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Cardassius
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Posted - 2003.10.21 14:28:00 -
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Tell me cardassius where do you have these battles? The nature of this game and its mechanics currently dictate that battles will happen at gates, jump in locations, asteroid belts and stations.
Where do you fight your battles?
So you keep camping gates in cfs space waiting to shoot non cfs ships?
Untill CFS comes to wack your ass and you log off?
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2003.10.21 14:28:00 -
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CFS chose to start this war by putting CA members on your kos list and attacking them
You're right, what sort of maniacs would have pirates on an anti-pirate KOS list
You'd think with 40 posts worth of logs we wouldn't have to spend every post discussing how this started.
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Thumbar
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Posted - 2003.10.21 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Thumbar on 21/10/2003 14:56:25
Hey, serge was the one asking why. I was just explaining it to him. At least your not pretending you want peace like your sorry excuses for leaders.
As for cardassius are you another one of those "I know this never happened even though i have never been within 20 systems of the place it never happened and was offline at the time" dumbos?
"this is Iluyen btw" stupid boardwont let me edit the character
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.21 15:25:00 -
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I'm sorry but I can't read this subject without breaking out into giggles;
To be "prawned" at my daughter's school, is to have one's satchel and/or desk filled with large scottish crustaceans (Crevettes) often arranged in amusing theatrical poses ...
I'm still trying to think of the relevence to raider-based regional alliance warfare ...
;)
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.10.21 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Seer on 21/10/2003 15:40:59
I think I have made a great scientific discovery with profound social and milatary uses....
"CFS Anger in Forum Posts is Directly Proportional to their (denied) losses"
Seriously CFS - your bribed 16yo leader has instilled a serious culture of disinformation into the once proud CFS
You were lead into this foolhardy war by disinformation
You are fed disinformation every day
You believe the disinformation
We are tired of countering the disinformation
And ppwwwweeeeaaaassseeeee stop crying about killed indies.
T H I S I S A W A R
Do you see S4dd4m Huss3in on TV crying "they killed our supply trucks" / "the big bad warplane bombed a man armed only with a rifle" / "a portugese man travelling through bhagdad was killed OMG U SUX0r"
NO
All is fair in love and war.
Likewise guerilla hit and run attacks are the only way to defeat an army of greater numbers. So dont complain when guys run after getting their kills and suddenly faced with 10 times their number. Do you see the guerillas of columbia sticking around after killing the target to "Take on the tanks with their bare hands"?
NOOOOO
You would have to be 'CFS Stupid' to do that, and to believe such disinformation when all around are suddenyl in the market for new ships.
If ya want it to stop - surrender
Otherwise game on and take it like warriors not like tea maids.
AND CCP - WTF IS S4DDAM HUSS3iN IN THE SWEAR FILTER? LMAO
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.10.21 15:40:00 -
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Tell me cardassius where do you have these battles? The nature of this game and its mechanics currently dictate that battles will happen at gates, jump in locations, asteroid belts and stations.
Where do you fight your battles?
So you keep camping gates in cfs space waiting to shoot non cfs ships?
Untill CFS comes to wack your ass and you log off?
Well well you seem to have your version of the events in order. We went to CFS space, we roamed, we chased your guys away from the gate (killing one, possibly 2 battlships in the process). We camped the gate and shot at all hostiles. It was not until a couple of hours later we were assaulted by a larger force. I maintained fire for as long as was possible (I myself saw one megathron and one cruiser burst into flames) and then yes I did leave and log off.
Were non-cfs members shot at? This is probably true, due to the nature of the warzone. I have found that not all CFS members have 'CFS' in their corporate description. They perhaps do this to stay out of the limelight and avoid participating in the war. The fact of the matter is that this practice places real neutral non-cfs members in grave danger. What I found appalling as well is that CFS and supposedly non CFS members passing through were not warned by their colleagues that the gate was camped. This lack of communication lead to a CFS member being surprised to find his Apocolypse under attack and lost his ship.
Thats the truth. You would do well to read it. When you guys stop lying about your losses and what happened there then you might gain some credibility.
