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Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:03:46 -
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Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting.
http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? |
Tsukino Stareine
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:11:24 -
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the typhoon just cause of the tank amount |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9202
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:17:44 -
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Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid?
What is a "Botlands"? |
Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:18:09 -
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Thanks, also the cheapest just not sure how much tank I really need to hold the site. |
Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:25:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? What is a "Botlands"? Synomime for Drone region. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1282
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Posted - 2014.12.22 22:47:09 -
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Rattler ? |
Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2014.12.23 07:19:24 -
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Rattle is very skill heavy for good dps |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.23 07:23:15 -
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You forgot your drones on the Barghest. You can have it estimate price (based on eve-central, I think) in preferences. I would probably go the Barghest and throw in an extra SBA or a prop mod. Or a TP. Also, Vampires/Neuts are useless against NPCs, last I heard (although I'm not sure if the info was right)
Also, RS isn't very skill heavy for DPS, since the main DPS normally comes from the drones (which it has a role bonus equivalent to a domi with BS5 for heavies/sentries) and you already have t2 sentries, so it might be good choice. Also has a good tank |
Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
3
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Posted - 2014.12.23 08:12:34 -
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The vampires keep me cap stable, if you put them on a npc you still get cap so you are sort of cheating.
And yes I forgot drones on the Barghest, its also the most expensive of the 3. |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
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Posted - 2014.12.23 14:57:16 -
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Barghest is a terrible choice for PvE. Sure, it has marginally more paper DPS, but the second bonus is completely wasted and it won't apply damage as well as a CNR. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9253
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Posted - 2014.12.23 15:57:49 -
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Seith Dixon wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? What is a "Botlands"? Synomime for Drone region.
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[Rattlesnake, Drone Regions] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Micro Jump Drive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pith C-Type EM Ward Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum A-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Gecko x1 Praetor II x2 Gecko x1
This is what I used when I had a character in Drones 2 months ago.
In Hordes, warp to 30, approach a structure and MJD. This gets you off the warp in beacon but keeps you in drone control range of everything/
Start ECM burst (to keep aggro off drone), launch drone, kill any frigs 1st with drone as drones approach you (frigs die 1st for safety because some warp disrupt, but also because frigs soak up a lot of the cruise missile dps so getting them killed 1st clears the way for your cruises to do max damage on battleships and crusiers/BCs coming at you.
Repeat for each spawn, remember to restart FoF missiles and restart them after reload. Watch drone for incidental aggro though everything will die before the gecko even gets into armor on the rare occasion aggro switches off of you. Inferno FoFs for the bonus instead of EM missiles.
FoF/ECM Burst/GeckoSnake (I really need to find a better name) is nice and easy, fairly cheap as Pirate ship ratter set ups go, safe (pay attention and dying is almost impossible with your MJD) and not as embarrassing a loss as a ratting carrier is.
Also, makes more isk than an "Isktar" fit Ishtar with the only 'overhead' being FoF missiles which you can build for yourself if you have access to a station. |
Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:25:54 -
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Too bad my drone skills suck balls... I trow it in eft but doubt I get any reasonable dps. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9259
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:26:22 -
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Seith Dixon wrote:Too bad my drone skills suck balls... I trow it in eft but doubt I get any reasonable dps.
My character that flies it get 1150 dps with not perfect skills. How much do you get. once I know that I might be able to figure out a quick training plan for you to get you above 900 at least. The Rattlesnake great for lower skilled drone pilots because the strength is in the ship bonuses.
More is better but imo anything above 800-850 dps in a battleship sized ship is ok for ratting. My Machariel with partial crystal set (for tank) and +5 hardwirings (guns and cap) deadspace fit does 1400+ dps, for comparison (and epeen wagging:) ). |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1297
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Posted - 2014.12.23 23:00:11 -
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If you have good missile skills and lowish drone replacing some of the DDA with BCU in that fit might work for you. |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2014.12.25 12:04:34 -
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rattle or Ishtar/gila for botlands anything drone/missle based/ my ex dronelands rattle got to 1700 vanilla 1850 overheated dps before it got to silly silly money. Obviously that was with implants and deadspace fit.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Abyss Azizora
Temporary Corp 12
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Posted - 2014.12.26 09:48:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? What is a "Botlands"?
I wondered the same, figured he was making up a name for CFC null. |
Koshie Naranek
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.01.01 00:07:05 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Barghest is a terrible choice for PvE. Sure, it has marginally more paper DPS, but the second bonus is completely wasted and it won't apply damage as well as a CNR.
