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WildCard Gallente SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.09.14 08:04:00 - [1] First plz, donÆt cry here the whole day. ItÆs right STV was at XZH as STV, as G as D2 for about 2 + years. Ok After G disbanded we joind D2. Then leadership changed within D2 and it wasnÆt our game play anymore., cuz we donÆt want to play SimCity. Anyway. Ok, sov dropped by accident in XZH and goons appear. D2 was more or less forced by the forums to defend CR, what they realy did well with a ***load of pos. Well after that, and why some of their leaders like me that much, they gave CR to rise. And RISE has had no clue what they have got. So far so good. Within the first weeks we didnÆt plan to attack rise. Cuz we have had a friendly relationship to the old NORAD members over years. (I was the one within G which always order to help NORD in case they was in trouble, ok ok possible the main reason was that we have had someone to shoot.). Then I got more and more harsh words from RISE guys; mostly the german parts. And if such things happen I always hear that ugly voices in my head... I ordered out all Y from STV for a week to have a clean start. We announced then our plans in the forums and several times in XZH local. So you was able to set up your first bubble camp at XZH. Well may be you see me as backstabber û anyway, now it is as it is. -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- --- G4Ever*--
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.14 08:07:00 - [2] Shoot them all
Khu Marx Final Crusade Enterprises R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.14 08:19:00 - [3] Outbreak simply seems to be enjoying themselves. I don't think anyone blames them for that even though they might not like it. I can even understand YouWhat having ambitions. Don't we all? It is just that I have difficulty seeing Outbreak leave when you, What, have stretched yourselves out over a large amount of space. They keep stating they're happy to shoot anyone. I mean, to shoot. And though you might not break, you might bend ... for ... never mind that.
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.14 08:53:00 - [4] 0utbreak has no desire and never wil have any to hold space, we are a mobile corp. when we plan a new op and go to regions, our set of rules are clear, shoot everyone, if by chance we run into someone with a common goal we extend a "temporary" NAP and work with them "and only" themm . if they fail to meet our standards of efficiency the NAP will be abruptly broken and we go back to shooty shooty everyone. so far we haven't had to break any "temporary" NAP's, when we give our word, we tend to honour it. now about those rise guys that ganked me earlier, you FA.. err burn
Khu Marx Final Crusade Enterprises R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.14 08:59:00 - [5] Naturally. Outbreak comes across as a well motivated corporation with a clear cut goal. Destruction. I, personally, cannot help but be curious however about a point you neatly evade. You have your eyes set on a specific region, find someone else who wants the region and have a mutual (or not mutual) beneficient arrangement with them. But what exactly does Outbreak do when said region indeed changes ownership to the group you have a NAP with? Promptly cut NAP and form NAP with your previous enemy so the fun can continue? As for being ganked: come come. You love that. Resistance is good! I would surely be upset if my enemies didn't shoot me because they considered me not worth the ammo. Rejoice! You died!
Earthan Gallente GREY COUNCIL R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:03:00 - [6] Quote: Then I got more and more harsh words from RISE guys; mostly the german parts Imho Card you should have mailed this to our diplomats, if it was a problem.All this time our diplomats talked to you and the talks were really friendly. We were able to setup bubble camp cause we have scouts lol - Grey Council military officer,Rise Wing Commander. Grey Council webpage
Willis Drummond Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:09:00 - [7] I'm just glad people are shooting at each other again, this forum got boring when the goons got run out of town. Awesome Post# 83188
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Khu Marx Naturally. Outbreak comes across as a well motivated corporation with a clear cut goal. Destruction. I, personally, cannot help but be curious however about a point you neatly evade. You have your eyes set on a specific region, find someone else who wants the region and have a mutual (or not mutual) beneficient arrangement with them. But what exactly does Outbreak do when said region indeed changes ownership to the group you have a NAP with? Promptly cut NAP and form NAP with your previous enemy so the fun can continue? As for being ganked: come come. You love that. Resistance is good! I would surely be upset if my enemies didn't shoot me because they considered me not worth the ammo. Rejoice! You died! Evade ?.. point ?.. you're missing the point here, only reason Rise is targeted by us now is due to certain comments Innerdrive made towards members in our corp, although this isn't the absolute reason, after we ended the fountain campaign it did make it easier for us to choose our next campaign, us being here has nothing to do with The Rings. As for the region, when we feel our goal is met against Rise, we will leave the regions it controls, who will hold it when we decide to leave has no effect on our decision to leave, and go looking for some more "willing" opponents. when we leave a region all NAP's associated the campaign is set back to neutral, t's very simple. we had our chance to consider extending a NAP towards Rise during the Fountain campaign, Rise was recommended by a 3rd party but without going into too much details as i am not very up to date on them, InnerdriveÆs Pwnage Diplomatic Skills sealed your destiny. and so on..
