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Koshmarnaya Akula Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:33:00 - [1] Why the hell can't we all get along? I hate Revan as much as the next guy, but to be hoenst, I'm sick and tired of conflict and hate getting the best of us. Amarrians want Matari under heel, us Caldari want to be free of our Gallante shadow, Matri despise Amarrians for what they've done, etc etc. Now look, I know that matters are more complex. I know that economies, power, crazy ladies, and relgion plays a part here, but we're not working towards anything productive. We're just bickering like little children with lasers and missiles. So I know that 60% of us could care less or wouldn't agree on how to live in peace. Yet shouldn't we be trying? All of these pod alliances fail eventually, well not all, but a large number do. Corporations constantly spring up because someone said something to someone else, and isk flows around greasing the ears of those who would through something better to the wind. It doesn't change, new ships are made, then destroyed and for what? A few isk here or there and it means so very little. It becomes tiresome to be honest, especially when we're at the presipice of being something more. Even if its futile, even if we're destined to live out our small lives filled with contempt and lust for power, shouldn't we be working towards something better? I guess even mad caldari can dream.
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:41:00 - [2] There's no profit in peace. Besides, history is on my side.
Pericles Maranhao Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.10 23:43:00 - [3] War might not be the smartest, but it's sometimes the easiest way to work out a conflict. No enemy, no issue. I guess that's why it's so popular, be it on EVE or real life.
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.11 00:50:00 - [4] War promotes progress. At least that is what history has proven in the past. The unfortunate thing is and is also proven by history; war does not bring anything new to the table. War removes things from the table, simple as that. In the last several 1000 years however, nothing of real value has been replaced in likes of humanities betterment. The progresses recorded through the ages consist of industries and corporations forced to make already existing things bigger, better, stronger, lighter, faster, more devastating for the sake of finding a resolution with a clear loser with themselves as the sole winner. Humanity in these times suffer severe disadvantages because of Amarr Empires control over all of the oldest recorded information. I have searched through the collective mythologies of countless races, tribes and religions and have no evidence of written history before space travel. If it were possible to look at what and how humans evolved into beings motivated to investigate the stars it would be possible to compare and contrast the ways in which these cultures evolved to support and maintain galactic levels of competitive blood sport. It is my theory that space travel was first introduced into the equations of evolution in order to explore, perhaps a race enlightened enough to put down the sword long enough to make it to space was searching for a way to escape the wars plaguing their own civilization. Maybe war had pillaged their planet to the point where space travel was the only option. Who knows these things? All I know is logically, war has no reason to exist with the amount of resources and technology at humanities disposal today. The only reason why war still exists is human kindÆs lust for power. Lust for power holds the different races within the galaxy together, keeps Caldari trading with Gallente and Matari docking at Amarrian ports. The only good thing about this is the differences within the many races of the universe have to be looked at and studied because in order to win at war one must watch the enemy. And so we, of all races, know a bit more about each other with every ship that is destroyed, every slave that is freed every corporation that is taken out. I have no doubt that with a comprehensive look into the past and proof of life before space travel, humans would find a common lineage between all the races: Whether or not that would be enough of a motivating factor to promote peace is something to be debated. Why humans can not live at peace? In reflection I think that answer lies within the pasts we are unable to access; The lost histories of our people, to the first ships capable of faster than light travel, to the gate builders of countless systems in the farthest reaches of the known universe, and beyond. Too many pieces of the puzzle are missing, and this subconscious hole within our inherently rational thought undoubtedly contributes to our frustrations and misunderstandings. As a wise man once said, we fear what we do not understand. If we do not understand ourselves, we will fear everything. "Trust me, I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.09.11 06:07:00 - [5] Religion and science both profess peace (and the sincerity of the professors is not being doubted), but each always turns out to have a dominant part in any war that is going or contemplated. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal weath, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. Peace is not the absence of war; it is a virtue; a state of mind; a disposition for benevolence; confidence; and justice. Amarr without an Emperor will never reach this. We were cut from Divinity. It is in vain to extenuate the matter. Men may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. Revan Neferis Verisum
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.11 11:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Pericles Maranhao Edited by: Pericles Maranhao on 10/09/2006 23:55:01 War might not be the smartest, but it's sometimes the easiest way to work out a conflict. No enemy, no issue. I guess that's why it's so popular. You have that backwards. No issue, no enemy.
Rana Ash Minmatar Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:49:00 - [7] It's genetic,as an example "they killed my kin. Now i want revenge, if i die my children will take up the fight". The wars will go on until nothing is left of either side, i doubt there will be peace in my lifetime.. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Aran Cole Minmatar Xerxes Enterprises Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.09.11 17:51:00 - [8] Si vis pacem, para bellum. _______________________
Vera Nosfyu Minmatar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.12 02:01:00 - [9] I believe for this I should simply point down to my signature. I have not the slightest idea who this "Josef Stalin" was, but he seems to have been quite the philosopher. ----------------------------------------------------------- "Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.12 05:40:00 - [10] Soon as i get done killing people maybe i will get around to comming up with a good response to you... but untill then let the fight continue.
