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Ducian PCG Enterprises 0	Posted - 2014.12.19 16:58:09 - [1] - Quote Hi, As an early Christmas pressie I have been given one of Razor's MMO mice (with the keypad on the side). Given the changes with CCP's policy on macros I wanted to clarify how far I can use the features on the mouse. I presume it is OK for me to map the keypad on the side of the mouse to the function keys (1=F1, 2=F2 etc) to allow me to activate modules when flying a ship. Can this be confirmed? I presume it is NOT OK for me to map a macro to the keypad (1=F1, pause 2 seconds, Press F1) to "pulse" a module. Can this be confirmed? If I've posted this is the wrong section can someone let me know and I'll post where I should, once I get back from getting fags and beer. Thanks - Ducian
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7623	Posted - 2014.12.19 16:59:54 - [2] - Quote See here Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 692	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:05:10 - [3] - Quote If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1999	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:09:54 - [4] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. What he said. Anything we can tell you here will not "hold up in court". It is just our best understanding of the rules. I can try to (unofficially) help, though: Ducian wrote: I presume it is OK for me to map the keypad on the side of the mouse to the function keys (1=F1, 2=F2 etc) to allow me to activate modules when flying a ship. Can this be confirmed? Sounds about right. You push a button, the client receives one command, everything is cool. Ducian wrote: I presume it is NOT OK for me to map a macro to the keypad (1=F1, pause 2 seconds, Press F1) to "pulse" a module. Can this be confirmed? Correct. Any "automated" actions are not okay. You need to be the direct cause for every command your client gets. Again, though, these answers are non-authoritative, and based on my best understanding of the rules. Please file a support ticket for an official answer. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 331	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:21:04 - [5] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: See here This is about multiboxing, not using hardware to automate commands or (re)binding keys Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler app: >EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread >iciclesoft.com
Ducian PCG Enterprises 1	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:46:51 - [6] - Quote Thanks for your help. I've logged a support ticket to see what the GMs say. Cheers - Ducian
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7601	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:53:24 - [7] - Quote I have the exact same setup and my reading of the eula is inline with the op. Hotkeys are fine provided they aren't triggering an automated sequence (which those bits of kit are easily capable of). I would advise against that functionality as I understand they breach the rules. I have not run into any issues or warnings over the keyboard or mouse usage in the last year of use but I wouldn't because I just have hotkeys for individual commands as per normal keyboard and mouse use. Obviously file a support ticket for clarification on exactly what constitutes a breach and get the word from ccp themselves. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 455	Posted - 2014.12.19 17:57:33 - [8] - Quote Hey, while we're at it ... Can I have a button that sends a command to the other client, without me having to need to switch focus? No information would be sent automatically or multiplexed, as I still have to control each client individually. Oh. I answered my question all by myself. Sheesh, how did I do that ?
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 788	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:03:48 - [9] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: I have the exact same setup and my reading of the eula is inline with the op. Hotkeys are fine provided they aren't triggering an automated sequence (which those bits of kit are easily capable of). I would advise against that functionality as I understand they breach the rules. I have not run into any issues or warnings over the keyboard or mouse usage in the last year of use but I wouldn't because I just have hotkeys for individual commands as per normal keyboard and mouse use. Obviously file a support ticket for clarification on exactly what constitutes a breach and get the word from ccp themselves. As per the rules everyone will have to submit the same question.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 455	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:05:57 - [10] - Quote Well, anyhow .... I presume it is OK for me to map the keypad on the side of the mouse to the function keys (1=F1, 2=F2 etc) to allow me to activate modules when flying a ship. Can this be confirmed? Confirming. I presume it is NOT OK for me to map a macro to the keypad (1=F1, pause 2 seconds, Press F1) to "pulse" a module. Can this be confirmed? Confirming again. You may use any button you like for any input you want, as long as it's only one [unit of action] you personally trigger at one single client. What's verboten, is multiplexing and automation. Multiplexing means that you trigger one [unit of action] and software turns it into multiple. This unit would get sent to several other clients. Automation is when the computer initiates a unit all by himself. Save the GMs the time, you don't need the petition.

