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NestcePas
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Posted - 2006.09.10 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: NestcePas on 10/09/2006 07:40:44
Hi there,
I was attacked a few times and willing to fight back, but unable to lock on to my opponent. Looking in the itemdatabase at ECM and ECCM I have only a vague idea now how it is done and what you can do about it. Is there an explanation somewhere on the use of ECM and ECCM somewhere?
On automated targetting systems: what is considered a hostile? Red-blinking only?
Many thanks
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Sandeep
Trojan industries
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Posted - 2006.09.10 07:54:00 -
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 Originally by: NestcePas
I was attacked a few times and willing to fight back, but unable to lock on to my opponent. Looking in the itemdatabase at ECM and ECCM I have only a vague idea now how it is done and what you can do about it. Is there an explanation somewhere on the use of ECM and ECCM somewhere?
On automated targetting systems: what is considered a hostile? Red-blinking only?
ECM strength vs sensor strength:
ECMstrength / sensor strength = probability of jamming.
ECCM adds to sensor strength.
automated targetting systems target everything that is shootable (i.e. things that you can shoot without getting in concord trouble) including structures..
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Larkonis Trassler
g guild
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Posted - 2006.09.10 09:09:00 -
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Automated targetting systems are also an excellent way to waste a high slot... they don't work at all, you're better off with a well set up overview and a bit of common sense.
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GPerson
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.10 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sandeep
automated targetting systems target everything including concord
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Kraele
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Automated targetting systems are also an excellent way to waste a high slot... they don't work at all, you're better off with a well set up overview and a bit of common sense.
What constitutes a "well set up" overview please? Is there a FAQ somewhere?
Thanks much!
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Clone Alpha
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:10:00 -
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fire and dorget missiles?
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Clone Alpha
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:10:00 -
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fire and forget missiles?
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Sandeep
Trojan industries
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kraele
What constitutes a "well set up" overview please? Is there a FAQ somewhere?
Thanks much!
Have things you want to shoot and mission objectives on the overview, and nothing else. For instance, remove cargo containers, structures, and friendly players.
Or, zoom way out and Ctrl+click the stacked targets in one group on main view.
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Radcjk
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Posted - 2006.09.10 20:29:00 -
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ECCM can also 'unbreak' a broken lock caused by ECM. A majority of people fit eccm and turn it on and let it run. You can have it inactive, get jammed, activate it, and break the jam to relock and fire as well.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.09.10 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Clone Alpha
fire and forget missiles?
I think you mean Friend or Foe missiles. All missiles in EVE are technically fire and forget types as you don't have to manually guide them to target.
FOFs are useful in missions and when ratting. They're not so good if there are neutrals or friendly ships about as they tend to hit the nearest target.
To the OP: For fighting when you're jammed, anything that doesn't require a lock works, smartbombs, drones, ECM burst, FOFs, etc.
Some things are better than others, depending on the situation.
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Sul Trewtis
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Posted - 2006.09.10 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: NestcePas
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ECM: Electronic Countermeasures
ECCM: Electronic Counter Countermeasures
Yeah, so ECCM counters ECM as has been said.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2006.09.11 02:03:00 -
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Just make sure to get the right kind of ECCM system to match your ships. Going by your picture, you are minmatar and probably flying minmatar ships. That means you want ECCM systems that boost LADAR strength.
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Gericault m0id
Contention Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.11 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Siege
Just make sure to get the right kind of ECCM system to match your ships. Going by your picture, you are minmatar and probably flying minmatar ships. That means you want ECCM systems that boost LADAR strength.
Yeah, you want to get as many points in your own targeting system as possible.
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General Meridus
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:09:00 -
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Fire and forget missles or fof, work on the same principle as unengaged loose drones. They will fire on the closest hostile target. They do not fire on friendlies, neutrals etc... However, I'd be a little bit wary of these things in high sec.
ECCM increases your sensor strenght, making you less easy to target jam. Not very effective given current game mechanics. A better tactic is to jam your enemy first, using ECM
To break the lock of an enemy, use an ECM burst. These work on the same principle as a smartbomb. Their range and power can be increased with skills. Be aware that your apponent can immediatly relock you. It can allow you time to get away if you are being warped scrambled. These things are not too effective, as they have a sucky range. Also be aware they count as a hostile act. Use them near a gate or station, or random passerby in high sec, and you're Condorked.
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NestcePas
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Posted - 2006.09.11 10:04:00 -
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Tnx for the responses. So ECM can help, but is not very effective. The opponent can try to lock you immediately again. Since he's got a sucker on me as well warping away is difficult.
I've read somewear a back-up array would help?
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Matalino
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.11 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: NestcePas
Tnx for the responses. So ECM can help, but is not very effective. The opponent can try to lock you immediately again. Since he's got a sucker on me as well warping away is difficult.
I've read somewear a back-up array would help?
ECM can be effective in the right situations. If you can break his lock his webber/scrambers will go offline. He will not be able to relock until the ECM cycle is complete. Then you roll again to see if he is jammed a second time. Often those 10 seconds of you hitting him and his not being able to shoot back can make all the difference. Where they don't work so well is when you have several targets as you can only effectively jam one at a time.
Fitting ECCM is a gamble. If he has fit ECM then it will help. If he has not then you have wasted a slot. It all depends on what he has fitted.
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