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xPhyrax
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.31 17:41:11 -
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Ok, so I've been in a shattered system for about a week now, and it's REALLY quiet, which is odd because it has a HS static. Which begs the question, could one live out of a shattered system? Solo?! ( with scanner alt of course, so not 'technically solo' )
Now I know the limitations with the standard shattered systems ( which I'm in ), I'm aware larger ships can come in, raid, and leave, a pos isn't possible due to the 'no moons' aspect but I figure here's how something like this would go down!
- Get a cloaky scanner alt inside the WH, bookmark everything ( corp bookmarks ).
- ( optional ) Bring a few giant freight containers, maybe a depot for the important stuff ( since it will go into reinforcement mode )
( I realize a few of you are going, "WTF do you need freight containers for" well I like to store junk, so yea, and if they get blown up, no big deal, same goes for the depot )
- Run sites, use the HS exit to drop off loot.
- Once a week, collect loot in an indy, and sell it at the closest trade center.
- Depending on the income, maybe pay RFF ( Red Frog Freight ) to ship all of it to a central station.
Judging by what I've seen in this system the past week, it's insanely quiet here, only seen a few ships in and out and they were mainly BCs with a few ventures here and there day tripping the gas sites.
This system seems to be on a cycle of gas sites every few days, then data/relic sites... http://i.imgur.com/hUsVQtv.jpg |

HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
128
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Posted - 2014.12.31 18:00:07 -
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I'll now be putting alts in J001890 and waiting, cloaked, for you to run sites.
Happy New Year! |

xPhyrax
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.12.31 18:12:58 -
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The amount of money I make in null doing data/relic would offset any, if not all, losses I will incur in this system, so feel free. This is EvE after-all, I'll just take pride in the fact that you consider me such a threat that you must pay extra each month ( be it actual cash, or in game time ) just to bring 'alts' to camp me. Judging by your kill-board, I don't have much to worry about aside from any structures, and those are disposable anyhow. I'll be waiting!
On a side note, try providing some actual conversation outside of bantering and empty threats. This thread was posted to spark conversation about the idea of living in a shattered system solo. Losing ships and getting killed in WH's are a part of EvE life and are already understood and therefore unnecessary to bring up in this conversation/thread. |

CivilWars
Rolled Out Black Legion.
217
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Posted - 2014.12.31 19:10:09 -
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I put an alt in a shattered hole for about a week before I decided to use it for other things. Why not just do one pilot in a tengu or stratios to run the relic sites, and a second in a cloaky hauler? No need for containers.
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xPhyrax
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.12.31 19:24:48 -
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I really didn't think about using my alt as a cloaky hauler, great idea.
As for the fighter pilot, I can't really run a tengu, Proteus is my only option atm, and with the price tag it carries, I'd rather not risk that. This C2 can be solo'd by a well fitted drake I believe, and the cost effectiveness is more adequate as well.
Though now that I think about it, I'd have to have the depot ( in cargo at minimum ) to refit the drake for data/relic I believe.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
884
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Posted - 2014.12.31 22:55:26 -
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xPhyrax wrote:On a side note, try providing some actual conversation outside of bantering and empty threats. This thread was posted to spark conversation about the idea of living in a shattered system solo. Losing ships and getting killed in WH's are a part of EvE life and are already understood and therefore unnecessary to bring up in this conversation/thread.
lmfao do you realise where you are or did you take a wrong turn on your way to GD?
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
164
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Posted - 2015.01.01 00:53:34 -
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xPhyrax wrote:As for the fighter pilot, I can't really run a tengu, Proteus is my only option atm, and with the price tag it carries, I'd rather not risk that. This C2 can be solo'd by a well fitted drake I believe, and the cost effectiveness is more adequate as well.
Though now that I think about it, I'd have to have the depot ( in cargo at minimum ) to refit the drake for data/relic I believe.
I'd recommend a buffer (buffer, not passive regen) fit Gila. It gets MUCH more applied DPS than any of Proteus, Drake or Tengu and the tank is so beefy you won't need to worry much about triggers in a c2. Gila is also in a rather sweet spot as far as price is concerned, since the price is considerably lower than a t3 cruiser and even though it is significantly more than the price of a BC, the advantages are significant enough to justify it.
Also, you ALWAYS want to have depots in cargo for reserve probes, cloak, warp core stabilizers, extra damage mods, extra tank mods and whatever else you suspect you might need for some corner case. A buffer Gila could even survive in PvP if you fit an MWD instead of the AB and a Warp Disruptor instead of an invul. on it from a depot. |

