This isn't such a great idea. Insulate people from ship loss, and they won't be able to handle it later when they have to stand on their own two feet and eat a big loss. Kind of like how childhood is being extended into the 20's in america from permissive parenting and run amok pop armchair psych. The longer you coddle people, the worse they have it when they have to stand on their own. Not everyone will know the rule to not fly what you cant afford to lose. They'll be insulated by free ships instead of learning to minimize their own risk.
Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave? |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2917
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Posted - 2015.08.08 22:42:24 -
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Two funny things related
1) I do see a difference in each system, some are quiet, others welcoming. One always seems to have a lot of russinas and sends me scrambling to google translate.
2) I do an kneejerk check of anybody who asks for a new ship. You five minutes old? fine. You are 5 years old and have been changing corps regularly through that time? You do not need my charity
but somoene in that latter class asked for a ship and said they hadn't played in three years. Fine, look at the employment history . . . active as all hell. So I called them on it, said they were a liar.
they called me a racist
I laughed. But since then I have thought about it and point (1) and I do give to everybody but I see a difference in the races . . . is seeing a difference racism?
Anyways . . . The bus is still running to all 12 career systems and still doing well
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Urziel99
Multiplex Gaming The Bastion
126
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Posted - 2015.08.09 10:57:45 -
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Ah, the race card. Tired retort of lowlifes everywhere. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3016
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Posted - 2015.09.18 12:05:30 -
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My week long sabbatical to Iceland is almost at an end and the bus will be back in action in a few days.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:33:42 -
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Does it make me a bad person if I listened to your interview with Mynxee, and now want to donate a few billion ISK to chain you to the bus for the rest of time? |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3024
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:11:51 -
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People are still listening to that? I thought it had sunk into the depths of time
and helping new folks with donations is nice even if it means the eternal torment of yours truly
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:59:20 -
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Well in fairness I listened to that a few weeks ago. It wasn't until the PLEX prices started going absolutely nuts in the last week I started to think about how a week of morning coffee translates into hundreds of frigates for newbies.
Any thoughts on whether the announced starter SP grant for the Vanguard patch will affect the Bus program? The only hole in the prereqs I can see is the lack of Cloaking I (CPU IV is being granted), so it looks like basically anything can be handed out with an expected skill up time of 0 min. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3026
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:05:23 -
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Yeah. I had some things to say about it. The most apparent thing is the drone skill needs to be drones III. I am not sure that direct starting skills is the right thing but the other options probably had a lot more programming issues.
The philosophy of starting players so they can fly is a good one . . . the line of where you start them varies from opinion to opinion.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:53:09 -
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Very true. I have my own (seemingly unique) perspective on where to start the newbros, but this would neither be the time nor place. :)
For Drones: The image I saw was from an Amarr character, which I assume is why the armor tank skills were at 3 while shields were at 1. My hope was that Gallente at least would have a higher Drones start, considering they've got the premier drone frigate. Unfortunate if that's not the case. Especially if Minnies and the Squids get stuck with sub-standard tanking skills. |
Zihao
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:56:56 -
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You'll armor tank that merlin and you'll like it! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1530
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Posted - 2015.09.25 02:08:49 -
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I support this initiative. New players mining for an hour to make half a million ISK in a venture are highly likely to eventually see the next step as a retriever and stay in carebear mode forever and eventually quite out of boredom.
Donating them ships is a bit like giving a young person in real life starter capital so they can break out of working at the gas station for a few bucks an hour.
Its not as if these are expensive ships either, I can recall at one stage donating 300 ventures I had sitting around to Angel Project (speculative super low buy order at a school got them for about 50K each) because I really could not be bothered moving them somewhere and selling them just to pick up 100 mill. |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2015.09.25 02:45:09 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:New players mining for an hour to make half a million ISK in a venture are highly likely to eventually see the next step as a retriever and stay in carebear mode forever and eventually quite out of boredom. And it's not just the career path. Something Mike goes over in the interview is the idea of "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." If you're mining for a mil an hour, some 1.3M fit frigate represents a lot of time going back to the Venture. So even if you don't want to mine, it's still the "thing you have to get good at to afford other things later."
And insult to injury, you can't even just donate a gas mining Venture. |
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3030
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:34:08 -
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Aerasia wrote:And insult to injury, you can't even just donate a gas mining Venture.
well I suppose it could be done if we tossed a gas mining skill book in the hold of the venture fitted as such.
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2015.09.25 04:35:17 -
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I don't think the Venture itself is the problem, but the 24 million ISK price tag on the Gas Harvesting skillbook might be a bit steep for the Bus program. |
William Ruben
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2015.09.25 05:06:40 -
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Nice initiative Mike! |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
38704
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Posted - 2015.11.10 23:51:24 -
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I support this operation
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
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Eve Vegas 2015 Pub Crawl Group 9
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3228
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Posted - 2015.11.16 20:55:45 -
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End of the month swiftly approaches and with that the celebration of Operation Magic School Bus being in service for one full year.
I honestly wish I had kept track of how many ships have been handed out.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1647
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:30:11 -
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I'd urge everyone to keep giving Mike stuff to give away, you get to feel good about yourself without having to put any actual effort in. It's pretty much ideal. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3237
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:12:22 -
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Finished a full set of laps early. Will see if I can get another run in before the weekend (By full set I mean all 12 career systems)
Watch Local
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3242
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:16:17 -
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Due to computer issues (motherboard fried, buying a new machine) the bus will be out for a few days. Help each other as much as you can and I will be back and touring the career systems as soon as I can.
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2015.12.16 23:12:22 -
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Where were you guys when I started!
I had to pull myself up by my boot straps and I didn't even have any boots...
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
313
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Posted - 2015.12.16 23:20:58 -
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i was gonna say that this should get more publicity but then i remember this thread has like 5k views.
well done mike. |
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