Victor Valka Caldari Terra Incognita	Posted - 2006.09.12 06:58:00 - [11] War is a machine who's fuel is fear. Cut the fuel and the machine will grind to halt. Humanity can do it. It's not hard. Question is - do we really want to? This is the problem. Individuals who do not wish for peace as they thrive on conflict and strife. These individuals create fear to feed off it's products. Humans have mystified them and now these individuals are collectivly know as 'evil'. The only plausible way to rid this cosmos of them is to annihilate them. I'm sure we can see the dilemma. To a degree Aran Cole's statement is correct. I think it reads "If you want peace, prepare for war." Correct?
Scius Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.09.12 07:09:00 - [12] Peace through strength of arms. Those left standing are the righteous & will surly have been blessed by god.
Victor Valka Caldari Terra Incognita	Posted - 2006.09.12 07:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Scius Peace through strength of arms. Those left standing are the righteous & will surly have been blessed by god. If there is God in an antimatter shell or in the beam of a tachyon - surely this will be true by your logic.
IzzyChan True Core	Posted - 2006.09.12 13:47:00 - [14] All these constant wars and fighting, people dying and stuff exploding. Conflict happens, it's our nature. But wouldn't it be awesome if we could have wars where there would be no families crying for lost loved ones? Letting souless drones do all the fighting for wars and conflicts so we can all live peaceful and safe lifetimes? Someday, maybe... --------------------
Pezzle Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2006.09.12 21:18:00 - [15] To be free from conflict we must be free from desire. It is our imagined need for ever greater personal power, wealth, influence, sensation that ensure there is no peace.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 08:36:00 - [16] You know, it is interesting to see the responses your query evoked, Koshmarnaya. Promptly, everyone who would argue either in favor of war, or that conflict is inevitable, come vocally to the fore. This seems to be to be precisely the "maintain the status quo" impetus (and representative population) that Commander Baxter so eloquently described in his responses to Ms Doyle's "CONCORD: Coercisve Thugs or Bumbling Idiots?" transmission. I find it much more interesting, though, to ask you about this comment: Originally by: Koshmarnaya Akula ...A few isk here or there and it means so very little. It becomes tiresome to be honest, especially when we're at the presipice of being something more....shouldn't we be working towards something better? I agree with you that we should be working towards something better. Imagine what beneficial changes we could make happen throughout New Eden if all these bickering energies were turned instead to something that transcended mere turf wars and petty politics. So my question to you, is: what precipice, exactly, do you think we are at? What is the "something more" you envision, and why do you think this is a watershed time and place?
Vicarrah Minmatar Templar Republic	Posted - 2006.09.13 09:45:00 - [17] The problem lies in our childhood, humanity itself is a child, we as pod-pilots are the teenagers, learning to grow and transcend, yet still most of humanity is shackled to its own self-created slavery, tied to our weak flesh and mortality. we as pod-pilots transcend this mortality, from that one single point in time where the first clone was created with the memories of dead flesh, at that point in time we granted ourselves the ability to see past mortality, yet we still follow the old thought paths which lead to conflict and death. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Post-Humanity needs to grow up. Vicarrah Tahiri
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:45:00 - [18] agreed. "Trust me, I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.13 19:51:00 - [19] Because killing is fun. In rust we trust!!!
Ashar KorAzor Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:32:00 - [20] Edited by: Ashar KorAzor on 13/09/2006 20:33:24 No-one will simply 'get-along,' Mr. Akula. Peace must be forged. If you're interested in rendering some assistance to those attempting to bring about such circumstances, we should talk about what your idea of peace actually entails and maybe work together. Otherwise, I'd stop asking the age-old questions. They make you a target for violent answers.
Ashar KorAzor Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:33:00 - [21] Edited by: Ashar KorAzor on 13/09/2006 20:35:45 That reminds me. If you're interested in coordinating operations, please send me a letter or contact me directly. I think there's a few things we could do to make things a bit quieter around the cluster if we tried.
Pericles Maranhao Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 21:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Shanaya Venn Originally by: Pericles Maranhao Edited by: Pericles Maranhao on 10/09/2006 23:55:01 War might not be the smartest, but it's sometimes the easiest way to work out a conflict. No enemy, no issue. I guess that's why it's so popular. You have that backwards. No issue, no enemy. That's true, but with so many different personalities and interests manifested in virtually every system through four distinct races, it's virtually impossible to avoid arising issues.
