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Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 88	Posted - 2014.12.30 21:00:23 - [1] - Quote I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2014.12.30 21:15:49 - [2] - Quote Joia Crenca wrote: I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now? Are you.... Kidding me? *sigh Active player numbers ARE rising. Peak online population is NOT an indicator that EVE isn't growing. Besides, having lots of people online at the same time causes major traffic inconveniences.
Talon SilverHawk Ronin Cartel Just The Tip.. 721	Posted - 2014.12.30 21:25:01 - [3] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Joia Crenca wrote: I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now? Are you.... Kidding me? *sigh Active player numbers ARE rising. Peak online population is NOT an indicator that EVE isn't growing. Besides, having lots of people online at the same time causes major traffic inconveniences. Yeah because less ppl logged in concurrently is a sign of growth less ppl is better as well CCP must be happy then Tal
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 1898	Posted - 2014.12.30 23:01:32 - [4] - Quote Talon SilverHawk wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Joia Crenca wrote: I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now? Are you.... Kidding me? *sigh Active player numbers ARE rising. Peak online population is NOT an indicator that EVE isn't growing. Besides, having lots of people online at the same time causes major traffic inconveniences. Yeah because less ppl logged in concurrently is a sign of growth less ppl is better as well CCP must be happy then Tal peak time =/= accurate representation
FunGu Arsten Fungu .Inc 61	Posted - 2014.12.30 23:12:52 - [5] - Quote inside info >> more active accounts and less online accounts is the best thing for ccp << how well eve is doing on players online, without knowing the unique IPs logged in on the sserver... well without that you aren't going to get much of an idea - this is "alt online" my friend
Badel Jramodarr 452	Posted - 2014.12.30 23:13:05 - [6] - Quote You might want to take into account different timezones I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all ...I'm on a horse
DaReaper Net 7 1612	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:04:36 - [7] - Quote Talon SilverHawk wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Joia Crenca wrote: I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now? Are you.... Kidding me? *sigh Active player numbers ARE rising. Peak online population is NOT an indicator that EVE isn't growing. Besides, having lots of people online at the same time causes major traffic inconveniences. Yeah because less ppl logged in concurrently is a sign of growth less ppl is better as well CCP must be happy then Tal Yes.. it can be a sign of growth, with things like the skill queue, players can set long skills and go do other stuff and still pay for there account. When my son was born I took a year off of eve, I paid for my three accounts that full year and just kept them training. PCU != Subscriber numbers, nor can you get any real data on subscriber numbers from it. All it says is who has logged in at what time. you could have 100k accounts just training, that don't log in for months, yet they are still there, giving ccp money. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Mashie Saldana Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno. 1499	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:15:02 - [8] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Talon SilverHawk wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Joia Crenca wrote: I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now? Are you.... Kidding me? *sigh Active player numbers ARE rising. Peak online population is NOT an indicator that EVE isn't growing. Besides, having lots of people online at the same time causes major traffic inconveniences. Yeah because less ppl logged in concurrently is a sign of growth less ppl is better as well CCP must be happy then Tal Yes.. it can be a sign of growth, with things like the skill queue, players can set long skills and go do other stuff and still pay for there account. When my son was born I took a year off of eve, I paid for my three accounts that full year and just kept them training. PCU != Subscriber numbers, nor can you get any real data on subscriber numbers from it. All it says is who has logged in at what time. you could have 100k accounts just training, that don't log in for months, yet they are still there, giving ccp money. Well, we just don't know. It's all just speculations. It could be either way. Unless CCP releases some stats, which is unlikely to happen, we'll never know. I'd leave it at that. How to win EVE Shiny eveboard
Memphis Baas 42	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:25:42 - [9] - Quote Stats which I'm sure most of the veterans know about. While the concurrent users number isn't a true indication of the total playerbase number, the trends (up and down) are somewhat obvious in the past year and all time graphs.