Freddie Merrcury
Jaded. The Natural Order
131
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Posted - 2015.01.01 01:29:12 -
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my favorite part of this thread is the part where someone made jester look like an ******* by posting relevant discussion right below him
I been kicked out of better homes than this.
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xPhyrax
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.01.01 02:08:28 -
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I'm looking at the drake as more of a 'throw-away' ship, meaning if I get blown up, I really won't care, the cost is so low enough more than likely by the time i'm actually lazy enough to stop watching d-scan, or in some cases watching netflix on one monitor while my alt and main are on the other two, I've already made the ~70m to make up for it.
I REALLY love the Gila, it's stats are really nice, i've used it a few times to quickly clear HS 4/10s, but the average cost is just too high at this point, and knowing that I've never 'lived' in a wormhole, it seems quite futile to spend so much only to more than likely screw up and go boom.
My null-sec exploration nets me about 500m a week ( 2 hrs a day, 2-3 days a week ) which can in-turn fund roughly 4-5 drakes, 7 if the market sucks, fully fit. Though, at this point I'm not sure how much I can make in the WH either. But at minimum, 4 drakes a week SHOULD be enough to fit the amount of time I can play, depending how derpy I am.
I'm looking to run something like this, feel free to rant how crappy the fit is, I won't mind.
Quote: [Drake, Wh Drake build (solo)] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 10MN Afterburner I Partial Weapon Navigation
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Nosferatu I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
Current skills gives me about 384 dps and 2249 volley, got a burner on it to get that transversal up if I have to, as well as outrun someone is possible ( probably not ), as well as mitigate scrams. Got a NOS on there to mitigate the neuts, which are inevitable. Really wanted a T2 painter, so I went for the next best, according to EFT ( not in-game atm so couldn't really verify and i'm sleepy )
I KINDA want to have a depo to refit the drake for pure salvage ( yea I went there ) to clean up the site after it's done. Hell, I might even bring an MTU to do the cleanup while I fly, depending if it's a lazy day or not. For safety and cost-effectiveness I'd keep depo on the cloaky hauler of course :)
Love that idea btw... |

Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
885
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Posted - 2015.01.01 05:00:25 -
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Freddie Merrcury wrote:my favorite part of this thread is the part where someone made jester look like an ******* by posting relevant discussion right below him
I aim to please I just call out when necessary.
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
26
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Posted - 2015.01.01 14:06:23 -
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this is one of those topics that keeps coming back. shattered should change how to approach it tho. this was my post a long time ago. might have some help.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2731644#post2731644 |

xPhyrax
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.01.01 16:52:26 -
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I did a good bit of researching on the WH nomadic lifestyle super late last night, and like that thread, a lot of people talk of using the Orca. I really forgot you can carry ships etc in that big whale of a ship, and while the idea of being able to bring multiple ships along sounds great, the cost isn't with me at the moment.
I think for now I'm going to go with the cloaky hauler idea, I have an alt that can fly one, even an orca or fenrir. We'll see how this works out. |

Quanah Comanche
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:03:45 -
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Orca works well. Was a long blog by a fellow who did it for months. I will look.
In the meantime: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101419 |

Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
845
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Posted - 2015.01.03 20:16:00 -
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On a side note, I approve your intention to make a cleanup in at least a single shattered system. Since people don't live in those, they tend to become really cluttered with sigs and are pain to scan - unless you want any site there is. |

