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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Redux
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Posted - 2014.12.30 17:02:27 -
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There already is a t3 battleship, its the navpoc. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
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Posted - 2014.12.30 17:19:38 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Just because a ship can shoot everything doesn't mean it's a counter to everything. For one, it may only be able to shoot everything within a given range band. Plus, in order to be a counter to everything, it has to be able to be killed by nothing. The OP mentioned nothing about that.
since you mention range.... we can assume like current t3 for cruisers bonuses will scale up to BS. Rokh's range bonus as an example in small ship mode would apply to caldari t3 BS with hybrid sub (as tengu does based on range being a common cruiser hybrid bonus) . We can argue values later...caldari hybrid sub optimal bonus is 20% per level, 10% is the usual standard. We can also assume OP would want this in place. For one simple reason. If they wanted gimped range if hybrid sub fit on atheoretical t3 ship ....they can have this in game right now. They could run a rokh with small or medium hybrids (losing ofc optimal bonus to large in the process). Smaller bore, better tracking off the bat right there. Mix and match other racial bs' combos...no law says you have to run bonuses weapons on your ride. Something is telling me OP is not giving all these bonuses up in small ship mode. Jaded part of me is telling they want them improved on tbh.
Well, the OP didn't consider all the range and defensive options. His post should basically be considered a gestational idea about a T3 BS with its strength being able to hit small and/or fast moving targets. Frankly it's not exactly a game changer or anything ultra new. My golem with a target painter fit can hit damned near anything pretty hard. The T3 would be more flavoring. Like the golem but not requiring siege but not having the range flexibility or the integrated salvage ability etc. really sounds like he is wanting a deluxe mission/incursion boat that does what a Marauder does but differently. Could be a nice option for incursion runners really.
I like the idea. His post was too brief to cover all angles but I don't think it's wise to assume what bonuses he would or would want. Better to think of the idea as to its base concepts and help refine rather than make assumptions and doomsay and vote thumbs down.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:31:03 -
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I wonder possible prices of any t3 b.s., would it be worth to have those isk vs. efficiency. For the price of one properly fitted t3 bs we probably could bring a small gang of t1's t2's with proper fits and be anti frig and anti everything at once. |
Alia Ravenswing
DARK HAT
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:34:04 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:I wonder possible prices of any t3 b.s., would it be worth to have those isk vs. efficiency. For the price of one properly fitted t3 bs we probably could bring a small gang of t1's t2's with proper fits and be anti frig and anti everything at once.
True. But what if you don't have enough people? Or what if you want to put those extra people into another role? |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:44:58 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:I wonder possible prices of any t3 b.s., would it be worth to have those isk vs. efficiency. For the price of one properly fitted t3 bs we probably could bring a small gang of t1's t2's with proper fits and be anti frig and anti everything at once.
Yeah. That's why I think they'd be good incursion boats. Those guys like blingy battleships. A T3 would provide some options against the required faction battleships these says.
But any T3 BS would certainly be too expensive for anything other than niche PvP. I mean heck, marauders can make badass PvP ships. Ever been dropped by a gang of marauders? It's not fun. But the things are just too expensive for any normal fighting. A T3 that could provide some functions of faction BS for incursion runners and some functions of marauders for PvP would be pretty cool, and a BS that could switch between a large ship fit and a small ship fit would actually be pretty cool and do some of that. But the OP's example of using them as freighter escorts? Wouldn't happen. The things would be more expensive than what they were escorting, and while they would be powerful and cool, they'd be killable no doubt. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:47:08 -
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Battleship is a damage dealer, it is fat and slow. So it's primary role to manage incoming damage and produce outcoming damage in its turn. Why to worry about speed and agility etc. U have Macha and Phoon those are fast enough and pretty maneuverable for it's class.
So I don't understand u trying to find more solo like ship to be able manage most of the escalation due to lack of backup?
Solo days are over, or either turns to a different type. It's more of tactic and knowledge of opponent.
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