Thought about this, and I don't think it'll make any difference for FW.

1) I don't think many people in lowsec will be flying recons unscouted through gates to go offensive plexing. At least not when FW starts to heat back up from the current lull.

2) People complained about the same thing when scan inhibitors were introduced, and they haven't affected the plex meta either.

3) It's not "gimping" a fit to add a probe if that probe is suddenly very useful. A Stratios can fit a cloak, probe, has drones for DPS. If you're solo and worried about recons destroying your T1 30-mil ISK cruiser, then fly a stratios. You'll only lose it if you're bad.

Sounds good to me.

Novice, Small and Large plexes not affected.


Medium plexes have a higher chance to have some surprises inside. Enter at your own risk, or be the one camping it in a Combat Recon, or use a bait ship.

Harder intel and less predictability is good.

Predictably dying regardless of how much attention you are paying is not less predictable.

The recons warping into you, or camping the plex you are warping in to, cannot know if you're alone or with a couple of recon friends of your own.


EDIT: agree on the Larges, but it does take some effort; I was referring mostly to effortless camping.

I don't see many people flying a Curse. Not when the Pilgrim is going to be just as good and can warp cloaked.

[The whole thing is pointless. One group pull a recon on me, i never fight them ever again. Im not in the game to give people easy kills. Or i just form a fleet to go kill them and they peace out. Or form a fleet with recons, so, recons become compulsory counters to recons. Its just dumb imo.

As for me having recon, a simple local count would usually cover that where i fly.

Here's the dev blog: Recon Changes

By the way, I don't see many people flying a Curse. Not when the Pilgrim is going to be just as good and can warp cloaked.

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And again, this is 95% about medium FW complexes. You may be right, but I'm more interested in seeing how the meta evolves with this shake-up than worried that it will be 100% bad.

My issue is that there really is no difference between the 2, except the combat recons don't have that small targeting delay. I'd rather combat recons were immune to EWAR and Neuts.

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2) People complained about the same thing when scan inhibitors were introduced, and they haven't affected the plex meta either.

sounds like off the wall brainstorming.

If only ccp had just released a combat hull that was able to be combat fit and function as a combat prober.

This, my first thought as well ;)

If it becomes an issue they will remove it. I like to think I will be the jerk doing it, but I will probably be getting destroyed more from it then doing it.



+1

They did. It is called a Tactical Destroyer. The Confessor fills the role perfectly.

I don't see why this doesn't affect small and novices as well.

One can easily do a recon with a sub 2 secs lock time and get people on the warp in, while being competely safe and already aligned out in case something bigger comes.

I foresee quite a lot of curses specifically fit for fast lock times to s**t on frigates camping outside small and novices

If you spam the acceleration gate as you land on it you will automatically go into the plex.

My issue is that there really is no difference between the 2, except the combat recons don't have that small targeting delay. I'd rather combat recons were immune to EWAR and Neuts.

Well, all it means is if i want to go in a med plex I'll pop probes on it first if it seems empty but people are in local.

Crap that the counter is to have an alt though but I guess thats EVE.

Pretty sure it still needs align time. I caught countless ships on the acceleration gate. Frigs need to be slow to spam the button unless i'm running scan res script unless heavily plated, dessies are pretty much a guaranteed catch

People are acting like combat recons are absurdly hard to kill. Curses melt like butter, Lachesis can't hurt you, Rooks suck, and Huginns are also paper tanked

If there is a surprise recon in your plex, kill it

People are acting like combat recons are absurdly hard to kill. Curses melt like butter, Lachesis can't hurt you, Rooks suck, and Huginns are also paper tanked

If there is a surprise recon in your plex, kill it

Curse was one of, if not the most feared ship in Eve for a very long time. Granted that was before the NOS nerf. With Combat recons being unscannable by d-scan + getting some resist boosts I think they will be coming back in a glorious way.

I'd bet my HG Talisman set on it.

Just not true, i fly a fleet of alts in mining ships with built in warp stabs and wont engage anything without griffin support.

Im pretty sure I never dplex without a warp stabbed alt anywhere in the warzone because :risk:



People who can read between the lines and know my gameplay style will understand I am really saying is -

The counter I suggested - Which is an army of stabbed cloaky farmers like I use are actually in danger of not being as viable anymore because there might already be enough points in the plex to tackle them when I warp them in.

I will still however try to use reverse psychology on on CCP and say that cloaky stabbed farmers will become more of a problem after this change when it is really going to discourage such things.

I also pledge that I will continue to pretend warp stabbed cloaky alts are something I do not like on the forums while using many of them in game