bigman111222 Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 12	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:29:45 - [11] - Quote All doc fury's referrals and suggested should be considered fact.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 27712	Posted - 2014.12.19 18:53:27 - [12] - Quote ok, now page 1 needs a red GM tag (please, my OCD needs it). spacecourt best court. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Twitter \|-ámk.III \| Imgur \| Evening Games Club: Casino concept redefined \|
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Bienator II madmen of the skies 3046	Posted - 2014.12.19 19:50:32 - [14] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. yeah sure. but i guess many will have the same question. I don't own a single input device with non-programmable buttons. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
Altirius Saldiaro Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 215	Posted - 2014.12.19 20:17:51 - [15] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. Then we get in trouble if we post that answer on the forums. We are asking for official clarification from CCP in a dev blog, sticky thread, something public.
Mai Khumm 621	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:08:16 - [16] - Quote Altirius Saldiaro wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. Then we get in trouble if we post that answer on the forums. We are asking for official clarification from CCP in a dev blog, sticky thread, something public. CCP like to keep things are grey as possible. They never give a yes/no direct answer for anything! Annoyingly they're within their right to do so. It's just whenever a issue comes up they can take any stance they want. Also, if they give us direct rules then players will push them and see how far they get. That in itself will present a whole list of he-said she-said issues. One of us just has to file a petition, post it online and take a bullet for the team! insert witty saying here
Rosewalker Khumaak Flying Circus 127	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:23:52 - [17] - Quote Altirius Saldiaro wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. Then we get in trouble if we post that answer on the forums. We are asking for official clarification from CCP in a dev blog, sticky thread, something public. I don't think you are going to get an answer here on the forums because having rules clarifications scattered throughout the forums is a bad practice. From a tweet from CCP Random, any such posts from before 1 January 2015 will be "outdated". Ideally, any such clarifications should be located on a EULA FAQ page so everyone knows where to find the answer. The Nosy Gamer - Free Wollari!-á Buy your EVE time codes through Dotlan maps!
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10847	Posted - 2014.12.19 21:40:54 - [18] - Quote The rule of thumb that I use is that if it makes what would be multiple clicks/keypresses into one, then it's probably against the rules. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Prince Kobol 2382	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:15:47 - [19] - Quote I have petitioned a similar question asking for clarification and the answer I was given was basically if you are unsure do not do it. In my opinion that is a very poor response and it has led me to letting 1 account expire with a 2nd due to expire in the next few days. My other accounts will expire in due time. I am not going to pay to play a game where you can not get clarification on a rule that could lead you to getting banned. I have never come across any other game where customer support was unable to clarify a rule via petition.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5074	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:22:35 - [20] - Quote Ducian wrote: Hi, As an early Christmas pressie I have been given one of Razor's MMO mice (with the keypad on the side). Given the changes with CCP's policy on macros I wanted to clarify how far I can use the features on the mouse. I presume it is OK for me to map the keypad on the side of the mouse to the function keys (1=F1, 2=F2 etc) to allow me to activate modules when flying a ship. Can this be confirmed? I presume it is NOT OK for me to map a macro to the keypad (1=F1, pause 2 seconds, Press F1) to "pulse" a module. Can this be confirmed? If I've posted this is the wrong section can someone let me know and I'll post where I should, once I get back from getting fags and beer. Thanks - Ducian As above, for a official statement, use the petition system. However, Option 1 kind of looks okay to me. As it's just "remapping" your F-keys to the mouse. Option 2 isn't...as it is automation (it automatically turns off the module after 2 seconds - aka, it does 2 things seperate things with 1 single click). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5075	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:27:04 - [21] - Quote Altirius Saldiaro wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. Then we get in trouble if we post that answer on the forums. We are asking for official clarification from CCP in a dev blog, sticky thread, something public. If you read the rules closely, it also states that petitions are dealt with on a case by case situation. Hence no fixed answer to it... As it does matter under which circumstances stuff happens. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 5075	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:28:06 - [22] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: I have petitioned a similar question asking for clarification and the answer I was given was basically if you are unsure do not do it. In my opinion that is a very poor response and it has led me to letting 1 account expire with a 2nd due to expire in the next few days. My other accounts will expire in due time. I am not going to pay to play a game where you can not get clarification on a rule that could lead you to getting banned. I have never come across any other game where customer support was unable to clarify a rule via petition. Dibs on your stuff. Make sure to contract before your accounts lapse. