| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Fantome
   |
Posted - 2003.10.19 11:07:00 -
[1]
what Dev are thinking about to give a really nice bp miner 2 (tech 2) for one faction and only craps Tech 1 for others ???
Plz...do a better balance in the game !
cheers
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |
Mandros Aslay
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 11:19:00 -
[2]
I see that the SHIELD BOOSTER AMP is in "Testing". Does that mean they are testing wether we will be happy getting these bp instead of Miner II ?
Of they are testing the market and they sell like chocolate teapots????????
And Miner 2 should look different to Miner 1....as they cost 500 times more than Miner 1....why buy a BMW that looks like a Mini...ER WRONG IMAGE DAMN...
|
Darklogan
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 11:47:00 -
[3]
Yes, i really don't understand why i should have made 400 stupid missions to receive a tech 1 bp totaly useless and in an other faction people receive a tech 2 bp that value hundred of milions. 
Do you call this balance? It is so difficult to put a list of bp from which you take one random?
At least ALL will have the possibility to receive a bp which have more value then a toilet paper.
|
Zrakor
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 11:59:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Zrakor on 19/10/2003 12:03:38
After the next patch the bp rewards will be more random.
The problem we had with the agent system which is on tranq right now was:
1) We couldnt make the rewards random
2) We were only allowed to choose from a select number of bps which were not balanced.
Fortunately we can randomize them now, with the new system on Chaos which still needs alot of testing. We will also be able to give out blueprint copies, which we will try to do alot more, since giving out master bps isn't that great for the economy.
|
Pirindolo
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 12:06:00 -
[5]
 Quote:
And Miner 2 should look different to Miner 1....as they cost 500 times more than Miner 1....why buy a BMW that looks like a Mini...ER WRONG IMAGE DAMN...
They don't cost 500 times more than miner I. It's people like you that accept paying 500 times bigger prices for a laser that only costs 1,5 times (and not 500) more than miner I
|
Darklogan
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 12:30:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Darklogan on 19/10/2003 12:39:33
Tnx for the clear answer. So i spend my last 20 days for nothing while other will become bilionaire making the same with other faction. 
With the new agent sistem we will lost all our standings and the already finished mission count?
I would like to know if with the new sistem i have to start again from zero to gain some good stuff like bp or item or i will be at lvl 3 agent like now.
And when will arrive? At the end of month?
|
Bushido
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 12:34:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Bushido on 19/10/2003 12:41:23
Please zrakos can you be more clear.
i am making missions since 15 days
is possible taht i will recive a 100k isk value BP
if so, can you freeze my 230 missions ?
so that i can continue after patch.
or i passed 15 days to bring garbage around galaxy without any reason ?
You told about TECH 2 rare BP dropped by agents
not common tech 1 BP dropped by agents
Save me to pass other 15 days making missions, if is not ready the mission system and it is possible that i will pass an entire month losing time.
plz
Bushido |
Darklogan
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 12:54:00 -
[8]
A last retoric question to DEV team.
Why you didn't advertise player that the famous tech 2 bp will not arrive NOW but only with the next sistem, so they don't spend weeks making useless missions?
Are you so happy to see hundred of players stop pay EVE for this? 
In my corps there are already 3 that will close the game because of this your last brilliant idea of agents balance. Tnx a lot.
|
Barbicane
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 21:05:00 -
[9]
Quote:
In my corps there are already 3 that will close the game because of this your last brilliant idea of agents balance. Tnx a lot.
What? They will quit because they are jealous? That's pathetic.
|
Fantome
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 21:14:00 -
[10]
thx for answer zrakor
cheers
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |
Mandros Aslay
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 21:14:00 -
[11]
As it happens I havent bought the BMW !!!
I dont pay STUPID prices unless I have stupid isk in the wallet. Sometimes I buy high cos I am lazy ......sounds like life again....its not the cost that was the issue but the APPEARANCE..
Its image not isk.
|
Bushido
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 21:37:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Bushido on 19/10/2003 21:40:00
@Barbicane
nobody said is jealous.
Problem is simple and clear:
15 days ago after patch was introduced the rare BP tech 2 drop after many mission.
if 3 members in a corp make over 200 missions and now there is the serius possibility that BPs are common and without value, there is a serius problem of comnunication.