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:40:00 - [9] Good luck wildcard and STV, anyone who has any involvement in that area of space will know that STV/YouWhat are honourable fighters, and I wish you luck with your clensing
Shalimar Fox 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:59:00 - [10] Innerdrive's comment's remind's me of the incretable diplomatic skill's that OrcA has showed a while back in the south Originally by: "Bor'rak" It amazes me how some people can put two and two together and come up with five! And then post it
Milkminer Independent Frontiers	Posted - 2006.09.14 11:01:00 - [11] Do RISE have any real claim to CR?. Any attachment to it other than been given it? If the answer is no, id say just talk to eachother, sort out some sort of defence thingy for both of u, and move out. You have enough space as it is, and all ur doing is driving a wedge between eachother and ur mutial allies. This war can only end in one way imo, one side gets completly cutoff from the powers that be in the north and they fall in to decay. War maybe fun, but friends and allies that stand by you are hard to come by. Originally by: John Moscroft Goons are a renewable resource. There are no recruitment problems.
Nalrath Tolahnia WAFFLES Inc. R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.14 13:42:00 - [12] Technically, some of RISE have a history with Cloud Ring long before it was even a twinkle in YouWhats eyes (or G's), anyone remember when NORAD had it under their control, ok so not many NORAD corps from those long forgotten days are now a part of RISE, but the ex-NORAD elements still enjoy remembering the glory days (and the hell that damnable region caused at times *-NM- vs TMM springs to mind). ok so thats very very very old history, and not overly relevant of sorts, it just sets a precedent (if YouWhat wants to mention G and before G etc). As for the various comments - i do wish RISE alliance members stuck to the unofficial 'keep it shut in eve-o corp and alliances section', but oh well, im also violating that rule as well. As for YouWhat - may the fights be nice, may the smack be few and far and may RISE win the day (ok so im a little biased ) As for Outbreak - altho i seem to spend exorbanant amounts of time on the RISE forums (admin duties are the worse time killing vampire in history), i have heard and seen (/me hugs his helios) nothing but good things, may the battles be grand, the smack non-exsistant, and the RISE losses not amazingly high (even if they are we still gunna fight ya). and and can we please not mention InnerDrive, its bad for my ulcer. Kind Regards.
Adelene	Posted - 2006.09.14 13:44:00 - [13] Edited by: Adelene on 14/09/2006 13:44:37
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia Technically, some of RISE have a history with Cloud Ring long before it was even a twinkle in YouWhats eyes (or G's), STV have been in CR long before NORAD was there, before the player owned stations were even a brainfart in some Dev's head, they were there before / or close to the time Arcadia came there and definately before NORAD was formed. They've fought m0o, they've fought Evolution, and **loads of other lackeys that have come and go through the 2p-4ls - XZH-4X collection of systems. So if you play the history game you ll find out you will lose. Pain is meant to be felt**
Kanae Minmatar Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Shalimar Fox Innerdrive's comment's remind's me of the incretable diplomatic skill's that OrcA has showed a while back in the south OrcA and his skilled diplomatic counterpart Shadow Mancer have moved up to TDE in the North we enjoy thier presence now (well on our kill boards). I am happy to report they are carrying on thier proud tradition of diplomacy and propaganda for smash/roadkill/rampage/etc on the assault on the outpost Ratel put up. sorry for the derail but that guy is a real piece of work
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.14 16:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Kanae I am happy to report they are carrying on thier proud tradition of diplomacy and propaganda for smash/roadkill/rampage/etc on the assault on the outpost Ratel put up. sorry for the derail but that guy is a real piece of work sooo that's where trigger and his guys went to.....hmmm interesting [Selpy start's to dialup Marko on his comm's ] Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
Sacul Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.14 17:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Selpy Originally by: Kanae I am happy to report they are carrying on thier proud tradition of diplomacy and propaganda for smash/roadkill/rampage/etc on the assault on the outpost Ratel put up. sorry for the derail but that guy is a real piece of work sooo that's where trigger and his guys went to.....hmmm interesting [Selpy start's to dialup Marko on his comm's ] poor selpy, allways the last to know....if u wanna meet USNCVN again, he is here aswell....hell even Mauna Kea suicides himself in TDE nowadays "Additionally I think the term 'game' in reference to EVE is a misnomer.. its more like an elaborate hobby." (Nez Perces)<<what i allways say but better.
