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XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2014.12.22 11:36:24 - [1] - Quote My brothers, Each day, in New Eden, unscrupulous criminals kill workers in space. We no longer count the number of traders, miners, haulers, planetary interactors and industrialists stolen or murdered. Without even money reasons, they can kill only for the pleasure. As you know, these cowards prefer to attack unexperienced pilots with all the terrible psychological impacts they have on them. You need to be cautious in your work only because you want to earn and build your life honestly. Fortunately, in Amarr, Caldarian, Gallente or Minmatar space areas, freedom fighters, bounty hunters and powerful alliances work against this mire. We call these entities to contact us in order to build a network of vigilance against deliberate murderous attacks. Contact us discreetly on our channel, by mail or private talking. It's a fact that syndicate of crimes is powerful, well organized and unmerciful. We can use the same tools to wash this plague. We ask for your help. Your weapons are yours : ISK, ships and will of course. Please note we are not a corporation nor an alliance but only a secret organization. We know our ennemies and will pragmaticaly develop mechanisms at the height of their ferocity. Here is its messenger already working with special anonymous agents. Simply join us. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Jukko Riis Black Rise Colonial Exploration 22	Posted - 2014.12.22 12:24:05 - [2] - Quote Ah! Good news! It's about time someone took a stand against the thieves and pirates of the galaxy. Might I suggest a first target? I have heard whispers that a pirate group called Dark-Rising is starting to operate in the Intaki area. I have some old friends in the Legion and I worry. I hear DR are attaching themselves to the Gallente Militia, so that might be a good place to start. At least, that's what I overheard down at the pub the other night. Good luck!
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 344	Posted - 2014.12.22 12:51:07 - [3] - Quote Damn criminals! It's a known fact that outlaw pilots are always flying around high on combat-boosters, fearlessly and senselessly engaging anything that moves. The only way to stand any chance against them is use combat-boosters yourself. Now, as it happens, I am upstanding member of the Thukker community who can supply these combat-boosters. Don't think of them as illegal... they're just enhancers, right? I mean, you don't think twice about rigging your ships, do you? Why not rig your brain, too! Call me and I'll sort you out with what you need to fight the criminal menace! Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Kellie Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 6644	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:17:08 - [4] - Quote XeX Znndstrup wrote: Please note we are not a corporation nor an alliance but only a secret organization. Kellie no sure if this for very much secret anymore now that you talk for it and invite all for contact or channel. Good luck for you though, Mista Znndstrup. I wish many success in all endeavor. Noob Alt \| Special Dusette \| Silly Robot Arm Collect all Dusette Action Figures (Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) Generic Edition \| Catcember Edition
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:55:47 - [5] - Quote The message needs not to be secret. The members and how they practice are. We are like a mirage : real somewhere but not where you are seeing. Thanks for your wish, Mrs Kellie. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Bianca Silver New Order Logistics CODE. 1178	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:17:12 - [6] - Quote For me it's just business sir. It's nothing personal. Everyone has a job to do. Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all." Minerbumping.com
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1004	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:21:58 - [7] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: For me it's just business sir. It's nothing personal. Everyone has a job to do. Go away CODE, nobody likes you. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Bianca Silver New Order Logistics CODE. 1178	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:26:15 - [8] - Quote That's not very nice ma'am. I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot? Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all." Minerbumping.com
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1005	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: That's not very nice ma'am. I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot? No. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:43:28 - [10] - Quote Anyone is free to be and do what he wants. We love freedom. But anyone is also responsable about what he does (more than what he says). Whatever its corporation. Assassins, we don't see and don't know your corporations. We only see your acts. As individual. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1005	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:54:50 - [11] - Quote XeX Znndstrup wrote: Anyone is free to be and do what he wants. We love freedom. Request denied. The great Goddess of the IGS, Claudia, has decreed that CODE shall be trolled relentlessly so long as they maintain their awful disposition, and so it shall be. Go forth and troll the arrogant adherents to the new order, my loyal subjects! The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 24443	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:57:11 - [12] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Bianca Silver wrote: That's not very nice ma'am. I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot? No. Rather rude. Perhaps you'll be bold enough to take the same tone with Miss Silver's sponsor? And .. Scope Works? I thought they had respectable standards. It seems turning down an invitation yesterday was certainly the right move, in fact the offer now seems somewhat insulting. As for the OP, well your idea is ground in warm sentiment and positivity, nobody can deny. But the drugs you're obviously taking certainly aren't going to help your cause. Beyond that, I'll simply mirror my little sister's best wishes. Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel My Wormhole Pron \| The Endgame \| Wormhole Diary