It involves a buisness plan of a member and even a corp if many time is invested in a direction completily wrong.
You could think corp is foolish and you didn't loose time with missions.
it is possible, but many players are in same situation and the communications of this new feature was probabily wrong, like the dev honestly wrote in this thread.
Bushido |
Ezra
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 21:41:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Ezra on 19/10/2003 21:43:08
Quote:
Edited by: Zrakor on 19/10/2003 12:03:38
After the next patch the bp rewards will be more random.
The problem we had with the agent system which is on tranq right now was:
1) We couldnt make the rewards random
2) We were only allowed to choose from a select number of bps which were not balanced.
Fortunately we can randomize them now, with the new system on Chaos which still needs alot of testing. We will also be able to give out blueprint copies, which we will try to do alot more, since giving out master bps isn't that great for the economy.
What's wrong with originals? Since the introduction of limited copies, copying can't hurt the market at all. (In fact, copying will SLOW DOWN the maximum production rate for an item by over 2x)
Oh yeah, whatever happened to Papa Smurf?
------------
Ezra Cornell
pe0n, Xanadu Corporation |
Zrakor
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 23:13:00 -
[14]
"In my corps there are already 3 that will close the game because of this your last brilliant idea of agents balance. Tnx a lot."
Actually those bp missions weren't my idea. But anyhow, they were just 4 missions and 4 bps, there is PLENTY more to come. The loot and content is just starting to seep into the agent system. Your friends will also not lose their current agents, they will get enough standing to keep them when the new agent standing based system is implemented (i.e. with the next big patch).
"Please zrakos can you be more clear.
i am making missions since 15 days
is possible taht i will recive a 100k isk value BP
if so, can you freeze my 230 missions ?"
I'm not sure if you keep your mission count, I'll have to check with Papa Smurf about that. But anyway, the new agent system will rely alot less on mission counts, and since you get to keep your level 3 agent it should not take you forever to aquire a bp after the next patch. I just can't guarantee that it will be the bp you are looking for.
"What's wrong with originals? Since the introduction of limited copies, copying can't hurt the market at all. (In fact, copying will SLOW DOWN the maximum production rate for an item by over 2x)"
I personally favor the idea of bp limited usage copies as loot rather than unlimited copies, as it's easier to balance. And the bps tend to lose their value if aquiring them is fairly easy. But aside that, we may allow original tech level 2 bps to be aquired through agents, but it will probably be in the form of level 4 "research agents". There is nothing set in stone yet for that. And let me emphasize, the ONLY tech level II bp dropped by agents currently is the Miner II, there is no other tech level II bp given out by agents, and it is only dropped by agents of the Minmatar Republic faction. The other 3 empire factions drop tech level I bps (that are quite good actually, although probably not worth as much on the public market).
"Oh yeah, whatever happened to Papa Smurf?"
He has been very busy for the past few weeks working on the standing system and new agent system.
|
Morkt Drakt
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 23:21:00 -
[15]
PAPA SMURF LIVES!
 
..and there was much jubilation!
|
Morkt Drakt
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 23:24:00 -
[16]
On a serious note:
Ive been saying for a while now that Corporation-based rewards will be far better in terms of both variation and "immersion" particularly if they can be made vaguely relevant to the corporation in question (Arms from arms dealers and such like).
Im also hugely in favour of ltd run copies as the Miner II Fiasco Mk III (ongoing degredation of market value and BP 'worth') vlearly shows the problems with original copies.
It would make me positively enthused if there would be corporation factional variations within factions also... Im much happier with working for Ishukone and seeing my Kalaaka~ standing drop slightly as a result... or whatching Lai-Dai protection gets arsey as Im diddling with Spacelane Patrol.
|
Morkt Drakt
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 23:31:00 -
[17]
Quote:
Fortunately we can randomize them now,
Please, for the love of all things Icelandic, do not "randomise" rewards.