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.10.21 16:18:00 -
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Not all people know all losses, so don't accuse everyone of lying just because they don't know the fact. In fact, CA should keep it's mouth shut about lying, until they give back the 5M they got from HG by lying, until they reveal all the magical fairy CFS corps that supposedly defected to CA and joined their side, until they give back most of the 15M for that frigate that was supposed to be filled with magic elite modules, until they admit they were blatantly lying that REDC was "definitely without a question fired on first", and so on.
The majority of losses were single ships picked off by the blockade. In the actual fleet engagement, we lost a Mega and a Moa while destroying two Ravens. (shrug) Losses before that of single ships were significant, including some battleships and industrials.
At this point in the war, we have definitely taken more than 10 battleship losses. On the other hand, the more conservative of our reports show we've done at least 700M in damages to CA forces.
And they're complaining about the indy terrorism because it highlights the aggressive nature of CA. Invading FIX, to engage in piracy all day isn't a defensive war of principles--it's just further evidence that this invasion is an excuse to pirate, not "self-defense". If CA was so interested in peace, they wouldn't be in CFS space.
Edward Preble
Coalition of Free Stars
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Jelwar Kurbani
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Posted - 2003.10.21 17:29:00 -
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For a band of "pirates", they seem to be still alive and kicking.
And from what it looks like they're picking their battles.
In their position, having God know how many opposing corps bearing down on them, that's not cowardance, it's smart.
But talk is only worth its weight in gold.
Jelwar Kurbani, AP Founder
WE will be there...
The Truth At Any Cost!
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Geralt Rivia
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Posted - 2003.10.21 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Seer on 21/10/2003 15:40:59
I think I have made a great scientific discovery with profound social and milatary uses....
"CFS Anger in Forum Posts is Directly Proportional to their (denied) losses"
Seriously CFS - your bribed 16yo leader has instilled a serious culture of disinformation into the once proud CFS
You were lead into this foolhardy war by disinformation
You are fed disinformation every day
You believe the disinformation
We are tired of countering the disinformation
And ppwwwweeeeaaaassseeeee stop crying about killed indies.
T H I S I S A W A R
Do you see S4dd4m Huss3in on TV crying "they killed our supply trucks" / "the big bad warplane bombed a man armed only with a rifle" / "a portugese man travelling through bhagdad was killed OMG U SUX0r"
NO
All is fair in love and war.
Likewise guerilla hit and run attacks are the only way to defeat an army of greater numbers. So dont complain when guys run after getting their kills and suddenly faced with 10 times their number. Do you see the guerillas of columbia sticking around after killing the target to "Take on the tanks with their bare hands"?
NOOOOO
You would have to be 'CFS Stupid' to do that, and to believe such disinformation when all around are suddenyl in the market for new ships.
If ya want it to stop - surrender
Otherwise game on and take it like warriors not like tea maids.
AND CCP - WTF IS S4DDAM HUSS3iN IN THE SWEAR FILTER? LMAO
umm u have beaten already all ur enemies? at least on forums it sounds like that
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heavyg
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Posted - 2003.10.21 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Seer on 21/10/2003
You were lead into this foolhardy war by disinformation
You are fed disinformation every day
You believe the disinformation
We are tired of countering the disinformation
And ppwwwweeeeaaaassseeeee stop crying about killed indies.
T H I S I S A W A R
Do you see S4dd4m Huss3in on TV crying "they killed our supply trucks" / "the big bad warplane bombed a man armed only with a rifle" / "a portugese man travelling through bhagdad was killed OMG U SUX0r"
NO
All is fair in love and war.
Likewise guerilla hit and run attacks are the only way to defeat an army of greater numbers. So dont complain when guys run after getting their kills and suddenly faced with 10 times their number. Do you see the guerillas of columbia sticking around after killing the target to "Take on the tanks with their bare hands"?
You are quite correct in the above statement, BUT, you did hear a lot of shouting about the killing of innocent civilians and the lenthths the coalition went to to avoid them.
If you are going to make real life comparisions at least get it right pls.
Attacking CFS supplines is a valid tactic, i have no problems there, but attacking everybody combatant or not the same.