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1007	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:42:36 - [13] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Bianca Silver wrote: That's not very nice ma'am. I'm not permitted to voice my thoughts respectfully, like any other pilot? No. Rather rude. Perhaps you'll be bold enough to take the same tone with Miss Silver's sponsor? And .. Scope Works? I thought they had respectable standards. It seems turning down an invitation yesterday was certainly the right move, in fact the offer now seems somewhat insulting. As for the OP, well your idea is ground in warm sentiment and positivity, nobody can deny. But the drugs you're obviously taking certainly aren't going to help your cause. Beyond that, I'll simply mirror my little sister's best wishes. If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. They don't spout bull all over local and the IGS then expect us to thank them for it. Also, my attitude in no way reflects Scope Works nor there high standards of conduct on the feild. My conduct outside the official Scope works and any affiliated channels is my responsibility alone. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 24473	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:55:32 - [14] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. They don't spout bull all over local and the IGS then expect us to thank them for it. Also, my attitude in no way reflects Scope Works nor there high standards of conduct on the feild. My conduct outside the official Scope works and any affiliated channels is my responsibility alone. So you're saying you don't wish your conduct, a flapping lower-lip with a warp drive attached, to in anyway reflect your corporation. Yet you'd like to reverse that and hold Ms Silver to your standard of her corp, without even knowing her. Meanwhile she's being polite and respectful while you employ the only weapon you have, that flappy lip. And people like you wonder why you're targets. Amazing. Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel My Wormhole Pron \| The Endgame \| Wormhole Diary
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1007	Posted - 2014.12.22 20:05:41 - [15] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. They don't spout bull all over local and the IGS then expect us to thank them for it. Also, my attitude in no way reflects Scope Works nor there high standards of conduct on the feild. My conduct outside the official Scope works and any affiliated channels is my responsibility alone. So you're saying you don't wish your conduct, a flapping lower-lip with a warp drive attached, to in anyway reflect your corporation. Yet you'd like to reverse that and hold Ms Silver to your standard of her corp, without even knowing her. Meanwhile she's being polite and respectful while you employ the only weapon you have, that flappy lip. And people like you wonder why you're targets. Amazing. Never wondered why I'm a target. It's normaly because I undock, same as everyone else. Getting blown up is expected and not really an affront. Also, hipocrocy is in right now, didn't you know? Get with the times Dusette. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Eojek Starlight Moly 22	Posted - 2014.12.23 05:20:26 - [16] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: Go away CODE, nobody likes you. A funny thing: CODE only attacks individuals and small organizations. Large, organized, dedicated organizations do not have to worry about them as much. CODE is in fact, a group petty thugs and extortionists. I will cite an interview I had with a 150 capsulier corporation who'se number were quite dedicated. Their numbers were quite disiplined and tended to follow very strict sets of protocalls. Due to their organization and numbers, CODE was forced to leave them alone. The corporation sees wardecs as an inevitable reality and has very effective protocalls and disciplined pilots who not only field guns, but eyes and ears as well. Wardecs do not last long as the corporation has also chosen a location that is highly defendable, making a wardec pointless. One very determined group lasted three weeks before finally giving up. Never give CODE an ounce of ISK. It's like scraching a wound and it'll only make things worse.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 336	Posted - 2014.12.23 06:03:57 - [17] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: And .. Scope Works? I thought they had respectable standards. Hah! You made me smile miss, thank you. As for this initiative, should it be genuine I do wish all involved good luck. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 204	Posted - 2014.12.23 06:11:55 - [18] - Quote We don't?
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 737	Posted - 2014.12.23 06:20:07 - [19] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: We don't? I mean is there anyone you guys would turn away? -Eran
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 204	Posted - 2014.12.23 06:28:07 - [20] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: We don't? I mean is there anyone you guys would turn away? -Eran Ya..... true... Second chances I guess?
Bianca Silver New Order Logistics CODE. 1243	Posted - 2014.12.23 08:41:11 - [21] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. Huh? Who? Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all." Minerbumping.com
Pestilen Ratte Artimus Ratte 5	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:39:26 - [22] - Quote "We call these entities to contact us in order to build a network of vigilance against deliberate murderous attacks. Contact us discreetly on our channel, by mail or private talking. It's a fact that syndicate of crimes is powerful, well organized and unmerciful. We can use the same tools to wash this plague. We ask for your help. Your weapons are yours : ISK, ships and will of course. Please note we are not a corporation nor an alliance but only a secret organization." While the sentiment towards good conduct is admirable, the strategy outlined by these quoted statements contains fairly obvious flaws in reasoning. Most strikingly, you advocate the violence of a secret organisation in pursuit of a thing you call "law". This offends the plain meaning of words, as secret organisations using violence is precisely what the law is supposed to prevent. Indeed, it is precisely the evil you intend to prevent, with your glorious aspirations. Given this equivalence against the nature of law, the only difference between you and those you seek to destroy is that you have explained why you are on the right side of the issue contested with your preferred enemies. From an objective vantage, your enemies might have exactly the same beliefs about their own moral worth. It follows that "the law", if we are going to hail this concept, cannot operate ins secrecy. It is axiomatic that the law must be seen to be done as it is done. Transparency is part of the inalienable set of factors that constitute the rule of law. Another part of that set is judicial process, often called due process. Judges of the law must be consistent and they must follow precedent. Further, they ought to defer to a parliament which devotes attention to public support for new laws. It is a fact of new Eden that the mining and industrial classes partake of the same happy chaos as their pirate foes. Being immortal, they may reap the economic rewards of the mad, endless wars of the capsuleers, yet when it suits they cloak themselves in the moral finery of good conduct. Do not be fooled. All capsuleers are on the same side of war consumption in New Eden. If you speak of law, think first of the myriad minions I have in my hanger. I have militants, homeless, janitors, dancing girls and even VIPs. They are all my subjects, to be whisked hence and forth according to my will as a capsuleer. Think also of the cannon fodder on the Dust platform, those sad little terrestrial monkeys who claw and scratch for petty ISK and no ultimate social mobility. If there is any law in New Eden, it is the law of the capsuleers. So far, this has been the rule of the fist and, perhaps exceeding this to some extent, the deranged philo-theology of the goons. When the capsuleers want law, first they will pay for it. I estimate the ISK cost of pacifying a single low sec constellation at 120 billion ISK. This is a low level war to enforce respect for standings in empire space. This is the very first step on the path to capsuleer law. At this rate, where will the money come from, to wage war for order in the low sec regions? The miners have it, but they will not invest. The pirates will fall into order if the commerce of empire demands it, so all that really matters is the will of the industrial players, the miners and the traders. If that class wills the rule of capsuleer law, they will fund the institutions to give such a vision effect, and they will fund the wars of liberation across New Eden, starting in Gallant space. No law will come from secrecy, just as no light comes from shadows. 120 billion per system, and miners willing to fight. Then you shall have the rule of capsuleer law.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 244	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:58:57 - [23] - Quote It's not much of a secret organization if you announce it over a public bickering room. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.12.24 10:59:38 - [24] - Quote Mr Pestilan Ratle, thanks for your opinion. I am not sure we are only speaking about good sentiments. Security and wealth are very concrete. It's the oldest subject in the human life : if you kill the killer, you are a killer. Well. No one said that shooting is a bad thing. All depend on who and why you shoot. A miner doesn't directly endanger life of anyone. An assassin who kills a miner because he is mining, yes. A hunter who kills this assassin is working so that it won't happen again, the best he can. In fact, it's a very simple process. More over, nobody will object we have not the same conception of truth than some assassins. We desagree. We warn them here, i think. After, we will do. The Law must be known. The facts must be broadcasted. The Management and The Executive of the process must remain secret. No one will intimidate us or attack us directly. It would be to easy. The process of law you describe is probably good in a normal world. New Eden, infested with its flying vermin, is not. You understand we must adapt the process. It would be our best wish to solve these problems with a bouquet of flowers. Assassins don't like flowers. They like blood. We will give them some. Consumption. Well. There is probably more interest when there is faction warfare than when some thugs kill, not on a big scale, some weak and new pilots. Industrialists and miners may support this, ok. But not the ones who work with us. There is no absolute truth. Only different conceptions. They fight each other, that's a fact. Law and fist : we agree. Law and money : we agree. But you can also earn money when you don't lose 200 M ISK after one hour of honest mining. The money is here. Miners have, traders have. We let them the ability to use it if they think it's a good idea. But... do you know that the most confident money is yours ? The budget of some paranoiac groups of bastards is like a tear in the Ocean. Don't worry. We have all financial means to prosecute them. No one wants to pacify a constellation like in the glorious tradition. Walking in the field, waiting for the bullet. No. I confirm. Light will come from the shadow. Without qualms. If you believe in The Law, open your mind. There is always reasons to go far away from the path. If you believe in The Law, really, come and help us. Corporations, Alliances are in the traditions. We like these traditions but we bring new traditions. May The Law be our Savior. Amen. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Kellie Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 6849	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:45:13 - [25] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: It's not much of a secret organization if you announce it over a public bickering room. Kellie say for this exact thing too, but nobody ever listen to a Kellie. Lot of bicker here, and for speeches sound like drunk try for raise a bar room rabble. Noob Alt \| Special Dusette \| Silly Robot Arm Collect all Dusette Action Figures (Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) Generic Edition \| Catcember Edition
Kellie Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 6849	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:51:02 - [26] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: If you're refering to Goonswarm, I couldn't care less what they do. Huh? Who? You very many much pretty. Compliment from Kellie for stylist. Noob Alt \| Special Dusette \| Silly Robot Arm Collect all Dusette Action Figures (Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) Generic Edition \| Catcember Edition
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1514	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:53:16 - [27] - Quote XeX Znndstrup wrote: Fortunately, in Amarr, Caldarian, Gallente or Minmatar space areas, freedom fighters, bounty hunters and powerful alliances work against this mire. I can't agree with this, as so called "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" is the most dangerous blight and criminal scum of our cluster. They are more criminals than simple pirates. At least pirates are not afraid to say which side they are on, and that they violate law on purpose. Freedom fighters claim that they are on "good side", while all they do is violating of laws, morals and traditions; killing civilians and innocents, attacking government structures for the sake of the most filthy and disgusting concept of humans - the freedom. Thus I ask anyone, if you will see freedom fighters fighting pirates, please, take a conscious decision and exterminate freedom fighters first before fighting to eliminate or detain pirate elements. Thanks!
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2014.12.24 16:43:59 - [28] - Quote An interesting initiative. I should point out, however, that vigilantism is generally viewed as "criminal activity" by law-enforcement agencies; which makes the initiative somewhat ironic. I advise caution, it is all-too-easy to begin such a path with noble intentions and find yourselves getting lost in the mire of ambiguity that surrounds and infests the cluster. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Zsaryna Adrelana Empire of the Forsaken DARKNESS. 171	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:37:05 - [29] - Quote I believe the common phrase used is 'come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough' If you are coming to criticize the slaughter of Miners, I'd say that said miners take their own fate into their hands when they undock. New Eden, in case you have not realized, is not a pleasant place. Rewards go to the cautious and the wary, and expecting someone else to do the grunt work of protecting you is folly of the purest kind. These miners have been provided with all the tools for their own defence, the fact that they choose not to use them... well, that merely speaks eloquently about how standards are slipping in capsuleer recruitment these days. If you are coming to criticise general illegality, again, the option remains. Enforce your will through strength of arms, or expect others not to give a damn. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such.
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 553	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:37:13 - [30] - Quote The most amusing thing about all of this is that it seems to forget that things only seem a way from a certain point of view. I for example am a freedom fighter helping to ensure the Amarr Milita has freedom of docking rights. I am also an outlaw from the point of view of Concord. Whereas, Sansha's Nation and the Gurista's pirates have paid me to stop attacks from the DED that were surely illegal from their point of view not being concord signatories. So since everything only really matters via the viewpoint you have I choose to believe my actions are just and legal.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.12.24 21:39:50 - [31] - Quote When we will eliminate them, don't worry, we will be ok with ourself. What seems very strange each time is that not only one pirate or black mercenary succeed in giving us a simple justification of their crimes. Paranoiacs turn reality like they do. They seem so more dangerous for us and ready for our last judgment. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Zsaryna Adrelana Empire of the Forsaken DARKNESS. 171	Posted - 2014.12.24 21:56:40 - [32] - Quote XeX Znndstrup wrote: When we will eliminate them, don't worry, we will be ok with ourself. What seems very strange each time is that not only one pirate or black mercenary succeed in giving us a simple justification of their crimes. Paranoiacs turn reality like they do. They seem so more dangerous for us and ready for our last judgment. Why do you think that might be? I suppose I shall deign to give you an answer, because I have nothing else to do. The list of people to whom I must justify myself is vanishingly small and has been for quite some time. Your name is not on it. The only being to whose judgement I submit is that of God. I certainly won't submit to yours unless you come and make me. You're welcome to try by the way, come out here into the deep black and see how we do things. It might open your eyes to the way things are. I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.
Badel Jramodarr New Eden Miners Millitia 199	Posted - 2014.12.24 23:44:11 - [33] - Quote You need to rethink your strategy, or else you've failed before you have even begun. Some reasons to consider: A secret organisation does not advertise, thus, remaining secret - the operative word in 'secret organisation'. You use the same rhetoric and self righteous zealotry that The Code employs to justify your actions. You are not sanctioned, and therefore have no more right to enforce your policies than The Code has to employ theirs. The method you wish to employ is vigilantism. If you're going to draw others to your cause it would pay to understand this, and voice this in ernest or risk just looking like a mirror image of The Code Prepare to be discovered (even if you didn't advertise); don't fool yourself into thinking that the identities of those within your oragnisation are safe. Capsuleers are resourceful. ...and most importantly: Education and preperation of said miners, industrialists, haulers is the best weapon in reducing The Code's incentive and effectiveness I would encourage you to seek a more enlightened means to achieve your end goal; namely, the education of the newly initiated capsuleers, they are the one's most open to learning. The Code also employ this method to bolster their numbers with new recruits as they understand this concept. If retribution is what you seek, then continue on with what you are doing, you will be branded vigilantes, and rightly so. If your intent is truly for the betterment of high security space you may want to consider a re-evaluation of your methods and mandate. I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all
Blue spy Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion. 19	Posted - 2014.12.25 04:30:04 - [34] - Quote This is outrageous! Wanton carnage and destruction is key to economic progress in our interstellar society! Whether it's a hulk being destroyed in an asteroid belt; or an expensive raven destroyed attempting a lowsec passage. Drug runners, pirates, and agents of the CODE alike are the selfless agents of economic prosperity. They should be rewarded, not punished for their courageous sacrifice atop the altar of our commonwealth. It is only the misguided and entrenched elite with its pockets in industry and mining who would look to tell you otherwise. Think for yourself, and work protect the cultural activities of vagrants everywhere. THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE INTERSTELLAR SCUMBAGS UNION PRESS OFFICE
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.12.25 18:59:09 - [35] - Quote Zsaryna Adrelana wrote: XeX Znndstrup wrote: When we will eliminate them, don't worry, we will be ok with ourself. What seems very strange each time is that not only one pirate or black mercenary succeed in giving us a simple justification of their crimes. Paranoiacs turn reality like they do. They seem so more dangerous for us and ready for our last judgment. Why do you think that might be? I suppose I shall deign to give you an answer, because I have nothing else to do. The list of people to whom I must justify myself is vanishingly small and has been for quite some time. Your name is not on it. The only being to whose judgement I submit is that of God. I certainly won't submit to yours unless you come and make me. You're welcome to try by the way, come out here into the deep black and see how we do things. It might open your eyes to the way things are. We accept this invitation. But only if you deserve it. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 354	Posted - 2014.12.26 13:03:03 - [36] - Quote Badel Jramodarr wrote: You need to rethink your strategy, or else you've failed before you have even begun. Some reasons to consider: A secret organisation does not advertise, thus, remaining secret - the operative word in 'secret organisation'. You use the same rhetoric and self righteous zealotry that The Code employs to justify your actions. You are not sanctioned, and therefore have no more right to enforce your policies than The Code has to enforce theirs. The method you wish to employ is vigilantism. If you're going to draw others to your cause it would pay to understand this, and voice this in ernest or risk just looking like a mirror image of The Code Prepare to be discovered (even if you didn't advertise); don't fool yourself into thinking that the identities of those within your oragnisation are safe. Capsuleers are resourceful. ...and most importantly: Education and preperation of said miners, industrialists, haulers is the best weapon in reducing The Code's incentive and effectiveness I would encourage you to seek a more enlightened means to achieve your end goal; namely, the education of the newly initiated capsuleers, they are the one's most open to learning. The Code also employ this method to bolster their numbers with new recruits as they understand this concept. If retribution is what you seek, then continue on with what you are doing, you will be branded vigilantes, and rightly so. If your intent is truly for the betterment of high security space you may want to consider a re-evaluation of your methods and mandate. Good advice, but they won't listen. Miners are dim. Like, really dim. And humourless, grouchy, possesive, hostile, foul-mouthed, tetchy, stuck in a victim-mentality... You're too hot to be defending miners. I could put you to much better use. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 7258	Posted - 2014.12.26 15:12:20 - [37] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: You're too hot to be defending miners. I could put you to much better use. Yeap, fact he's way too hot to not already be spoken for. Just like my sister, seems you have very refined taste Miss Denton! But don't make me get all ghetto up in here yo. 'cause I'll go there. Don't Mind Us - Isogen 5 (Now Recruiting) CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï Andrew Jester: "my posting brings all the bads to the yard, and they're like, I'm better than you"
Thea Isotalo Black Rise Colonial Exploration 1	Posted - 2014.12.26 16:03:52 - [38] - Quote Shelby Dusette wrote: But don't make me get all ghetto up in here yo. 'cause I'll go there. You'll lose.
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 7286	Posted - 2014.12.26 16:06:58 - [39] - Quote Thea Isotalo wrote: Shelby Dusette wrote: But don't make me get all ghetto up in here yo. 'cause I'll go there. You'll lose. Hello Miss! I see you're obviously new here. Allow me to bestow your second galnet forum-system like! Don't spend that credibility all at once yo. Don't Mind Us - Isogen 5 (Now Recruiting) CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." =ƒÆï Andrew Jester: "my posting brings all the bads to the yard, and they're like, I'm better than you"
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 25423	Posted - 2014.12.26 18:17:14 - [40] - Quote Ladies, please. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Dar'Nalaa GankBears 2	Posted - 2014.12.27 00:59:32 - [41] - Quote We will be happy to support this, contact me in game please Dar'Nalaa
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2014.12.27 08:42:19 - [42] - Quote Dar'Nalaa wrote: We will be happy to support this, contact me in game please Dar'Nalaa We will. Thanks. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
Badel Jramodarr New Eden Miners Millitia 217	Posted - 2014.12.27 11:27:32 - [43] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Ladies, please. I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all ...I'm on a horse
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1192	Posted - 2014.12.27 12:56:53 - [44] - Quote Kellie Dusette wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: It's not much of a secret organization if you announce it over a public bickering room. Kellie say for this exact thing too, but nobody ever listen to a Kellie. Lot of bicker here, and for speeches sound like drunk try for raise a bar room rabble. That's not true. I follow every word you speak, every move you make and ... sound like a stalker now. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.12.30 16:17:21 - [45] - Quote I would be scared! (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 155	Posted - 2015.01.03 08:47:24 - [46] - Quote Oi I only kill combat pilots or people I think are eyes where concord can see. Hell even reemburse New capsuleers! Just because I'm -9 sec status doesn't mean I love killing workers: I mean really.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:49:19 - [47] - Quote One Gallente, One Minmatar, One Caldari, One Amarr. Each for a voice. Each for his race. And justice for all. Lex Vim Vi Omnia Timor Domini. Amen. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise. Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions. _The Law_channel
U'tah Arareb 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.02.03 16:48:52 - [48] - Quote Have you given any thought to the Pax Amarria? Concord has done well, the rest is up to us to bring law and peace to lowsec... Border Patrol: Orbit border systems highsec jumpgates (highsec bordering low) and enforce law by blasting suspects and criminals entering via that jumpgate. CONCORD will not engage a Criminal flagged person unless they obtained that flag in a highsec system. Criminal Flagging continues after CONCORD has destroyed the flagged ship for some time. Lowsec Entry Escort: High/Low borders are the highest risk for ganking, give those lost souls something to think about by orbiting the gate on the lowsec side. Guardian Angel: Sinners often prey on the weak, patrol Belts and give Suspects and Criminals the full light of Truth!