This is the ultimate immersion killer, it has no rivals in teh realms of "MOG-awfullness", it saps the RP from RPers and murders immersion at every level and upon every encounter..
its even worse than minmatar concord agents dealing in slaves... and thats pretty bad.
|
Bushido
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 23:36:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Bushido on 19/10/2003 23:38:00
this is a complete communication
better late than never
thanks
Bushido |
Morkt Drakt
|
Posted - 2003.10.19 23:48:00 -
[19]
Quote:
Edited by: Bushido on 19/10/2003 23:38:00
this is a complete communication
better late than never
thanks
Zrakor is merely PapaSmurf's Padawan learner... in time his communication skills may outshine even those of his master...
(OOpps wrong sci-fi eep!)
|
Zrakor
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 00:03:00 -
[20]
Quote:
Quote:
Fortunately we can randomize them now,
Please, for the love of all things Icelandic, do not "randomise" rewards.
This is the ultimate immersion killer, it has no rivals in teh realms of "MOG-awfullness", it saps the RP from RPers and murders immersion at every level and upon every encounter..
its even worse than minmatar concord agents dealing in slaves... and thats pretty bad.
We'll still have some rewards not random, for example the implant rewards. But less predictability is not always bad  .
|
Morkt Drakt
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 00:08:00 -
[21]
less predictable yes.. if there is a "random chance of a-g" from faction Z, yes thats fine until the full new system comes in.
I just dread the idea of no matter what faction you work with you get "any random bp from the list".
Hopefully you will see my distinction between the two methods.
|
SS Vegito
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 00:41:00 -
[22]
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Fortunately we can randomize them now,
Please, for the love of all things Icelandic, do not "randomise" rewards.
This is the ultimate immersion killer, it has no rivals in teh realms of "MOG-awfullness", it saps the RP from RPers and murders immersion at every level and upon every encounter..
its even worse than minmatar concord agents dealing in slaves... and thats pretty bad.
We'll still have some rewards not random, for example the implant rewards. But less predictability is not always bad .
Does this mean concorde agents will finally give out something worth a damn?
|
Cassiopa
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 00:52:00 -
[23]
Hello, Im not too fond of the idea for random decay on faction standing. The reason being is I am not always lucky to be a "power player" at times and am concerned as to all the hard work and benefits (ie standing) to be eventually lost. If you so determine to use it, can you please make it a very slow decay. I'm quite sure there are many others that can be unfairly affected by this.
Also, will there eventually be a way to categorize your agents? Getting messy.
Cheers
|
Morkt Drakt
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 00:55:00 -
[24]
Quote:
Hello, Im not too fond of the idea for random decay on faction standing. The reason being is I am not always lucky to be a "power player" at times and am concerned as to all the hard work and benefits (ie standing) to be eventually lost. If you so determine to use it, can you please make it a very slow decay. I'm quite sure there are many others that can be unfairly affected by this.
Also, will there eventually be a way to categorize your agents? Getting messy.
Cheers
This is true - Im a blatant powergamer and thus did not consider that overly... it would be nice, for a sense of equality, if such a standing drop only occured whilst logged into the client...
perhaps?
|
Murple
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 02:37:00 -
[25]
Like this Zrakor guy! Thanks for listening to everyone and your prompt in depth responses. I hope to see more developers do this on the forum boards in the future.
Gotta love my city-sized roid vacuum cleaner! |
Mandros Aslay
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 07:30:00 -
[26]
THE FIRST TIME I have ever seen a reply to a thread from "above" the line.
Nice one and keep it up ...a few lines means someone reads this stuff....and the future maybe brighter.....How the sun shines now ....how the flowers smell .....How rich is life.......(honest feed back does give us hope keep it up !!!)
|
Fantome
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 07:58:00 -
[27]
Happy to see i've not post in a black hole forum
Keep it on this way
cheers
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |
Barbicane
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 12:53:00 -
[28]
Quote:
Does this mean concorde agents will finally give out something worth a damn?
This is somewhat off-topic, but Concord agents have the side effect of raising your sec status. I think that is enough reward.
|
Alveha
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 15:04:00 -
[29]
Quote:
what Dev are thinking about to give a really nice bp miner 2 (tech 2) for one faction and only craps Tech 1 for others ???
Plz...do a better balance in the game !
cheers
its because we minmatar have a good and healthy relationship with jove ;)
Alveha - EY CEO |
Regina
|
Posted - 2003.10.20 18:46:00 -
[30]
Doh then what will drop my Jove Copr standing agent?>??????????????????????
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |