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Billy Hardcore Jaded. The Natural Order 275	Posted - 2014.12.16 17:38:19 - [1] - Quote Polarization timer, its a simple thing really. Its not a new mechanic, its just a timer like the fatigue or the drug booster. PLZ #BillyFleet
Kynric Sky Fighters 212	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:05:27 - [2] - Quote If you enable timestamps in your local channel you can see when you last switched systems. That along with arithmetic and your system clock will tell you what you need to know.
Billy Hardcore Jaded. The Natural Order 275	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:13:55 - [3] - Quote Kynric wrote: If you enable timestamps in your local channel you can see when you last switched systems. That along with arithmetic and your system clock will tell you what you need to know. im very well aware of the timestamp. But why cant we have a timer? it seems like such a simple thing! Boosters have timers combat has timers, and now fatigue has timers. why is it that we cant get one for something as simple as polarization. #BillyFleet
HTC NecoSino No Vacancies 125	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:29:30 - [4] - Quote Seems simple enough to add next to the session change timer. Would free up a little room on my desk, I have a 5-minute egg timer next to my monitor..
Ghenghis Kralj Big Johnson's Wormhole Clown Car 37	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:43:32 - [5] - Quote The only problem I see is that the timer could cause confusion for new players ("I have a timer and I can't jump into hisec!!!"). Technically it's a timer for a specific wormhole only and not a global variable. Not sure how to handle multiple jumps/timers. Maybe you could have it based on wh proximity or something? Not sure.
Ab'del Abu Atlantis Ascendant 118	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:46:44 - [6] - Quote Ghenghis Kralj wrote: The only problem I see is that the timer could cause confusion for new players ("I have a timer and I can't jump into hisec!!!"). Technically it's a timer for a specific wormhole only and not a global variable. Not sure how to handle multiple jumps/timers. Maybe you could have it based on wh proximity or something? Not sure. You could display the timer directly on the hole like a reinforced timer ...
350125GO Absolutely Certain 147	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:46:44 - [7] - Quote Ghenghis Kralj wrote: The only problem I see is that the timer could cause confusion for new players ("I have a timer and I can't jump into hisec!!!"). Technically it's a timer for a specific wormhole only and not a global variable. Not sure how to handle multiple jumps/timers. Maybe you could have it based on wh proximity or something? Not sure. Was just discussing this issue with someone. CCP could make it an overview setting, or a halo like when an npc engages you. BOB doesn't like it when you're informed though. You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
ArchAngael SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 16	Posted - 2014.12.16 18:50:03 - [8] - Quote Ghenghis Kralj wrote: The only problem I see is that the timer could cause confusion for new players ("I have a timer and I can't jump into hisec!!!"). Technically it's a timer for a specific wormhole only and not a global variable. Not sure how to handle multiple jumps/timers. Maybe you could have it based on wh proximity or something? Not sure. That's one of the issues as I understand it. You could have multiple polarization timers on multiple wormholes going, so how to represent that on-screen is a question. If not in space, next to the wormhole, or on the overview, which would be a new thing altogether afaik, then where? It could show in the upper left with a system and sig id, but I'm not sure that the sigId is synonymous with the wormhole. And in any case it would tell you which sig a wormhole is without having to scan it down, which is kinda circumventing the scan mechanic. Recruiter/Director of Supreme Mathematics Take my Eve Online Ship identification quiz at http://fenjaylabs.com/EveShipIdQuiz
Billy Hardcore Jaded. The Natural Order 275	Posted - 2014.12.16 19:00:18 - [9] - Quote ArchAngael wrote: Ghenghis Kralj wrote: The only problem I see is that the timer could cause confusion for new players ("I have a timer and I can't jump into hisec!!!"). Technically it's a timer for a specific wormhole only and not a global variable. Not sure how to handle multiple jumps/timers. Maybe you could have it based on wh proximity or something? Not sure. That's one of the issues as I understand it. You could have multiple polarization timers on multiple wormholes going, so how to represent that on-screen is a question. If not in space, next to the wormhole, or on the overview, which would be a new thing altogether afaik, then where? It could show in the upper left with a system and sig id, but I'm not sure that the sigId is synonymous with the wormhole. And in any case it would tell you which sig a wormhole is without having to scan it down, which is kinda circumventing the scan mechanic. The idea stated before with having the timer over the wh itsself. Like part of your scan overlay that shows you bookmarks and anoms on space. #BillyFleet