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:17:00 - [23] I suggest tackling the primary issue in the universe needed to be reversed before attempting to acquire any meaningful galactic peace. And that is the death of slavery. No justice, no peace. The Amarr Empire stands as a monument to the successful manifestation of church and state supported war. Nurtured violence and supported oppression. If anyone outside of the Amarr bloodlines, whether Jov., Caldar., or other think that they will not eventually find themselves at the mercy of this unwarranted and inbred hateàthey need to take a serious look at the religious doctrines of Amarr and consider the ramifications of allowing such a practice to remain in existence. A practice induced and only by law has anything to do with Amarrian religion. For Amarr to change after the degree in which church and state has melded to reinforce such mentalities all the races must put serious pressure on every government and mega corporation; Instead of ignoring the plights of a whole race to maintain trade relations and focus on self interests regarding peace. There can be no skipped steps on the road to peace. Otherwise it will be impossible to obtain. "Trust me, I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.14 11:01:00 - [24] Not since the collapse of the EVE-gate has this galaxy known true peace. When the gate collapsed its destruction threw the galaxy into turmoil, neighbours fell upon each other to seize what they could in order to survive the death of the world they had known. It was only the slow rise of the empires that showed any brief respite as each power consolidated and unified, even then wars were thought over the scraps of the old civilisation. And then, the strong turned on the weak. The Gallente forged their Federation by subjugating those who would not bend the knee, the Amarr enslaved an entire race. For the Matari there would be no attempted integration as there was for the Caldari or Intaki, there would just be slavery. As history is want to demonstrate time and again, an oppressed people will not stay down forever. The Great Rebellion came and rocked the Amarr Empire to its core. The Caldari abandoned their political struggle to seize what the politicians would not allow. The galaxy burned. Since then, there has been but one semblance of galactic peace. The Yulai Convention. But it shall be a lasting peace as the terms of peace did not address the core issues of the conflicts. The Yulai Convention was signed on rotten paper and few saw fit to truly believe in its ambitions. Under the terms of Yulai, the Matari & Caldari won their status as independent nations, but for the Matari above all a terrible compromise had been reached. Fully one third of the Matari people remain in slavery. For a movement that set out to free all Matari, this was a high price, too high. The injustices that plunged the galaxy into bloody war still exist to this day, under such an atmosphere how can peace be expected to hold out forever?
Koshmarnaya Akula Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.14 17:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Shanaya Venn You know, it is interesting to see the responses your query evoked, Koshmarnaya. Promptly, everyone who would argue either in favor of war, or that conflict is inevitable, come vocally to the fore. This seems to be to be precisely the "maintain the status quo" impetus (and representative population) that Commander Baxter so eloquently described in his responses to Ms Doyle's "CONCORD: Coercisve Thugs or Bumbling Idiots?" transmission. I find it much more interesting, though, to ask you about this comment: Originally by: Koshmarnaya Akula ...A few isk here or there and it means so very little. It becomes tiresome to be honest, especially when we're at the presipice of being something more....shouldn't we be working towards something better? I agree with you that we should be working towards something better. Imagine what beneficial changes we could make happen throughout New Eden if all these bickering energies were turned instead to something that transcended mere turf wars and petty politics. So my question to you, is: what precipice, exactly, do you think we are at? What is the "something more" you envision, and why do you think this is a watershed time and place? The precipice of eternity of course is a vague term so hopefully I can do credit to your question in the following. Humanity is the dichotomy of the stars. We have faced extermination many times before with many different challenges both man made and environmental, and each time we have ruptured from beyond our fear to harness the very thing that we thought our death. But what after that unification of our intellect and compassion? Where do we always find ourselves but turning inwards upon each other as vultures to pick apart the possibilities of transcendence before it even begins. Shanaya Venn the moment that our common bloodlines find themselves faced with is this same question that has been born of our ages.. With the technology that we possess, faster then light travel, large scale weaponry, entire planets dedicated to the production of foodstuffs, we are using all of these things to fuel our human desire for conflict when we should be using these things to unite the people of the universe in harmony. Thousands of years pass with people feeling the same way and nothing is ever done for the exact reason that we read above, people acquiesce that its in our nature and as such proper. But they never work for something more. Something more divine, Just a Mad CaldariÆs two cents.
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.14 18:02:00 - [26] Enemies keep allies united, not the desire for peace. Peace, it turns out, is only a useless utopical concept. Real-life peace can only be reached if you force your opponent into a stalemate situation. "I've as many Titan ships as you". This is peace. Just my 2 phylosofical ISKs, of course. Haak-kin k'len.
Vera Nosfyu Minmatar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar Enemies keep allies united, not the desire for peace. Peace, it turns out, is only a useless utopical concept. Real-life peace can only be reached if you force your opponent into a stalemate situation. "I've as many Titan ships as you". This is peace. Just my 2 phylosofical ISKs, of course. No, that's cold war. Peace occurs when you run out of people to kill. ----------------------------------------------------------- "Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:08:00 - [28] Originally by: IzzyChan But wouldn't it be awesome if we could have wars where there would be no families crying for lost loved ones? Letting souless drones do all the fighting for wars and conflicts so we can all live peaceful and safe lifetimes? It's called "Splinterz". --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! byahahahahaha!11 Sig Pwnt - Immy
IzzyChan True Core	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari It's called "Splinterz". Hehehe. Splinterz for the win. --------------------
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Vera Nosfyu Peace occurs when you run out of people to kill. Nop, that's extinction. Cold War is just a pritty name for forceful peace. Haak-kin k'len.

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