Sera Kor-Azor Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word 27	Posted - 2015.02.11 00:28:11 - [49] - Quote ] Badel Jramodarr wrote: Good advice, but they won't listen. Min-matar are dim. Like, really dim. And humourless, grouchy, possesive, hostile, foul-mouthed, tetchy, stuck in a victim-mentality... You're too hot to be defending minmatar. THEY could be put to much better use. There, I fixed it for you. Smirk Pardon me for saying so, but I am uncertain about some things. As you can see, I am not a Thukker. I am a mother yes, but I am not a Mother Thukker. However, isn't it customary for Thukker caravans to include miners in their group as well as Industrialists, scouts, guards and enforcers? If you are growing tired of the miners in your own caravan, I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 496	Posted - 2015.02.11 13:36:03 - [50] - Quote In merely a few pages this turned into an even more pathetic empty fist shaking than it was at the start. Can't say I'm surprised really. For those looking to organize and shoot at outlaws; take a number. And maybe learn on the mistakes of the idiots who had the same idea before. Sera Kor-Azor wrote: I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk You buying, m'lady? Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2015.02.11 16:13:59 - [51] - Quote Leopold Caine wrote: In merely a few pages this turned into an even more pathetic empty fist shaking than it was at the start. Can't say I'm surprised really. For those looking to organize and shoot at outlaws; take a number. And maybe learn on the mistakes of the idiots who had the same idea before. Hunting is hunting. Assassins or hunters can make the same mistakes, be sure. Because they have the same weapons. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 364	Posted - 2015.02.11 21:34:16 - [52] - Quote Sera Kor-Azor wrote: I am a mother yes, but I am not a Mother Thukker. No? I am. Sera Kor-Azor wrote: If you are growing tired of the miners in your own caravan, I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk My caravan does not mine. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Sera Kor-Azor Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word 41	Posted - 2015.02.13 13:04:24 - [53] - Quote Leopold Caine wrote: In merely a few pages this turned into an even more pathetic empty fist shaking than it was at the start. Can't say I'm surprised really. For those looking to organize and shoot at outlaws; take a number. And maybe learn on the mistakes of the idiots who had the same idea before. Sera Kor-Azor wrote: I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk You buying, m'lady? Are you selling, Sir? At last! Someone who recognizes my status as a holder and addresses me as such!
Sera Kor-Azor Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word 41	Posted - 2015.02.13 13:18:07 - [54] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: Sera Kor-Azor wrote: I am a mother yes, but I am not a Mother Thukker. No? I am. Sera Kor-Azor wrote: If you are growing tired of the miners in your own caravan, I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk My caravan does not mine. Yet other caravans do I suppose, or might? I just find it rather odd that a Thukker Caravan, which I had always understood to be self-sufficient, would not also include miners as well. Are you dependent upon having your minerals obtained for you by outsiders? Do you buy your minerals from Amarrians? How about from Amarrian slave labour mining camps? Would you know whether or not the minerals you bought came from slave labour camps or not? I do mining myself, you see. I do not consider mining to be an inferior activity, or miners to be a lesser sort of person, or myself to be above manual labor. As a Nun, I consider performing manual labor as a duty to God. Is your caravan mostly in high security space? From trade hub to trade hub? I am just wondering how you get your minerals to build things with in a place such as null sec space.
Thea Isotalo Black Rise Colonial Exploration 17	Posted - 2015.02.13 16:11:51 - [55] - Quote I gotta say I'm not too familiar with Thukker convoys, but that seems like a pretty cool concept. No bases, no planets, move system to system as a self-contained group of ships. It sounds very romantic. But kinda lonely too. I like to have a nice gravity well to call home. But agreed with the above, ya gotta throw mining as a part of the process. When we set up a colony, it has to be self-sufficient. That means, mining and industry are an integral part of the process. If a nearby local market doesn't have what we need or is too expensive, we have to be able to make it for ourselves.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1273	Posted - 2015.02.13 16:29:08 - [56] - Quote Sera Kor-Azor wrote: Leopold Caine wrote: In merely a few pages this turned into an even more pathetic empty fist shaking than it was at the start. Can't say I'm surprised really. For those looking to organize and shoot at outlaws; take a number. And maybe learn on the mistakes of the idiots who had the same idea before. Sera Kor-Azor wrote: I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk You buying, m'lady? Are you selling, Sir? At last! Someone who recognizes my status as a holder and addresses me as such! The Angel Cartel and Mr. Caine are not authorized slavers and purchasing from them would be highly inappropriate, your ladyship.
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 365	Posted - 2015.02.13 18:04:31 - [57] - Quote Sera Kor-Azor wrote: Yet other caravans do I suppose, or might? I just find it rather odd that a Thukker Caravan, which I had always understood to be self-sufficient, would not also include miners as well. Are you dependent upon having your minerals obtained for you by outsiders? Do you buy your minerals from Amarrians? How about from Amarrian slave labour mining camps? Would you know whether or not the minerals you bought came from slave labour camps or not? I do mining myself, you see. I do not consider mining to be an inferior activity, or miners to be a lesser sort of person, or myself to be above manual labor. As a Nun, I consider performing manual labor as a duty to God. Is your caravan mostly in high security space? From trade hub to trade hub? I am just wondering how you get your minerals to build things with in a place such as null sec space. Believe it or not, there are still miners out there who dump all their hard-earned ore into jetcans and MTU's. As long as they continue this practice, my caravan will never need to mine. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
U'tah Arareb 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2015.02.13 21:10:42 - [58] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: Sera Kor-Azor wrote: Yet other caravans do I suppose, or might? I just find it rather odd that a Thukker Caravan, which I had always understood to be self-sufficient, would not also include miners as well. Are you dependent upon having your minerals obtained for you by outsiders? Do you buy your minerals from Amarrians? How about from Amarrian slave labour mining camps? Would you know whether or not the minerals you bought came from slave labour camps or not? I do mining myself, you see. I do not consider mining to be an inferior activity, or miners to be a lesser sort of person, or myself to be above manual labor. As a Nun, I consider performing manual labor as a duty to God. Is your caravan mostly in high security space? From trade hub to trade hub? I am just wondering how you get your minerals to build things with in a place such as null sec space. Believe it or not, there are still miners out there who dump all their hard-earned ore into jetcans and MTU's. As long as they continue this practice, my caravan will never need to mine. oh so.. you are a thief. Noted.