Kujin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.14 22:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Shalimar Fox Innerdrive's comment's remind's me of the incretable diplomatic skill's that OrcA has showed a while back in the south OrcA still owes me beer for not telling eve-o a nice kil i had on him.... "Yump and Yam" for teh win
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.14 22:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Nalrath Tolahnia Technically, some of RISE have a history with Cloud Ring long before it was even a twinkle in YouWhats eyes (or G's), anyone remember when NORAD had it under their control, ok so not many NORAD corps from those long forgotten days are now a part of RISE, but the ex-NORAD elements still enjoy remembering the glory days (and the hell that damnable region caused at times *-NM- vs TMM springs to mind). It's all cool you know your own history. But its bad to lecture only based on your own history. STV and Cloud ring is about as old as it gets dude. Well not quite but close.
Cmd Woodlouse Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.14 22:59:00 - [20] XZH is planned again as sort of a npc-terror-regime lead by mr. "i use only capships-jurushy"? Some things never change -------------------------------- Even WOW is far better than EVE now. Please fix this broken Simcity-Pos-Game!
Kael Jorensen The New Empire R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.15 03:34:00 - [21] Originally by: WildCard Edited by: WildCard on 14/09/2006 08:07:48 First plz, donÆt cry here the whole day. ItÆs right STV was at XZH as STV, as G as D2 for about 2 + years. Ok After G disbanded we joind D2. Then leadership changed within D2 and it wasnÆt our game play anymore., cuz we donÆt want to play SimCity. Anyway. Ok, sov dropped by accident in XZH and goons appear. D2 was more or less forced by the forums to defend CR, what they realy did well with a ****load of pos. Well after that, and why some of their leaders like me that much, they gave CR to rise. And RISE has had no clue what they have got. So far so good. Within the first weeks we didnÆt plan to attack rise. Cuz we have had a friendly relationship to the old NORAD members over years. (I was the one within G which always order to help NORD in case they was in trouble, ok ok possible the main reason was that we have had someone to shoot.). Then I got more and more harsh words from RISE guys; mostly the german parts. And if such things happen I always hear that ugly voices in my head... I ordered out all Y from STV for a week to have a clean start. We announced then our plans in the forums and several times in XZH local. So you was able to set up your first bubble camp at XZH. Well may be you see me as backstabber û anyway, now it is as it is. Your right about one thing WildCard, The majority of RISE players have no idea what they have in Cloud Ring. The ones that do are the same ones you see day, after day, in XZH giving you a fight. I don't think all the RISE pilots view -Y- as backstabbers. We did have plenty of advanced notice as to what your intentions were. I think most pilots were suprised things got as far along as they did. Apparently the communication between parties was less then it should have been. I think some were even looking to D2 to step in and mediate some kind of solution. For whatever reason that did not happen. Many of us were left wondering why the relationship between our alliances that were sharing such close space was so distant. Especially since you had been such good allies in the past. Yes it is true, you guys could have, and didn't build up forces in the area (we know because we scanned everything you brought in). Yes a 24 hour warning period would have been nice, but again, we knew it was coming. I think, the thing that has created the most animosity is the allies you have chosen in this fight. Its understandable why you did. -Y- and TOXIN are both working toward a similar goal. So you ally with TOXIN whom we have been fighting in OR for some weeks now. Who strangly enough you had been fighting for time as well. Now its not that we have any paticular feelings one way or another toward the TOXIN pilots but the alliance with them has given you the numbers across timezones to be a real danger. Fair enough. I think what some of us really dislike is the fact that you have jumped in bed with the RISE traitor corps. Its those pilots RISE really has it out for. In the meantime, thanks for the good fights.
Jurushy SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.09.15 09:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse XZH is planned again as sort of a npc-terror-regime lead by mr. "i use only capships-jurushy"? Some things never change i know i am a noob whit big ships
PhannJodoxis Minmatar Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.15 13:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Kael Jorensen Apparently the communication between parties was less then it should have been. I think some were even looking to D2 to step in and mediate some kind of solution. For whatever reason that did not happen. ironic Seen that before.. it seems in a past life in Dek.
JackCo WAFFLES Inc. R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.15 17:11:00 - [24] Edited by: JackCo on 15/09/2006 17:12:53 WildCard/STV members, STV are no backstabbers, dishonest fighters or any other a such thing imo. We might debate on what you call is a "clean start", but if you say it was then am willing to accept this based on history. The first attack you guys did on us was ment to be an surprise attack imo. This can be concluded from the fact of how many pilots you fielded on that initial attack. I think i can safely say that if we had known 24 hours up front, that you where gonna set CR NBSI region and that all standings would be reset, we would have had the kinda numbers waiting in XZH so you at least would think twice about of giving that jump command. In war time this it how it works in the end. So for me on that field STV are a tiny tiny bit less of gentlemens, but gentlemens non the less. As for the harsh words, well you can't expect with the above said that RISE members will embrace a new hostility in allrdy hard times. I also don't want to state that those RISE members should have said what they have said, but try switching shoes and you would understand. Lets keep having nice and clean fights, Jack

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