Mashie Saldana Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno. 1499	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:35:32 - [10] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Stats which I'm sure most of the veterans know about. While the concurrent users number isn't a true indication of the total playerbase number, the trends (up and down) are somewhat obvious in the past year and all time graphs. Well, a lot of people ditched their alts. Me for instance, I ditched my archon alt because moving stuff with it was too damn irritating after the jump drive nerf. And no, you don't know anything for sure since eve offline just shows the number of accounts, not the number of active players. How to win EVE Shiny eveboard

DaReaper Net 7 1612	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:41:26 - [11] - Quote is 70k possible? sure, we peaked at I think 63k one time, so 70k is possible. As for stats, there are a few ways that you can figure out how many accounts are paying, though its a bit harder now with dust, some math working off the 6month financials showed a drop of something like 29k accounts. (ccp was down around $200k IIRC) The issue there is dust numbers, as we dunno what % of rev is form dust. You could also get more data in the form of the CSM election and get a rough guestimate on the ammounts as well. But again, dust skews the numbers. If say CCP said you had an 8% vote, then you can mess with at figure and the finances to get a rough idea. The last 'unoffical' count was 500k, before fan fest 2014 and that included dust. So its hard to tell. If you REALLY wanted to some math, you could use staticics to take the last number we had offially, see how many players peaked online during that year, figure out a % and in theory if that holds true always, then you could use the % and the current peak and again get a rough estimate. Then use the financals to see if that supports... looks like I just found me a project to do tonight.. sigh lol OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
DaReaper Net 7 1612	Posted - 2014.12.31 00:42:38 - [12] - Quote Mashie Saldana wrote: Memphis Baas wrote: Stats which I'm sure most of the veterans know about. While the concurrent users number isn't a true indication of the total playerbase number, the trends (up and down) are somewhat obvious in the past year and all time graphs. Well, a lot of people ditched their alts. Me for instance, I ditched my archon alt because moving stuff with it was too damn irritating after the jump drive nerf. And no, you don't know anything for sure since eve offline just shows the number of accounts, not the number of active players. flip that, it shows active online now not total account numbers OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Dornlin Labiani Hedion University Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.12.31 01:16:19 - [13] - Quote Boy I sure might be mistaken- but I seem to remember seeing a peak of about 100k at one time in 08, maybe 07? A dev would know. But I'm pretty certain about it.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 361	Posted - 2014.12.31 01:18:30 - [14] - Quote Dornlin Labiani wrote: Boy I sure might be mistaken- but I seem to remember seeing a peak of about 100k at one time in 08, maybe 07? A dev would know. But I'm pretty certain about it. You are mistaken: very mistaken
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7806	Posted - 2014.12.31 01:21:37 - [15] - Quote Dornlin Labiani wrote: Boy I sure might be mistaken. Got it in one, Mr. Garibaldi. Highest ever was just over 65K in 2013 http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/06/eve-online-smashes-pcu-record-during-anniversary-celebrations/ Or, you could have just looked at the graphs on eve-offline. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Mashie Saldana Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno. 1499	Posted - 2014.12.31 01:26:18 - [16] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Mashie Saldana wrote: Memphis Baas wrote: Stats which I'm sure most of the veterans know about. While the concurrent users number isn't a true indication of the total playerbase number, the trends (up and down) are somewhat obvious in the past year and all time graphs. Well, a lot of people ditched their alts. Me for instance, I ditched my archon alt because moving stuff with it was too damn irritating after the jump drive nerf. And no, you don't know anything for sure since eve offline just shows the number of accounts, not the number of active players. flip that, it shows active online now not total account numbers Yeah I meant the active accounts :) The total number is much higher of course.. How to win EVE Shiny eveboard
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 689	Posted - 2014.12.31 02:44:30 - [17] - Quote Do you guys really want more players in EVE? Okay. I warn you; it takes a little effort: You make a basic advert. You print it out. Then you put it in windows of local stores, preferably the comic store or a second hand games store. Mention how to download EVE. Put little pull off tabs with the name of your character on it. When someone contacts you from the advert, you help them. Figure out their style of play. If you got 10 care bears and you are an e-peen ganker tough! Put that effort in and teach them how to do their thing safely. Throw some ISK at them Show them how to fit their ships. Make sure they join a good suitable alliance that will support them. Extra mile is you get them to e-mail you, recommend the game to them, then give them PLEX number 1 so they can have 51 free days. Bonus: You might make some real friends who share your interest, live near you and are not the usual sort of people you would talk to so you could broaden your horizons. CSM Ten movement for change. EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Grauth Thorner Vicious Trading Company 368	Posted - 2014.12.31 11:13:28 - [18] - Quote Joia Crenca wrote: I haven't been seeing a rise in online play, but CCP has been making changes here and there (such as removing the clone level and sp loss) that make life nicer. So I'd think we'll probably retain more folks over time, but still, I'd like to see more people playing. Perhaps more adverts in different places that they're shown now? The accounts online will drop the next few days, but yeah like others said the amount of unique players is probably growing. Create your own in-game shiplabels: >EVE Custom Ship Labeler application forum thread >iciclesoft.com
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12274	Posted - 2014.12.31 11:57:21 - [19] - Quote What matters not is a higher peak number, because that's only a really small timeframe each day. If there were more people playing during timeframes of lower activity, it would be far better, because that means more activity spread out over the day. Daily peak number might still be the same, yet population increased. I know... hard to grasp ... for some at least. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12279	Posted - 2014.12.31 12:29:08 - [20] - Quote DaReaper wrote: looks like I just found me a project to do tonight.. sigh lol Hey hey, not so fast there fella!!! Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!

Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 52925	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:15:33 - [21] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Do you guys really want more players in EVE? Okay. I warn you; it takes a little effort: You make a basic advert. You print it out. Then you put it in windows of local stores, preferably the comic store or a second hand games store. Mention how to download EVE. Put little pull off tabs with the name of your character on it. When someone contacts you from the advert, you help them. Figure out their style of play. If you got 10 care bears and you are an e-peen ganker tough! Put that effort in and teach them how to do their thing safely. Throw some ISK at them Show them how to fit their ships. Make sure they join a good suitable alliance that will support them. Extra mile is you get them to e-mail you, recommend the game to them, then give them PLEX number 1 so they can have 51 free days. Bonus: You might make some real friends who share your interest, live near you and are not the usual sort of people you would talk to so you could broaden your horizons. Whoa... That...that was easily the most depressing post of 2014. But if you really want to pull that through, I have created a template for everyone, only fill in your character's name and follow Jen's instructions.. http://i.imgur.com/cn4DVTq.jpg You're welcome. and happy New Year to everybody! I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12291	Posted - 2014.12.31 17:52:27 - [22] - Quote Zeta ... tbh ... I think she's right and yours is far more depressing. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Lee Sin Priest Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.12.31 18:53:48 - [23] - Quote On the flip side of this coin Anyone like to venture a guess as to how many accounts will be unsubbed (have been unsubbed) since the input duplication change? X Isboxers, Y accounts over Z time = ? So far theres the confirmation of (when I say confirmation, I refer to people on forums saying they have cancelled "dismany" accounts) at least 500 accounts....
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 2	Posted - 2014.12.31 19:24:03 - [24] - Quote Lee Sin Priest wrote: On the flip side of this coin Anyone like to venture a guess as to how many accounts will be unsubbed (have been unsubbed) since the input duplication change? X Isboxers, Y accounts over Z time = ? So far theres the confirmation of (when I say confirmation, I refer to people on forums saying they have cancelled "dismany" accounts) at least 500 accounts.... There is far more than that. There is the incursion guy from the place LG's are made that is dropping his 200 accounts. The people on the forums who claim they are (Maybe half will) and then you have the interesting problem of the oversaturated Alt market. See if you sell off your 60x capital toons like someone is right now because of the change, you aren't really directly dropping the number of accounts in the game. However all characters have to go to an account. So the math looks like this. Both players staying, character sold = +1 Newb account, 0 change old account = +1 Player ISBox rage quits and sells character = +1 Newb, -1 Ragequiter = 0 The newb was coming into the game anyways, so you have a net change of 0 with all these fire sales, unless they go to a 2nd or 3rd slot on the new account. The problem is newbs don't stay, we can see the graphs on that plain as day. Also people quit all the time, so we need +1's and not 0 change transactions. My guess is that 1% of all active accounts will be lost because of this change. And that number was probably acceptable to CCP. To OP, will we ever see 70k? No, I don't think so. I think Eve is done growing and the best we were ever going to have was the 2012/2013 year.