Sera Kor-Azor Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word 43	Posted - 2015.02.15 06:21:25 - [59] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Sera Kor-Azor wrote: Leopold Caine wrote: In merely a few pages this turned into an even more pathetic empty fist shaking than it was at the start. Can't say I'm surprised really. For those looking to organize and shoot at outlaws; take a number. And maybe learn on the mistakes of the idiots who had the same idea before. Sera Kor-Azor wrote: I'm sure I could find a new home and purpose for them. Smirk You buying, m'lady? Are you selling, Sir? At last! Someone who recognizes my status as a holder and addresses me as such! The Angel Cartel and Mr. Caine are not authorized slavers and purchasing from them would be highly inappropriate, your ladyship. Duly noted, Lieutenant Kerner. By Imperial edict, slaves may no longer be purchased from outside the boundaries of the Empire. However, I do think that mining is an activity where one can find devotion and servitude to the one true God. I think this is true even if one must be enslaved in order to realize this. There are many slaves who have discovered the meaning of the true God through the blessed institute of divine servitude. It would be a shame, indeed, a great sorrow, if people such as the Thukkers in this Ladies caravan did not learn this truth, through compulsary hard labour. I cannot, indeed, shall not purchase slaves from outside of the bounds of the Amarrian Empire. However, I will pray that their caravan is besieged and attacked, and their members enslaved, so that they can be brought out of the darkness of a life of theft and piracy, and learn about the dignity and honor of a life of hard labour in the service of the Amarrian Empire.
Manweru Cemenotar Cemenotar's Squadron 0	Posted - 2015.02.15 09:12:10 - [60] - Quote Well, I used to mine for some time in the past and saying from my own experience I can only say that our BEST weapon against those scumbags Is denyin them their "prey" teach the miners about their existance on very beginning - many of the incapacitated used to believe that they will meet no hostility from other capsuleers in high security space. then - learn them how to defend themselves - teach them how to avoid being ambushed. not all miners are dumb folks - actually every single miner I ever knew where quiteinteligent people - but without knowledge and experience - and they got involved into mining because they found it the least risky place to earn their isks. Lets not forget why really scumbags like CODE and phew other corporations are doing it - they are shouting about ideology but for truth they are trying to limit the resources coming into the market so they can benefit better from their self sutained production - by self sustained I mean managed by sigle entity from mining throught refining up to building ship module or munitions itself. when miners as overall will become more aware about danger and more aware about their surroundings and when denyed the prey for long enought most of them will get bored and will go find themselves other activity. and I have to admit that I know exacly what I am saying cause I mined back then even when our corporation was declared a war and managed to not only survive that but also my mining output was not hugely affected by corporation being at war state.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2015.02.15 11:10:10 - [61] - Quote Thief's ship must be destroyed. Assassin's ship also. And podded. As long as necessary. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Manweru Cemenotar Cemenotar's Squadron 1	Posted - 2015.02.15 18:21:32 - [62] - Quote well I would not be surprised if it was lets say - amarrian saying this but situation goes into awkward direction when GALLENTE is shouting for killing and Caldari is calling for using not force but wisdom in fight against them.... well that second part maybe is not as much ironical or something but last time I checked - wasn't it federations callmark? freedom and peace such things?
Karynn Denton Clan Katanga Caravan 365	Posted - 2015.02.15 19:20:21 - [63] - Quote Sera Kor-Azor wrote: However, I will pray that their caravan is besieged and attacked, and their members enslaved, so that they can be brought out of the darkness of a life of theft and piracy, and learn about the dignity and honor of a life of hard labour in the service of the Amarrian Empire. Pray well and often then, little nun; it would truly take an act of divine intervention for the Katanga to succumb to such a fate. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Gorinia Sanford Ministry of War Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2015.02.16 19:49:13 - [64] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: Damn criminals! It's a known fact that outlaw pilots are always flying around high on combat-boosters, fearlessly and senselessly engaging anything that moves. The only way to stand any chance against them is use combat-boosters yourself. Now, as it happens, I am upstanding member of the Thukker community who can supply these combat-boosters. Don't think of them as illegal... they're just enhancers, right? I mean, you don't think twice about rigging your ships, do you? Why not rig your brain, too! Call me and I'll sort you out with what you need to fight the criminal menace! Drugs are bad, m'kay? Seriously though, I applaud the sentiment in this thread.
Gorinia Sanford Ministry of War Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2015.02.16 19:52:51 - [65] - Quote XeX Znndstrup wrote: Anyone is free to be and do what he wants. We love freedom. But anyone is also responsible about what he does (more than what he says). Whatever its corporation. Assassins, we don't see and don't know your corporations. We only see your acts. As individual. I find it quite ironic that these so-called "saviors of high sec" seem to be saying "You're playing the sandbox wrong". Is not the purpose of the sandbox to play how you will? Granted, eliminating bots is laudable, but that's as far as I will go. It's always a good thing to get rid of cheaters. But screwing with live players, that's a different story. That's what low and null sec is for.