Andrew Jester Origin. Black Legion. 817	Posted - 2014.12.16 19:42:29 - [10] - Quote ~skillfloor~ If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Daimian Mercer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 86	Posted - 2014.12.16 19:48:37 - [11] - Quote I like this idea... Someone suggested I add it to Tripwire and I was shocked to hear CCP had not added a overview timer like they have for everything else. Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread Twitter \| [email protected]
Alundil Isogen 5 791	Posted - 2014.12.16 20:47:16 - [12] - Quote Kynric wrote: If you enable timestamps in your local channel you can see when you last switched systems. That along with arithmetic and your system clock will tell you what you need to know. This. It shouldn't be hard (tip: it isn't) to keep track of this. Yet another timer ticking down on screen somewhere will simply add to the overall visual clutter from various cycle timers for modules, depot timers, combat/aggression timers all vying for attention, many of which are locational/situational already. -1 I'm right behind you
Jack Miton Isogen 5 4005	Posted - 2014.12.16 21:15:15 - [13] - Quote this timer isnt needed. just dont be a scrub and you'll be fine. that said, im sure it will happen since it fits perfectly with the general dumbing down of eve mechanics. PS: Fozzie talked about this on DTP and he said it could potentially be like the engagement timer where only the longest one shows if you have several for different WHs. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Alundil Isogen 5 792	Posted - 2014.12.16 21:35:36 - [14] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: PS: Fozzie talked about this on DTP and he said it could potentially be like the engagement timer where only the longest one shows if you have several for different WHs. Which would be a bit daft, imo. Hopefully those manning the DPT mic that night disabused him of that notion. Showing one timer out of many is pretty pointless. In a wh with 5+ connections (pretty normal now these days) seeing that the longest timer still has a few minutes on it doesn't help those needing to know if the polarity has expired for a different open connection. No matter what, kepeing track of what which holes have been jumped and when is still going to be important. I'm right behind you
Andrew Jester Origin. Black Legion. 818	Posted - 2014.12.16 22:12:48 - [15] - Quote Jumping every WH in Thera in quick succession would make it a UI nightmare if they showed a timer for each one. It's completely useless if they don't though because then it doesn't really give any information If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
CivilWars Rolled Out Black Legion. 215	Posted - 2014.12.16 22:58:18 - [16] - Quote CCP please do this, and make it like the POCO/IHUB timers that float in space no matter where you are in system. Please invite me to ISO5 comms the day this releases, so I can hear Jack on comms. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun. Hidden Fremen liked your forum post:...
T0SHI KONI Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers. 4	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:44:33 - [17] - Quote I'm not a fan of this idea simply due to the visual clutter. When I have a weapon timer, a log off time, a drug timer, etc, one more timer on my screen is the last thing I want. My concern with a timer on the hole is server lag if each pilot in each fleet has one. I'm not sure how that would work.
BayneNothos United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners 114	Posted - 2014.12.17 05:50:23 - [18] - Quote You'd make it like the timer on a deployable. You'd only see the timer while on grid with the WH.
Navigation Boy Edge of Existence 13	Posted - 2014.12.17 07:45:02 - [19] - Quote I'm of the personal opinion that giving people plenty of opportunity to fail is absolutely essential in every game. When you start to develop the mindset of coddling poor or inattentive players, you are also limiting their ability to excel. Conversely, the mechanism is already there (local channel) so it would probably not really effect game difficulty, and only game transparency. I'm torn.
Jay Joringer 13. Enigma Project 427	Posted - 2014.12.17 08:40:58 - [20] - Quote Next people will be asking for local in wormholes. Man up or GTFO. http://smug-bastard.blogspot.co.uk
Papa Django CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue 47	Posted - 2014.12.17 09:43:17 - [21] - Quote Billy Hardcore wrote: Polarization timer, its a simple thing really. Its not a new mechanic, its just a timer like the fatigue or the drug booster. PLZ Horrible idea. Knowledge give an edge to Bob fellow and it is a good thing. Stay in KSpace or die polarized if you cant make a substraction.