With Caldari BS V and good missiles skills (not on this toon fwiw) I'd argue the Barghest is the best cruise missile platform for pve in the game. Yes the point bonus is wasted. So what. Your cruise missiles travel over 20k a second. They will hit your target before fire cycle comes up, no more wasted salvos. And with some rigor rigs and those great missile skills you will hit bigger targerts harder than a CNR and still do great damage on smaller ships. With a faction AB you burn around over 500 m/s with a 370 m sig radius. It's sort of a Machariel with missiles. And at 20k m/s missile velocity it mind as well be guns.
On an alt that does the occasional pve stuff I will never do any pve activity with cruises on any other boat except the Barghest. Selling Golem and CNR cheap if interested.
But yeah if just starting out the CNR will be better because you really need all V's for the Barghest to shine in pve.
And another but, using a BS for 0.0 is a bit risky. They are slow and easy to catch. Just be cautious. |
Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2015.01.01 08:14:12 -
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Also not sure why you want a AB on there..
Atm just using the navy typhoon and it works fine.
Also good intel and a good system does wonders to neuts. |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
64
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Posted - 2015.01.01 08:49:35 -
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Seith Dixon wrote:Also not sure why you want a AB on there..
Atm just using the navy typhoon and it works fine.
Also good intel and a good system does wonders to neuts. Because some of them can get good (500-700m/s) speed with a shiny AB which is only a fraction of the price of the hull? |
Stapaina
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:44:06 -
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Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid?
Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars.
If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back ! |
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.01.02 02:31:20 -
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Stapaina wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars. If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back ! depends on how much you play and hoe lucky you are But I got 30-40m/hour in a VNI (no loot/salvage), so if I focused on ratting for a day I'd get 300m+. I never do focus though, because I end up talking and forgetting, but yeah. |
Signal11th
1590
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Posted - 2015.01.02 11:06:04 -
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Stapaina wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars. If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back !
I've always been puzzled by comments like this, first of all money is relative, 500 mill to someone might be like 50 mil to someone else, plus speed you spend money on ratting ships for speed why make 20 mil a tick when you can make 30-40 mill a tick??
Its the whole klllboard thing, O look I killed a 5 bill ratting ship aren't I great!!!.... as the chap you just killed buys another one and carries on as normal.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Stapaina
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
1
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Posted - 2015.01.02 13:52:56 -
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Signal11th wrote:Stapaina wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars. If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back ! I've always been puzzled by comments like this, first of all money is relative, 500 mill to someone might be like 50 mil to someone else, plus speed you spend money on ratting ships for speed why make 20 mil a tick when you can make 30-40 mill a tick?? Its the whole klllboard thing, O look I killed a 5 bill ratting ship aren't I great!!!.... as the chap you just killed buys another one and carries on as normal.
I'll try to explain.
Look at the Raven fit: 2 pith invuls 280 mil x 2 = 560 mils pith a-type med booster - 400 mils cn navy boost amps 90 mils x 2 = 180 mils cn navy ballistics 4 x 90 mils = 320 mils
+ Raven navy another 620 mils
Totaly 2 billion isks and maximum DPS is 1100 with slow warp speed and **** agility. Also why do you need such a tank for ratting with cruises ? Warp a distance, quickly kill everything, warp out.
Now look at the Gila with t2 fit (350 mils) it does 840 DPS with an exellent agility, tanks easily any rats, even with heavy neuting.
Also look at Istar T2 fit. It can do 942 DPS.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9284
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Posted - 2015.01.02 14:33:08 -
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Stapaina wrote:Signal11th wrote:Stapaina wrote:Seith Dixon wrote:Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting. http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png Or are my fits just stupid? Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars. If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back ! I've always been puzzled by comments like this, first of all money is relative, 500 mill to someone might be like 50 mil to someone else, plus speed you spend money on ratting ships for speed why make 20 mil a tick when you can make 30-40 mill a tick?? Its the whole klllboard thing, O look I killed a 5 bill ratting ship aren't I great!!!.... as the chap you just killed buys another one and carries on as normal. I'll try to explain. Look at the Raven fit: 2 pith invuls 280 mil x 2 = 560 mils pith a-type med booster - 400 mils cn navy boost amps 90 mils x 2 = 180 mils cn navy ballistics 4 x 90 mils = 320 mils + Raven navy another 620 mils Totaly 2 billion isks and maximum DPS is 1100 with slow warp speed and **** agility. If you make 50 mils an hour ratting, 2 billions is 40 hours of ratting !!! Also why do you need such a tank for ratting with cruises ? Warp a distance, quickly kill everything, warp out. Now look at the Gila with t2 fit (350 mils) it does 840 DPS with an exellent agility, tanks easily any rats, even with heavy neuting. Also look at Istar T2 fit. It can do 942 DPS. And cost less then 400 mils. And believe me, those 2 ships will do the ratting way quicker then a Raven.