Gorinia Sanford Ministry of War Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2015.02.16 20:14:30 - [66] - Quote Eojek wrote: Bianca Silver wrote: Go away CODE, nobody likes you. A funny thing: CODE only attacks individuals and small organizations. Large, organized, dedicated organizations do not have to worry about them as much. CODE is in fact, a group petty thugs and extortionists. I will cite an interview I had with a 150 capsulier corporation who'se number were quite dedicated. Their numbers were quite disiplined and tended to follow very strict sets of protocalls. Due to their organization and numbers, CODE was forced to leave them alone. The corporation sees wardecs as an inevitable reality and has very effective protocalls and disciplined pilots who not only field guns, but eyes and ears as well. Wardecs do not last long as the corporation has also chosen a location that is highly defendable, making a wardec pointless. One very determined group lasted three weeks before finally giving up. Never give CODE an ounce of ISK. It's like scraching a wound and it'll only make things worse. Funny thing about CODE is the remind me quite a bit of the anti-smoking *****. They started out as people annoyed with smokers, graduated to warning folks of the dangers of smoking. When no one listened to their relentless prattling (because we have a free will), they starting making inroads into places of power to enact laws in order to force people into a behavior they found acceptable. Similar with CODE, folks weren't playing in high sec how they thought they shold be, so they started suicide ganking and extorting folks into the behavior they find acceptable. Fortunately, it appears there are enough folks here still willing to tell them to pee up a rope. One thing in common to me though is both groups appear to have such pathetic lives that they have to find joy in making others miserable by attempting to control their behavior. From the founder of CODE on down, I am willing to bet that they have no power in their own lives, that they feel the need to try to be "famous" in a virtual world. Funny thing is, being famous (infamous is a more accurate term) in Eve is like being rich in a game of Monopoly. It amounts to very little in the grand scheme of things. If they happen to blow up one of my mining vessels, chances are I actually make a profit on the insurance policy because the vessel has already paid for itself many times over. Also, if I get tired of the business here, I have many other games to entertain myself on my hard drive. Or a read a book. Or interact with friends. I read CODE's website for amusement, for I picture the author of it like the guy in that WoW episode of South Park. "Yes, we're dealing with someone who has no life."
Gorinia Sanford Ministry of War Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2015.02.16 20:28:06 - [67] - Quote Karynn Denton wrote: Badel Jramodarr wrote: You need to rethink your strategy, or else you've failed before you have even begun. Some reasons to consider: A secret organisation does not advertise, thus, remaining secret - the operative word in 'secret organisation'. You use the same rhetoric and self righteous zealotry that The Code employs to justify your actions. You are not sanctioned, and therefore have no more right to enforce your policies than The Code has to enforce theirs. The method you wish to employ is vigilantism. If you're going to draw others to your cause it would pay to understand this, and voice this in ernest or risk just looking like a mirror image of The Code Prepare to be discovered (even if you didn't advertise); don't fool yourself into thinking that the identities of those within your oragnisation are safe. Capsuleers are resourceful. ...and most importantly: Education and preperation of said miners, industrialists, haulers is the best weapon in reducing The Code's incentive and effectiveness I would encourage you to seek a more enlightened means to achieve your end goal; namely, the education of the newly initiated capsuleers, they are the one's most open to learning. The Code also employ this method to bolster their numbers with new recruits as they understand this concept. If retribution is what you seek, then continue on with what you are doing, you will be branded vigilantes, and rightly so. If your intent is truly for the betterment of high security space you may want to consider a re-evaluation of your methods and mandate. Good advice, but they won't listen. *Miners are dim. Like, really* dim.** And humourless, grouchy, possesive, hostile, foul-mouthed, tetchy, stuck in a victim-mentality... You're too hot to be defending miners. I could put you to much better use. Hey, speak for yourself. This miner tanks the vehicles I fly. And lately, I only fly a procurer (if that's all that is available) or a Skiff. :) While I can afford to replace said vehicles, I'd rather not incur the expense.
Aria Jenneth Perkone Caldari State 213	Posted - 2015.02.16 21:10:08 - [68] - Quote Um. Does this kind of thing ever actually work?
Rictor Thellere Rictor Thellere Private Trade Corporation 17	Posted - 2015.02.17 04:11:25 - [69] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Um. Does this kind of thing ever actually work? Not in the organized sense... Oddly the most effective means of dealing with organized crime is in-fact disorganized resistance, by that I mean individuals taking up an ideal without worry of 'who's in charge'.
Shin Jan Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2015.02.17 13:25:31 - [70] - Quote And what will you do that Concord does not already ? Kill our ships ? Haha Pathetic and clueless
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2015.02.18 15:55:40 - [71] - Quote Gorinia Sanford wrote: I find it quite ironic that these so-called "saviors of high sec" seem to be saying "You're playing the sandbox wrong". Is not the purpose of the sandbox to play how you will? No good way how to play a sandbox. Only consequences when you play it in some ways. Never forget that, even if it's a game, when you kill and steal another player, you steal his time of game. And his real money. No mitigating circumstances so. And cheaters... let CCP security team do their job. No mitigating circumstances so. "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
XeX Znndstrup Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2015.02.18 16:08:56 - [72] - Quote Shin Jan wrote: And what will you do that Concord does not already ? Kill our ships ? Haha Pathetic and clueless Concord is very tender and forget very quickly. We don't. Destroying your ships ? Absolutly. Many times. During a long time. Until you change your behaviour. And kiss our hand for pardon. We like to remove any means to assassins. Their dirty money can be used at least for community interest more than for narcissistic and individual appetite of cowards. Be sure of one thing : we are patient. We are volition. We will take all time to build what we want against this calamity. Are you ready to die ? "Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.

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