Velarra 338	Posted - 2014.12.31 20:10:26 - [25] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: To OP, will we ever see 70k? No, I don't think so. I think Eve is done growing and the best we were ever going to have was the 2012/2013 year. Very optimistically there is the possibility we're currently playing Eve 2, beta release. You might suspect that current feedback to various beta projects like the new map, drastic (all be it mostly pleasant) UI changes and various efforts on SiSi of late are both part of a new development and release flow as well as Eve 2's open beta project. To be blindingly cheery (feel free to insinuate i should cut back on booster use), one might suspect in a couple years we'll be in a much better place than we are now, playing a wholly new Version of Eve. Oh, it'll still be tranquility with our characters and assets, the fundamentals of Eve as we know them will be mostly still here. But it'll just as equally be drastically improved and changed. With all of this current effort and the new face of Eve to come, it may draw in a new generation of players who wish to participate in the New Eden experience as a whole. From there, real growth in population. New records and explosions in space. Oh, and a darn good reason to have stuck around through the thick n' thin of our player experiences past and present due to :CCP: (Or i should consider cutting back on the synth stuff too)
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5583	Posted - 2015.01.01 05:54:15 - [26] - Quote Velarra wrote: With all of this current effort and the new face of Eve to come, it may draw in a new generation of players who wish to participate in the New Eden experience as a whole. From there, real growth in population. New records and explosions in space. Oh, and a darn good reason to have stuck around through the thick n' thin of our player experiences past and present due to :CCP: (Or i should consider cutting back on the synth stuff too) There's a little hole in your theory. Regardless of how many bells and whistles they put in EvE, it's still a "2003 hard core gamer mindset" MMO. Yes, they are watering down mechanics to make EvE dumber and shallower (sadly imo) but it's still not the prototype of the 1M subs game. To get substantially or even visibly higher subs CCP would have to take a risky bet: basically lose a lot of their elder playerbase and transform EvE into some shallow but shiny, simpleton oriented piece of crap (console compatible of course!). This is what the "new gen" of gamers want, this is what gets you the millions. Of course this kind of playerbase is fickle and shall drop your product for the next dumby dumb shiny game, but hey, just become another Electronic Arts and create shiny garbage throwaway game after garbage throwaway game. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 697	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:31:14 - [27] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Velarra wrote: With all of this current effort and the new face of Eve to come, it may draw in a new generation of players who wish to participate in the New Eden experience as a whole. From there, real growth in population. New records and explosions in space. Oh, and a darn good reason to have stuck around through the thick n' thin of our player experiences past and present due to :CCP: Yes, they are watering down mechanics to make EvE dumber and shallower (sadly imo) . For now they are plucking the golden goose - would not both the current, maybe cranked up a bit for more difficulty and another spehal server, be best? CSM Ten movement for change. EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jurico Elemenohpe 14th Legion The Bloc 64	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:00:57 - [28] - Quote 65k is current record. The servers could probably deal with 70k, but there aren't enough people to do so.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 697	Posted - 2015.01.01 14:44:03 - [29] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: But if you really want to pull that through, I have created a template for everyone, only fill in your character's name and follow Jen's instructions.. http://i.imgur.com/cn4DVTq.jpg You're welcome. and happy New Year to everybody! Actually, I might use that. Be interesting to see who contacts me. Maybe some kind hearted players, maybe some wanting to rub it in and call me a loser or maybe some that would see the humour in it. CSM Ten movement for change. EVE - the only MMO that not so subtly serves up victims. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Sky Marshal Core Industry. Circle-Of-Two 16	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:23:02 - [30] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Do you guys really want more players in EVE? Okay. I warn you; it takes a little effort: blablabla There was a time that CCP published proudly the number of subscribed accounts in the Tranquillity server, mostly inside the Quartery Economic Newsletter. One day, they decided to give a general number who include the China server, but by doing so they hide the specific numbers, and since then, nothing, no new numbers. It is obvious that they decide to hide it because the game is losing subscriptions, as there wouldn't be any interest it it was good numbers... Still, the best way to have more players in EVE would be that we, the actual players, recommend the game to friends and others when possible. Unfortunately, I do the contrary because CCP acts like contemporary artists and break more features with time, so I don't see why I should recommend this game unless I want to share my frustration to everyone I know or become a sort of customer support because I was the one who make them subscribe. I will recommend it only when CCP will change his way of doing things. And it seems that it will be not for this new year



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