Those people in real life who attack civilians are call terrorists (see 9/11)
Please dont make excuses for you terrorist activities.
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.21 18:35:00 -
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HeavyG is correct. While CA may be at war with CFS I find it abhorant that they attack everyone they encounter. Then they claim CFS ships dont have tags. Typical piracy cloaked as "war" to try and appear justified. I read those chatlogs and they look pretty black and white to me.
Arms Merchant
CC Supporter
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Zraahd
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Zraahd on 21/10/2003 21:37:19
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Saladin stated:
Were non-cfs members shot at? This is probably true, due to the nature of the warzone. I have found that not all CFS members have 'CFS' in their corporate description. They perhaps do this to stay out of the limelight and avoid participating in the war.
I don't know if this is true or not (I am not in the CFS).
I am sure of Warp 9 not having CA member tag in their info. Look it up you will see it without the tag.
They shot at my friends badger and destroyed another indie in the name of CA. If they destroy in the name of CA in curse would they not need to be CA then also.
They also hang out with CA members that have the CA tag in their corps info. So they are not just freelance troublemakers.
CA this may be an oversight, but check yourselves before you are the pot calling the kettle black.
I know that I have seen many people in curse that are raiding CA without CFS tags. But the ones that I know of are non-aligned corps seeking revenge on the CA (or specific corps within the CA) for prior hostilities and agression.
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.10.21 23:24:00 -
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i made my way across all curse from HED to Egbinger, and didn't saw many CA ... loads of SA, FA, Few pirates (Milk and other) but only a few CA ... I even found a "small" mining op from a know foe of CA in Curse region ... no conclusion, just facts.
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PariahX
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Posted - 2003.10.21 23:58:00 -
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I personally admire the tactics of Sin. CA is not the biggest alliance and using guerilla tactics make perfect sense to me. Supply lines (ie indies) are just as important a target as battleships and are completely fair game. Large engagments are impractical and quite honestly aren't really any fun. Warping into 20 ships with drones deployed is like watching a powerpoint presentation of your last moments.
CFS are just target practice for CA, something to do on a slow day.
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.10.22 01:51:00 -
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I don't really admire the tactics one way or another. It's simply a continuation of their old career or pirating. Because of game mechanics, it's very hard for someone to force an engagement, and as a result pirates have a serious upperhand.
Edward Preble
Coalition of Free Stars
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 22/10/2003 02:14:39
Edited by: Nirvy on 22/10/2003 02:07:52
Edited by: Nirvy on 22/10/2003 02:06:40
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I don't really admire the tactics one way or another. It's simply a continuation of their old career or pirating. Because of game mechanics, it's very hard for someone to force an engagement, and as a result pirates have a serious upperhand.
Its very simple, if one of our strike teams doesnt have the numbers to tackle your battleship gate camps, we will simply go and destroy your ability to make more battleship. It seems simple enough to me.
You really didnt grasp what it meant when you declared war did you. If you expect to park your battlships at one gate, and expect us to warp in and fight you..it aint gonna happen.
You have NO RIGHT to accuse us of Piracy because CCP have very poor mechanics for combat. We both know that the side to warp into a defending force will suffer incredible lag, and will instantly be at a BIG disadvantage.
Attacking shipping IS viable, it happens in every single war, if you cant grasp that little fact, your aliance is going to die a slow death. It matters not one whit to me if you decide you need to adapt or not. This is war, and your only weapon seems to be accusing us of piracy because are tactics are outwitting you?
Its this simple, if one of our strike teams does not have the number to take on your battleship gate camps, we will simply go and destroy your ability to make more battleships. Clear enough?
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:24:00 -
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"You really didnt grasp what it meant when you declared war did you. "
Nirvy,
CA declared war in Sarkos post. CFS didnt officially declare war until our Senate approved the vote which was four days later.
Calladen 
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:27:00 -
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"I'm sorry but I can't read this subject without breaking out into giggles;
To be "prawned" at my daughter's school, is to have one's satchel and/or desk filled with large scottish crustaceans (Crevettes) often arranged in amusing theatrical poses ...