The Navy Raven (or other ships, like my machariel) not only make more isk per hour, but fit properly they can solo the escalations (you can even solo blood raider naval ship yard with an extreme range sensor boosted MJD Fit Navy Raven, BNRNS is the hardest DED 10/10 in the game) While the Ishtar and Gila can do some tings (especially in Guristas/Serpentis Space), you end up needing another ship to do escalations almost everywhere else. At least this is the case until CCP lets Gila's and Ishtars fit and use MJDs.
My Navy Raven does 25 mil per tick (75 mil an hour) while being able to sit perfectly still aligned to a station without the hassle of having to rely on drones. The Machariel does even better, and when i use both together (the navy raven using FoF missiles then) it's pretty insane. I like the Gila and Ishtar but they just don't compare at all to properly fit faction PVE battleships.
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Atuesuel
Mithril.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 15:32:24 -
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LOL missiles and Shield Boats still 3 times better then a gallente ship |
Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
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Posted - 2015.01.07 17:09:49 -
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As much as these fits perform, they're *very* pricey ratting ships for 0.0 space. You can be the most careful pilot in EVE, but there will be a time where your attention will lapse and you'll lose a ship worth far more than the months of ratting you did to pay for it.
That's just my opinion, though. Leave the blingy stuff in high-sec. |
Jurico Elemenohpe
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.08 00:43:54 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:As much as these fits perform, they're *very* pricey ratting ships for 0.0 space. You can be the most careful pilot in EVE, but there will be a time where your attention will lapse and you'll lose a ship worth far more than the months of ratting you did to pay for it.
That's just my opinion, though. Leave the blingy stuff in high-sec. While I kind of agree with you, it's far less than months. A few days, depending on how much you rat. |
Signal11th
1596
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Posted - 2015.01.08 09:27:47 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:As much as these fits perform, they're *very* pricey ratting ships for 0.0 space. You can be the most careful pilot in EVE, but there will be a time where your attention will lapse and you'll lose a ship worth far more than the months of ratting you did to pay for it.
That's just my opinion, though. Leave the blingy stuff in high-sec.
Why? I usually make in 2 days enough to pay for any pricey bling ship I own if I lost it. People seem to be obsessed with the price of a ship.
E.G First time I ever attempted a Standard Sleeper Cache I was in a scanning tengu and promptly because I didn't know the site got popped. So the cost was around 600mil in total.
Found another Cache and the Maze in my spare one and after 1hr had made enough to pay for 2 tengus...it's all relative.
I on average make 1-3 bill Uevery 3 to 5 days just doing anoms and exploring and all you have to do (this bit is important) "fit your ship right even if it costs you an extra 500mil) and keep your wits about you at all time. The people searching for you are 90% just as stupid as the people who solo afk in a gila and wonder when they get back why they are back in a station.
Patience is what most people just don't have in this game, you're doing a site which may pay out 500-1bil and you get neutrals in the system, just refit cloak and wait them out or move to another system and do another site and come back.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Seith Dixon
Dixie Rent
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Posted - 2015.01.15 12:08:59 -
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Who cares about the ship cost? Its easy to get back anyway.. And good intel is half of the work really... 1bil-1.5bil isn't that bad that is barly a carrier hull heh. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
877
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:10:18 -
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Signal11th wrote:Why? I usually make in 2 days enough to pay for any pricey bling ship I own if I lost it. People seem to be obsessed with the price of a ship.
This is the same line of thinking I get from people when I try to explain to them that they shouldn't be getting back thousands of dollars from their taxes.
Time is money friend.
Break it all down into a spreadsheet and look at how much money you are losing (not to mention time lost by having to retrain subsystems skills) by operating the way you are and you will see that isk efficiency isn't just an applicable stat to pvp but to ratting as well.
Unless of course you don't care enough because this is a video game in which case knock yourself out and have a ball doing whatever you want.
Start grinding out the ISK for a super and you will change your tune to be as efficient as possible.
Not today spaghetti.
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