Orlacc
707
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Posted - 2015.01.03 21:38:51 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:On a side note, I approve your intention to make a cleanup in at least a single shattered system. Since people don't live in those, they tend to become really cluttered with sigs and are pain to scan - unless you want any site there is.
Yes please get all these Gas sigs outta here!
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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xPhyrax
Shattered Nomads
17
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:04:15 -
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Update on progress:
I've successfully got my cloaky hauler in the wormhole, brought along some re-fits for the drake for scanning and cloaking if I want to afk, as well as some other stuffs.
Day 1: I LIVE.... and come to the realization that my Drake skills SUCK
Using this fit:
[Drake, Wh Drake build (solo)] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Nosferatu I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
I warped into a small sleeper anom, roughly 4 frigs, 3 cruisers, 2-3 batteries... and let me tell you, those cruisers hurt... Lasted maybe 10m before I had to warp out to let the shield recharge.
Everywhere I've read I see that you need to tank at least 4-500 omni dps for sleepers in C2s, but for the life of me, i can't get any BC ( reasonably priced ) to tank that in EFT. So, guess I'm going to fiddle with EFT while i'm out of state to see what I can come up with. |

Orlacc
708
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:26:06 -
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Cant fit Large Regoliths?
I used a fit similar to this but it has been a long while and not sure if it is still viable:
[Drake] Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Niskin
League of the Lost
220
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:35:57 -
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You shouldn't need that high of a tank for a C2 site. My Drake has a similar fit and only has tank issues with some of the battleships in those anoms. If you flip one SPR II for a DC II and one Invuln II for a Target Painter that's the fit I have been using. I've altered it a bit since then, changing the SPR II to a PDS II and the AB II to a Micro Jump Drive, but haven't tested the tank since then. My skills for that ship and fit are pretty good though, so that might make a difference.
With a full rack of Heavy Missiles, using T1 ammo and a Target Painter, stuff dies pretty quick. Only the battleships take any real time to kill.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
895
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Posted - 2015.01.09 18:50:20 -
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meta MSE my ******* face. Get rid of the nos it does nothing for you
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Paul Vashar
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
20
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Posted - 2015.01.09 19:11:36 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:meta MSE my ******* face. Get rid of the nos it does nothing for you My Meta Face when Jester is here: http://i.imgur.com/hKCiv12.gif |

Marsan
250
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Posted - 2015.01.10 00:00:09 -
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I've done this with an Orca in trash C3 (bad statics) and C4s last year. It's nice but it really requires dual boxing it. Also an Orca is easily scanned down so you need to limit the time it is uncloaked, and dscan for probes. I finally started bring a small tower as it made things safer for refitting and what not, because if you have a free roaming Orca sooner or later someone will start camping you. I deployed the tower when I come into a system, log out in a safe, never had more than a few hours of fuel, and when I needed the Orca I pulled some fuel out of a container in a safe spot, fueled the tower, and logged and warped the Orca in. Passers by just small yet another abandon worthless tower.
All and all I recommend just bringing some secure containers with ammo or an alt with and Indy plus you'll want repair paste, and drones. Loot in wspace is very small so you don't need too much. It's only if you start mining rocks or gas that you need a lot of space. While it's nice to have an alt with a depot and a pair of hull and armor repair modules you could use lasers and armor tanking to reduce the need to have a hauler alt. Just be sure to put your loot in a container in an oddball safe while running sites.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
895
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Posted - 2015.01.10 00:32:06 -
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Paul Vashar wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:meta MSE my ******* face. Get rid of the nos it does nothing for you My Meta Face when Jester is here: http://i.imgur.com/hKCiv12.gif
not enough fun threads to post in :<
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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xPhyrax
Shattered Nomads
17
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Posted - 2015.01.10 04:11:35 -
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@Niskin: I can actually fit large extenders T2, I must've overlooked them and just went with mediums. I'll plug your fit into EFT now that i'm the hotel and can sit down abit and see what I get for tank.
@Marsan: Yea I thought about doing an orca for the benefit of being able to swap ships, and honestly, the logistics involved in going out of the WH just to grab say a venture is quite annoying. I also dual box, have my drake ( main ) either cloak up, or spam d-scan while my alt ( cloak hauler ) watches the HS hole. Having 3 monitors is a really good reason to dual box :)
So is 4-500 omni tank something that shouldn't be required to run C2 sleepers? Here's what I do, I warp in, target, and align safe in the drake. Then commence to blow up anything within range. Should I be speed tanking instead? Range? etc... I'm willing to take any/all advice at this point haha, aside from "Run a HAM Tengu" .... or "Buy this 1 bil isk ship" lol, everyone has to start somewhere. |

Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
30078
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Posted - 2015.01.10 09:39:16 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Paul Vashar wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:meta MSE my ******* face. Get rid of the nos it does nothing for you My Meta Face when Jester is here: http://i.imgur.com/hKCiv12.gif not enough fun threads to post in :< Make one then!
What could possibly go wrong?
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
102
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Posted - 2015.01.10 16:38:10 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Paul Vashar wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:meta MSE my ******* face. Get rid of the nos it does nothing for you My Meta Face when Jester is here: http://i.imgur.com/hKCiv12.gif not enough fun threads to post in :< Make one then! What could possibly go wrong? This could go places!
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Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
118
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Posted - 2015.01.12 06:55:49 -
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xPhyrax wrote:@Niskin: So is 4-500 omni tank something that shouldn't be required to run C2 sleepers? Here's what I do, I warp in, target, and align safe in the drake. Then commence to blow up anything within range. Should I be speed tanking instead? Range? etc... I'm willing to take any/all advice at this point haha, aside from "Run a HAM Tengu" .... or "Buy this 1 bil isk ship" lol, everyone has to start somewhere.
Pretty sure that around 300 should be enough depending on how fast you kill stuff. 500-600 is enough to handle most C3 sites and they are way harder than C2.
If you are on a budget but wanted a better ship you could also try a Cerb or Nighthawk. Both should be able to passive tank a C2 with no issues and cost a lot less than a T3 but are more effective than a Drake. (I have used a 100mn HAM Nighthawk in C3s for Lol and it works for most sites)
Edit.
As far as the Nomadic life style goes, sticking to 1 system might not work for long. When you start you will have loads of sites but after a couple of days you will have run most of them and then its down to the respawn rate which is often only 3-4 sites per day. |

Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
43
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Posted - 2015.01.12 10:19:10 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:As far as the Nomadic life style goes, sticking to 1 system might not work for long.
If you stick to a single system you aren't a nomad by my definition. |

Niskin
League of the Lost
220
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Posted - 2015.01.12 14:28:02 -
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With my setup, the version with the SPR II, you should be fine in any C2 combat anomaly. The data/relic sites are another story, I would expect to have to warp out once or twice to regen shield on those. There was one C2 anomaly where I found it beneficial to warp out and regen shields. It wasn't definite that they would break my tank, but I was getting low and I wanted more buffer in case of surprise PvP.
It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog
Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
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Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
267
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:50:44 -
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xPhyrax wrote:, The amount of money I make in null doing data/relic would offset any, if not all, losses I will incur in this system,
Proteus is my only option atm, and with the price tag it carries, I'd rather not risk that.
the cost isn't with me at the moment.
I'm getting mixed messages here 
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xPhyrax
Shattered Nomads
19
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:08:30 -
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@Iyokus: Let me clarify, I can cover approximately a 2-400, maybe 500 mil loss with a week or so in null doing data/relics in my inty. Which would net me 2-4, maybe 5, drakes! Now, I'm pretty sure prot's cost abit more :)
As for the tank, I'm in the process of scanning this hole for an exit to go re-fit this drake. The tank in the first thread nets me about 570 ehp/s according to EFT, which is GREAT compared to my measly 140 I was running with. I will definitely start out with that and tone it down over time, and the more comfortable I become flying the damn thing. I'm still 'technically' new to shield tanked ships, even though I have the skills, I still fly armor. I just like the ability to fire and forget :)
I'm REALLY contemplating bringing my alt's orca instead of the prowler I'm in now. I REALLY like the idea of being able to just change ships in space. Might even fit it with some shield harmonizing modules or somethin' but the first thing on my list now that I'm back in the state is to refit this damn drake and do something with it.
About re-spawn times; I wasn't really aware of that fact, you have a good point, but I also always have a c2 or null exit at some point, so I can go rat elsewhere should this system become drained. |
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