I'm still trying to think of the relevence to raider-based regional alliance warfare ...
;)"
LOL Jade
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:35:00 -
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"You really didnt grasp what it meant when you declared war did you. "
Nirvy,
CA declared war in Sarkos post. CFS didnt officially declare war until our Senate approved the vote which was four days later.
Calladen
With all respect, im tired of the who started the war, and the why we are at war threads. I was adressing his accusation that our tactics are piretical(think i made this word up ) in nature.
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Xelobain
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Posted - 2003.10.22 06:40:00 -
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Wow.. what a funny thread. I was there.. I was in both battles. Here I am looking at the forums again for the first time in months.. why the hell did I come read the Eve forum, oh thats right, to remind myself why I don't bother reading them.
Anyways, both battles were awesome. Good job to both our side and yours.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.22 07:22:00 -
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I got podded!!!
Advice to other players: do not run out of HD space while warping to a gate in a hostile region!!
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2003.10.22 08:27:00 -
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I got podded!!!
Advice to other players: do not run out of HD space while warping to a gate in a hostile region!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, now I really know you are stupid.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.10.22 09:15:00 -
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I got podded!!!
Advice to other players: do not run out of HD space while warping to a gate in a hostile region!!
I got podded as well, the hamster that keeps my computer running died of a massive heart attack. If it was not for this I would have owned all the 10 CA ships that were chasing me.
These are the breaks
" Stay Frosty "
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.22 10:47:00 -
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Well, actually Pooti CTD¦d ... we were just one system away waiting for the SINC that were hidin at a save spot to show up .. which they of course didnt do, pirates they are.
And the one from our combat group that podded Pooti acknowledged the pir to have been CTD¦d. Which didnt prevent him of poddin Pooti of course :)
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:10:00 -
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Actually a force of 3 BS and 3 cruisers entered curse chasing monks indie (and still didnt catch him I may add:) ). They did however run into CA forces who slaughtered them. Don't pretend to be innocent victims in this, CFS chose to start this war by putting CA members on your kos list and attacking them, now deal with the consequenses of your actions.
Sorry, I dont get the point? You say that [enter name of corp/alliance] BS and cruisers went into curse territory chasing the indy of a guy called monk? then these obviously damn stupid pilots got destroyed by CA forces inside CA?
Thats it? This is your "casuality" that gave you the right to attack ships in CFS controlled area? You know I¦m asking because I dont get it! I¦m a bit stupid obviously ... :(
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:27:00 -
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Yeah, those innocents that the U.S. soldiers killed because they were holding weapons and appeared to be enemies? Their families are likely calling our armed forces pirates.
You've no idea how much I would like to go back to indescriminately killing people for their hard-earned assets, but I don't because this alliance and my corporation forbid it. After this war is over, though, and I don't speak for SinC, I'll show you what pirating is.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:36:00 -
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lol, so you are saying that we can't react to an attack by CFS because it failed and you didn't cause any casualties?:) If so I fear that it may be an incurable case of stupidity.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:04:00 -
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HeavyG is correct. While CA may be at war with CFS I find it abhorant that they attack everyone they encounter.
If that is what you believe, and your principles in this matter are as strong as you say they are, I eagerly await your denouncement of SA, Evolution and friends, for doing exactly the same thing in Curse - and openly stating that they will operate in this way.
Or could it be that your ideals about how warfare should be conducted only applies to enemies of your allies?
Cheers,
TOM
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:10:00 -
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You've no idea how much I would like to go back to indescriminately killing people for their hard-earned assets, but I don't because this alliance and my corporation forbid it. After this war is over, though, and I don't speak for SinC, I'll show you what pirating is.
To Sarkos,
with much love.
-Temu
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.22 13:50:00 -
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lol, so you are saying that we can't react to an attack by CFS because it failed and you didn't cause any casualties?:) If so I fear that it may be an incurable case of stupidity.
nope illuyen, I dont :)
but at least now I know you claiming CFS beeing the bad boyzs gettin into CA space and chasing indies :)
I havent known this be4.
Now I know
Thank you for this information!
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