Jez Amatin Enso Corp 45	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:07:59 - [22] - Quote Can I get a timer to remind me how much time I'd have if I didn't read such terrible forums?
Janeway84 Def Squadron Pride Before Fall 119	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:22:45 - [23] - Quote this is a horrible idea, it would ruin the immersion in wormholes. if they making a timer i guess they could have it next to the booster timer and not on overview.
Tim Nering R3d Fire 22	Posted - 2014.12.17 10:32:43 - [24] - Quote +1 lost a scanner 2 days ago because i was off by 10 seconds. ccp pls
Annabelle 'Zwei' Blondina Hidden Stash 0	Posted - 2014.12.17 13:05:48 - [25] - Quote Why are you asking CCP, this is the wh forums. /Looksfordevs.............................................. /Givesup
MooMooDachshundCow Incertae Sedis 150	Posted - 2014.12.17 15:25:56 - [26] - Quote Add timestamp to your local. Wait 6m if you're worried. Done. Polarization timer seems like something these high-tech ships might be able to handle monitoring. On the other hand it is a bit hand-holdy. I don't really care either way. Yeah, well, it's just like my-á*opinion*, man.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1439	Posted - 2014.12.17 17:23:12 - [27] - Quote I like this, not an earth shattering change, just a simple quality of life improvement. Simply the right tool for the job. A little timer in the usual place for such things. Sure, egg timers, sums based on timestamps, Siri, time between honey do's, cat's demands for attention or whatever are no substitute for things being done properly. +1 supported There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 764	Posted - 2014.12.17 18:24:51 - [28] - Quote This is clearly a QoL upgrade to finally allow us to throw out the local window from our hud (currently using it only for those timestamps). Yes please, +1 to simple info Annabelle 'Zwei' Blondina wrote: Why are you asking CCP, this is the wh forums. /Looksfordevs.............................................. /Givesup CSM members tend to point devs to relevant threads. A wild Fozzie also sometimes appears commenting on the rare technical issue. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Freddie Merrcury Daktaklakpak. 124	Posted - 2014.12.17 19:03:00 - [29] - Quote pls god no more things on my screen I can hardly read my spreadsheets through all the notifications and scanning icons cluttering my vision I been kicked out of better homes than this.
Senn Denroth Lazerhawks 231	Posted - 2014.12.18 05:37:35 - [30] - Quote Yeah lets add some more noob friendly stuff to wormholes.
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1653	Posted - 2014.12.18 09:39:30 - [31] - Quote Yes please. Also a jump cloak timer. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Justice Shallow Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.18 11:11:04 - [32] - Quote Yes and after that add a timer timer so you can see when your next timer is due to start. Actually I still don't understand why there is jump cloak for WHs. On gates sure but WHs what is the lore for that one? Anyway my 2p is that there are already too many times. I can always click on the WH and try to jump and see exactly how long I have left to fret over my personally stupidity. If I'm worried about someone in the hole with me taking advantage of the fact I'm stuck there, then I can bounce between BMs for 3 minutes if I don't have a cloak (use a watch or the EVE clock, it's easy).
Samantha Elroy Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 7	Posted - 2015.01.12 09:30:17 - [33] - Quote Billy Hardcore wrote: Polarization timer, its a simple thing really. Its not a new mechanic, its just a timer like the fatigue or the drug booster. PLZ Yeah mate, this would be very nice and handy. But you have to think about on the other hand that wspace should be dangerous and unknown like it was planned. So use the timestamp only, be fine, feel in advantage that you're knowing this. The more "help" is inserted into wspace make it less to get these freekills, these 'oh gosh why i fckin' cant jump back' guys. Don't fix wspace into newbro space where all get their help.
poerkie Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed. 10	Posted - 2015.01.12 12:09:12 - [34] - Quote gonna be hard to make. there isnt a unique part of a wormhole connection that we can see. so it could give wrong information. ie with 2 connections between a wormhole. so for which one is the polorization timer tell me XD or what i would maybe like more is some sort of count down on the object itself in space or overvieuw or on the jump button.