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3037	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:38:55 - [23] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: I have the exact same setup and my reading of the eula is inline with the op. Hotkeys are fine provided they aren't triggering an automated sequence (which those bits of kit are easily capable of). I would advise against that functionality as I understand they breach the rules. I have not run into any issues or warnings over the keyboard or mouse usage in the last year of use but I wouldn't because I just have hotkeys for individual commands as per normal keyboard and mouse use. Obviously file a support ticket for clarification on exactly what constitutes a breach and get the word from ccp themselves. As per the rules everyone will have to submit the same question. Then everybody should. With every question related to this that CCP does not answer, we should all file support tickets. Eventually they will get the message: It costs far less time from support personnel to just answer the question than dealing with thousands of tickets. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Ydnari Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire 394	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:43:36 - [24] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. Why not clarify publicly? It's against the rules to post GM communication for others to see, so should everybody in EVE petition it to find what the rules are? Surely a clear, public statement of the rules against input automation would be better. my teapot is ready
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 531	Posted - 2014.12.19 22:48:33 - [25] - Quote Ydnari wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: If you want clarification for anything like this, the best thing to do is to file a support ticket and ask the GMs. Any other answer will be non-authoritative. Why not clarify publicly? It's against the rules to post GM communication for others to see, so should everybody in EVE petition it to find what the rules are? Surely a clear, public statement of the rules against input automation would be better. It's already clear enough for those who are capable of reading and understanding. Wanting to avoid a pointless discussion on the forums on a workday is a completely different matter.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1799	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:04:29 - [26] - Quote Ydnari wrote: Why not clarify publicly? It's against the rules to post GM communication for others to see, so should everybody in EVE petition it to find what the rules are? Surely a clear, public statement of the rules against input automation would be better. I hear the EULA is the best public statement for such things. If you can't understand the EULA then you should ask privately as you are asking for legal advice.
Ydnari Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire 394	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:08:29 - [27] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Ydnari wrote: Why not clarify publicly? It's against the rules to post GM communication for others to see, so should everybody in EVE petition it to find what the rules are? Surely a clear, public statement of the rules against input automation would be better. I hear the EULA is the best public statement for such things. If you can't understand the EULA then you should ask privately as you are asking for legal advice. And it says no, you can't. So why not just say no instead of the wishy-washy statements. my teapot is ready
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10848	Posted - 2014.12.19 23:08:31 - [28] - Quote Now, let's not knock on the guy for asking for clarification. This game's EULA isn't exactly the most transparent. I have four words for you. "You can impersonate yourself". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Rosewalker Khumaak Flying Circus 131	Posted - 2014.12.20 01:30:04 - [29] - Quote Ydnari wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Ydnari wrote: Why not clarify publicly? It's against the rules to post GM communication for others to see, so should everybody in EVE petition it to find what the rules are? Surely a clear, public statement of the rules against input automation would be better. I hear the EULA is the best public statement for such things. If you can't understand the EULA then you should ask privately as you are asking for legal advice. And it says no, you can't. So why not just say no instead of the wishy-washy statements. It's obvious that CCP has learned from past mistakes and is no longer going to post answers on the forums that players can go back to and use as justification for actions that actually break the EULA. The best example of that is cache scraping. Perhaps when CCP runs metrics on their customer support tickets and find out the most commonly asked questions, we will see them put up a EULA FAQ that people can refer to. But don't expect answers on the forums. Oh yeah, I should add one more thing. All those posts from CCP with answers everyone keeps referring to will be outdated on 1 January 2015. The Nosy Gamer - Free Wollari!-á Buy your EVE time codes through Dotlan maps!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18652	Posted - 2014.12.20 02:28:22 - [30] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: . Dibs on your stuff. Make sure to contract before your accounts lapse. ... You wouldn't be doing.. what I think it appears that you are doing... would you... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!



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