Jennifer Rhoswen Tarsis Inc 0	Posted - 2015.01.12 16:27:12 - [35] - Quote A timer while on grid would be very useful. Especially for newbros who enter wormholes and don't even know the mechanic exists.
a DAMN PATRIOT Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 12	Posted - 2015.01.12 20:07:32 - [36] - Quote Justice Shallow wrote: Yes and after that add a timer timer so you can see when your next timer is due to start. Actually I still don't understand why there is jump cloak for WHs. On gates sure but WHs what is the lore for that one? Because every second I can look at the hole I just jumped into without the carebears knowing is a win for me. As to the topic of the thread: The biggest thing I like about wormholes is that there's something of an art to living here. WH life sucks, and we kind of take pride in that. Rolling holes perfectly and under stress, or knowing how have 100% complete hole control, or knowing when your polarization timer is up are examples of that art. It belongs to the people who have experience here, and I don't want wormholes to be made so easy that there's no longer any mystery. Might as well add exact mass and time left to the info window on wormholes.
Alundil Isogen 5 825	Posted - 2015.01.12 22:33:13 - [37] - Quote Alundil wrote: Kynric wrote: If you enable timestamps in your local channel you can see when you last switched systems. That along with arithmetic and your system clock will tell you what you need to know. This. It shouldn't be hard (tip: it isn't) to keep track of this. Yet another timer ticking down on screen somewhere will simply add to the overall visual clutter from various cycle timers for modules, depot timers, combat/aggression timers all vying for attention, many of which are locational/situational already. -1 RE-quoting because it's still relevant and accurate. In short - No. I'm right behind you
Samantha Elroy Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 11	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:59:58 - [38] - Quote a DAMN PATRIOT wrote: Justice Shallow wrote: Yes and after that add a timer timer so you can see when your next timer is due to start. Actually I still don't understand why there is jump cloak for WHs. On gates sure but WHs what is the lore for that one? Because every second I can look at the hole I just jumped into without the carebears knowing is a win for me. As to the topic of the thread: The biggest thing I like about wormholes is that there's something of an art to living here. WH life sucks, and we kind of take pride in that. Rolling holes perfectly and under stress, or knowing how have 100% complete hole control, or knowing when your polarization timer is up are examples of that art. It belongs to the people who have experience here, and I don't want wormholes to be made so easy that there's no longer any mystery. Might as well add exact mass and time left to the info window on wormholes. 99% totally agreed mate, exactly that's the point. The last sentence would be my 1%, just of because the peeps who are really interested to be in jspace, use their mapping tools and so on. no big deal to put your mass and time-calc into it. Cheers
Shilalasar Dead Sky Inc. 144	Posted - 2015.01.13 09:55:23 - [39] - Quote Justice Shallow wrote: Actually I still don't understand why there is jump cloak for WHs. On gates sure but WHs what is the lore for that one? Because it is important to be able to jump into a camp and have time to bookmark before you have to try warping away. Also you always need time to load the grid otherwise the othe side has a huge advantage.
Asayanami Dei Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 1181	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:03:51 - [40] - Quote Andrew Jester wrote: Jumping every WH in Thera in quick succession would make it a UI nightmare if they showed a timer for each one. It's completely useless if they don't though because then it doesn't really give any information Pretty much this. Polarization is wormhole specific but not system specific, so each wormhole has 2 timers on it on each side, which means one jup generates 2 timers in 2 different systems at the same time, on top of which, given the structure of w-space chains, there's a good chance you'd jump multiple wormholes in a short time span, which means multiple timers the game keeps track of, with no real corelation to the information that would be displayed on your screen. Do you want the J sig with revelant timers? there would be a few per Jsig. Do you want wormhole type with its timers? most people don't remember wormhole designations. I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY Youtube: /asayanami Twitter: @asayanami The Anthology
Alundil Isogen 5 830	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:11:27 - [41] - Quote Asayanami Dei wrote: Andrew Jester wrote: Jumping every WH in Thera in quick succession would make it a UI nightmare if they showed a timer for each one. It's completely useless if they don't though because then it doesn't really give any information Pretty much this. Polarization is wormhole specific but not system specific, so each wormhole has 2 timers on it on each side, which means one jup generates 2 timers in 2 different systems at the same time, on top of which, given the structure of w-space chains, there's a good chance you'd jump multiple wormholes in a short time span, which means multiple timers the game keeps track of, with no real corelation to the information that would be displayed on your screen. Do you want the J sig with revelant timers? there would be a few per Jsig. Do you want wormhole type with its timers? most people don't remember wormhole designations. Exactly - this would be a UI mess. The sooner this thread sinks the better. glub glub glub. I'm right behind you
Violent Grey Walking On Marshmallows 2	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:27:19 - [42] - Quote I do say that i miss the session change timer when jumping gates, holding cloak. Now this timer here, the polarized timer, imho is a good idea. I dont vote but you have my thumb up for the timer.
Samantha Elroy Atztech Inc. Ixtab. 11	Posted - 2015.01.14 10:28:59 - [43] - Quote Jennifer Rhoswen wrote: A timer while on grid would be very useful. Especially for newbros who enter wormholes and don't even know the mechanic exists. Newbros should learn it like we mostly all did. This will prevent a messy UI
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 1020	Posted - 2015.01.14 13:51:58 - [44] - Quote The problem with this isn't putting the timer in, its visualization of the timer so that the average person will actually understand it. Its not needed. I do believe it will add unneeded clutter to the UI, and it will also cause people to min/max something that wasn't min/maxable before. Similar to how mass is calculated, its a guess. There has to be some mystery left in wormhole space to make it interesting. This goes under my "removes a bit from the game more than it adds". Yaay!!!!
Utari Onzo 13. Enigma Project 109	Posted - 2015.01.14 17:40:36 - [45] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: The problem with this isn't putting the timer in, its visualization of the timer so that the average person will actually understand it. Its not needed. I do believe it will add unneeded clutter to the UI, and it will also cause people to min/max something that wasn't min/maxable before. Similar to how mass is calculated, its a guess. There has to be some mystery left in wormhole space to make it interesting. This goes under my "removes a bit from the game more than it adds". Actually, we know Polarisation timer. It's min-maxed all the time if you just turn your local chat timestamps on. New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita 13. is recruiting
Ghenghis Kralj 1st MC Wormhole Clown Car 51	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:20:46 - [46] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: The problem with this isn't putting the timer in, its visualization of the timer so that the average person will actually understand it. Its not needed. I do believe it will add unneeded clutter to the UI, and it will also cause people to min/max something that wasn't min/maxable before. Similar to how mass is calculated, its a guess. There has to be some mystery left in wormhole space to make it interesting. This goes under my "removes a bit from the game more than it adds". This wouldn't be like wh mass. The timer isn't a mystery now that you can add the time stamp to your local session change msg. So there isn't any mystery. If you can find me anything within the EVE system that gives you ANY mass info, I am all in your corner, but that is a bad comparison imo. This timer wouldn't be adding info. It would be just a matter of displaying it. I don't see why you couldn't have it on wh itself. An additional timer, like agro, could also work, but it might clutter that part of the screen.
Alundil Isogen 5 835	Posted - 2015.01.14 20:38:34 - [47] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: The problem with this isn't putting the timer in, its visualization of the timer so that the average person will actually understand it. Its not needed. I do believe it will add unneeded clutter to the UI, and it will also cause people to min/max something that wasn't min/maxable before. Similar to how mass is calculated, its a guess. There has to be some mystery left in wormhole space to make it interesting. This goes under my "removes a bit from the game more than it adds". Actually, we know Polarisation timer. It's min-maxed all the time if you just turn your local chat timestamps on. That was something that people learned. It wasn't spoon-fed to them by some automagic UI popup from CCP though. It isn't needed. It removes more of the "flavor" and the "knowing the system" than it brings to the table. Aside from those reasons - it would be a visual CF. It's already possible in all areas of space to see 3-4 timers at the top of your screen and that's without needing to worry about another indicator for every possible polarity scenario encountered. I'm right behind you
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